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atakacs
11th Jun 2018, 16:44
Folks

I guess you all read this (https://airlinegeeks.com/2018/06/10/airbus-plans-to-merge-bombardier-c-series-program-by-july-1/) and the (understandable) desire to achieve as much commonality between the two aircrafts.

Anyone care to comment to what extent this can go ? Can we imagine an a317 and a retrofit of the currently delivered (I believe "only" 29 airframes to date) ?

BluSdUp
11th Jun 2018, 19:05
I have followed the C-Series with great interest .
After having seen Dornier go bankrupt making the 728,
I think the C.300 will sell as hot cakes and at a lower price as Airbus uses their suppliers and the unit price comes down.
Otherwise there is nothing right now that You want to do with it with regards to hardware. I can imagine there is some with regards to training , SOP and operating philosophy that can be tweeked towards Airbus.
But if it aint broke why fix it. Just start selling it!

atakacs
11th Jun 2018, 21:01
I think the C.300 will sell as hot cakes and at a lower operating philosophy that can be tweeked towards Airbus.
But if it aint broke why fix it. Just start selling it!
Well I for one would agree but it would seem the EADS has more aggressive plans towards commonality.
I guess we will eventually find out but while this pans out some speculation is in order :)

atakacs
26th Aug 2018, 04:00
Minor detail but it is now the A220.

I think the intent is pretty clear.

msbbarratt
26th Aug 2018, 17:50
The wise old crows over at Leeham News have suggested that Bombardier's FBW system is very good, benefiting from being decades newer than Airbus's. It would be a pity if "commonality" meant tossing that in the bin...

Indeed they should just get on and mass produce the C as is (as certified!).

Pugilistic Animus
26th Aug 2018, 19:07
Agreed, if it ain't broke don't fix it

SMT Member
26th Aug 2018, 20:03
The wise old crows over at Leeham News have suggested that Bombardier's FBW system is very good, benefiting from being decades newer than Airbus's. It would be a pity if "commonality" meant tossing that in the bin...

They could achieve commonality the opposite direction, by adopting the BBD FBW system on (future) Airbus models. How does the two cockpits stack up against each other, does the 20-year difference in age also yield a better result in that area? Visually the CS, nee A220, looks rather much like an A350 put in a photocopier and set to 40%. Maybe it'll also work at 60%, creating an A320/A321 replacement with BBD innards up front.

Perhaps too far of a stretch.

atakacs
26th Aug 2018, 21:19
The wise old crows over at Leeham News have suggested that Bombardier's FBW system is very good, benefiting from being decades newer than Airbus's. It would be a pity if "commonality" meant tossing that in the bin...

Any specifics? I think the AB FBW is well proven and seems to work reasonably well, except maybe when presented with bogus sensor reading. Not sure there is much to be done in those cases. In any case would be interred to read about the differences.

Pugilistic Animus
26th Aug 2018, 23:47
One thing I am surprised about is Jet Blue didn't also go to the C series but rather The Embraer Since C series and 320s both have C* controls

Denti
27th Aug 2018, 00:25
They could achieve commonality the opposite direction, by adopting the BBD FBW system on (future) Airbus models. How does the two cockpits stack up against each other, does the 20-year difference in age also yield a better result in that area? Visually the CS, nee A220, looks rather much like an A350 put in a photocopier and set to 40%. Maybe it'll also work at 60%, creating an A320/A321 replacement with BBD innards up front.

Perhaps too far of a stretch.

Well, airbus was actually developing the A320 NEO enhanced already with the A350 flightdeck (and probably improved aerodynamics, those are quite old as well). But have stopped doing so around 2 months ago. Might be an indicator that they think about something along those lines?

Quite honestly, switching from the 737NG to the A320 felt in many ways like stepping back in time, not in automation or ergonomics, but in avionic features. IAN, vertical situation display, bog-standard equipped with GLS, navigation performance scales and of course as many layers of information at the same time as one wants, simply not available on the A320, not to mention those tiny and badly lit screens are awful as well.