Drunk BA Cabin Crew

[krismiler]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6039628/british-airways-stewardess-51-necked-eight-shots-and-was-ten-times-the-legal-booze-limit-while-flying/

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6040607/ba-steward-jailed-drunk-for-a-flight/

[wiggy]

Nice headline, but would it be slightly churlish of me to point out that in one of the cases the act of being unfit for duty happened when the individual was working for Norwegian?

[FlyMD]

How did the passengers on BA notice that she was drunk? Did she suddendly become friendly and serve them with a smile?

[ironbutt57]

How did the passengers on BA notice that she was drunk? Did she suddendly become friendly and serve them with a smile?


hahahahahaha....excellent!! Pprune really does need a "like button"

[glad rag]

So where are the posts of sympathy and offers of rehabilitation then???

[M.Mouse]

In my career I met more than one BA cabin crew member with an alcohol problem. Equally I met more than one BA pilot with an alcohol problem.

I have no doubt there are others in other airlines.

I hope I speak for the majority when I say that a true alcoholic needs support and a degree of sympathy not outright condemnation.

I do not, of course, find it acceptable if someone attempts to fly either as CC or as a pilot while under the influence.

[FL370 Officeboy]

Usual accuracy from the Sun....BA doesn’t fly the 787 to Singapore

[ZFT]

In my career I met more than one BA cabin crew member with an alcohol problem. Equally I met more than one BA pilot with an alcohol problem.

I have no doubt there are others in other airlines.

I hope I speak for the majority when I say that a true alcoholic needs support and a degree of sympathy not outright condemnation.

I do not, of course, find it acceptable if someone attempts to fly either as CC or as a pilot while under the influence.

It's not just BA and equally it's not restricted to airlines.

Why posters have to gloat is somewhat disappointing.

The woman's life is in disarray and I hope someone is looking after her.

[Airclues]

Usual accuracy from the Sun....BA doesn’t fly the 787 to Singapore

And the photo is an A320 (the first aircraft photo).

[polax52]

Love it!! click on the: "The sun" link and you get a smirnoff vodka advert.

[parabellum]

One hopes that, given her 21 years of unblemished service to BA, they will be able to suspend her, probably without pay, and arrange rehabilitation for her so that she can be reactivated back to work at a later date, should she want to go back. It is her union's job to support and represent her.


As for the young lad in Norway, they have been doing random spot check breath tests on the ramp as far back as I can remember, not just departing crew but arriving crew from foreign airlines, he really should have known better.

[flash8]

She was arrested at Heathrow’s Terminal 5 after being reported by a passenger who smelled the booze on her breath.

Do gooders everywhere I am afraid.

One hopes that, given her 21 years of unblemished service to BA, they will be able to suspend her, probably without pay, and arrange rehabilitation for her so that she can be reactivated back to work at a later date, should she want to go back. It is her union's job to support and represent her.

Absolutely, every word agreed with.


As for the young lad in Norway, they have been doing random spot check breath tests on the ramp as far back as I can remember, not just departing crew but arriving crew from foreign airlines, he really should have known better.

Lad needs a good kick up the ass, lets hope he has learned from this.

[ex-EGLL]

Do gooders everywhere I am afraid.

Would you have the same opinion if your life depended on her actions during an emergency?

[Fliegenmong]

Would you have the same opinion if your life depended on her actions during an emergency?

Interesting question insofar as......

I'm asked to familiarise myself with exit options (I always do...call it SLF Pre Flight check if you like, when I'm not actually flying..)

Can I operate an exit row...yes....

I know why the the blinds are up for take off and landing...and I know what to look for....

essentially she and I would be on the same page...in an emergency my life depends on what I do...not on her OR HIS actions...but then again I educate myself...

:ok:

My only real problem is for all the 'Show' during certification....I'd really like to see a cabin full evacuate in 90 secs in real time....Ha!!

[sudden twang]

Would you have the same opinion if your life depended on her actions during an emergency?

Interesting question insofar as......

I'm asked to familiarise myself with exit options (I always do...call it SLF Pre Flight check if you like, when I'm not actually flying..)

Can I operate an exit row...yes....

I know why the the blinds are up for take off and landing...and I know what to look for....

essentially she and I would be on the same page...in an emergency my life depends on what I do...not on her OR HIS actions...but then again I educate myself...

:ok:

My only real problem is for all the 'Show' during certification....I'd really like to see a cabin full evacuate in 90 secs in real time....Ha!!
But you have to wait for her to open the exit than everyone between you and the exit to evacuate. Unless you are superman or always sit next to the exit a drunk crew member is a major issue.

[ONE GREEN AND HOPING]

.......Having listened to a couple or three tales of squished up Cattle-Class rides, albeit on US internals, I'm not sure it would make much difference in a rapid evacuation scenario if one or two cabin staff were gently trollied anyway. Disregarding the routine wind-up shock-horror witterings in the desperate Tabloids, and self needing to suffer long haul airline travel regularly on a tight personal budget squished into a tight personal space, I'll stick with BA. Once airborne everything always seems predictably calm, organised and disciplined. No over-long or copy-cat comedy P.A.s, no atmosphere of self empowered cabin police, and no hurry to whack off the lights and retreat to the galleys just because it's dark. Strictly a guess, but if a person has concerns about leaving in a hurry, surely best merely to choose an aisle seat, and know well your route to the nearest exit. Naturally, bearing in mind the needs of others, so without retrieving your shopping and random luggage of course.....Only ever did it once, and they allowed us back on later once the smoke had cleared to get our shoes.

[3Greens]

Would you have the same opinion if your life depended on her actions during an emergency?

Interesting question insofar as......

I'm asked to familiarise myself with exit options (I always do...call it SLF Pre Flight check if you like, when I'm not actually flying..)

Can I operate an exit row...yes....

I know why the the blinds are up for take off and landing...and I know what to look for....

essentially she and I would be on the same page...in an emergency my life depends on what I do...not on her OR HIS actions...but then again I educate myself...

:ok:

My only real problem is for all the 'Show' during certification....I'd really like to see a cabin full evacuate in 90 secs in real time....Ha!!

What if you were injured? One of the CC tasks is to sweep the cabin and ensure no one is left before evacuating themselves. Or would you be happy to be left behind because someone whom was inebriated forgot the drill?

[Heathrow Harry]

"As for the young lad in Norway, they have been doing random spot check breath tests on the ramp as far back as I can remember, not just departing crew but arriving crew from foreign airlines, he really should have known better."

they do them all the time and not just in airports - a favourite is road block in the morning to catch commuters who have over indulged the night before - in Norway you really should think about drinking if you plan to use ANY machinery for the next 48 hours...............

[KelvinD]

Hmmm. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the lady in this case, something puzzles me: Decent vodka, being basically ethanol, is tasteless and odourless, making it the drink of choice for alcoholics etc. So how did the passenger "smell it on her breath"?
Surely BA isn't serving moonshine now?
Incidentally, who is going to tell the Scum how simple it is to tell the difference between a 787 and an A380? Or how to take 10 minutes to discover the flight on that day was with G-XLEB?

[pilotmike]

Decent vodka, being basically ethanol, is tasteless and odourless, making it the drink of choice for alcoholics etc. So how did the passenger "smell it on her breath"?
Considering that the means of detecting intoxication is by measuring the %age of alcohol per volume of exhaled breath, it is easy to smell the alcohol on the breath of someone with such a high concentration - irrespective of any mixer or other flavourings / aromas the drink contained.

Anyone who can't smell such a high concentration of alcohol on someone else's breath either has a medical problem, or, is more than likely intoxicated themselves.

[3Greens]

Considering that the means of detecting intoxication is by measuring the %age of alcohol per volume of exhaled breath, it is easy to smell the alcohol on the breath of someone with such a high concentration - irrespective of any mixer or other flavourings / aromas the drink contained.u

Anyone who can't smell such a high concentration of alcohol on someone else's breath either has a medical problem, or, is more than likely intoxicated themselves.

Correct, it not the choice of drink one can smell on a drunk person but the enzymes involved as the body breaks it down. That’s why you reek of booze after a session; you don’t smelll of fine wines or imported beer do you? It all smells the same when it’s coming from the gut.

[axefurabz]

who is going to tell the Scum how simple it is to tell the difference between a 787 and an A380? Or how to take 10 minutes to discover the flight on that day was with G-XLEB? You really think these minor details are important? :ugh:

[A Squared]

Hmmm. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the lady in this case, something puzzles me: Decent vodka, being basically ethanol, is tasteless and odourless, making it the drink of choice for alcoholics etc. So how did the passenger "smell it on her breath"?

The idea that you can't smell vodka on the breath is one of those silly schoolyard myths. When you smell that someone's been drinking, you aren't smelling the flavor of the beverage that remains on the lining of their mouth. What you're smelling is the partially metabolized alcohol which is coming out of their bloodstream in their lungs and being exhaled. Doesn't matter whether it's vodka or tequila or whisky. Once you've got sufficient alcohol in your bloodstream, it comes out of your lungs with your breath. That's how a breathalyzer works.

[button push ignored]

I have never had a problem with any drunk female British Airways cabin crew.
I’ve had several of them, and they were great.

[sudden twang]

.......Having listened to a couple or three tales of squished up Cattle-Class rides, albeit on US internals, I'm not sure it would make much difference in a rapid evacuation scenario if one or two cabin staff were gently trollied anyway. Disregarding the routine wind-up shock-horror witterings in the desperate Tabloids, and self needing to suffer long haul airline travel regularly on a tight personal budget squished into a tight personal space, I'll stick with BA. Once airborne everything always seems predictably calm, organised and disciplined. No over-long or copy-cat comedy P.A.s, no atmosphere of self empowered cabin police, and no hurry to whack off the lights and retreat to the galleys just because it's dark. Strictly a guess, but if a person has concerns about leaving in a hurry, surely best merely to choose an aisle seat, and know well your route to the nearest exit. Naturally, bearing in mind the needs of others, so without retrieving your shopping and random luggage of course.....Only ever did it once, and they allowed us back on later once the smoke had cleared to get our shoes.
Not everyone can have an aisle seat and even then the exit maybe 10 rows away.
Recent events BA38 BA LAS EK DXB etc etc suggest well trained EFFECTIVE cabin crew save lives.
PBI tread carefully or you’ll become a victim of the 2000 club. I hear there’s an area at HQ for pregnant crew. The other workers call it “pilot error”.

[Sorry Dog]

My only real problem is for all the 'Show' during certification....I'd really like to see a cabin full evacuate in 90 secs in real time....Ha!!

With half the passengers taking their overhead with them too!

[underfire]

In my career I met more than one BA cabin crew member with an alcohol problem. Equally I met more than one BA pilot with an alcohol problem.

probably more likely to be an alcoholic than not, and not limited to BA.

[ZFT]

My only real problem is for all the 'Show' during certification....I'd really like to see a cabin full evacuate in 90 secs in real time....Ha!!

It's a certification standard, nothing more.

What would you suggest?

[MaximumPete]

I lost my partner to alcohol abuse a few years ago, my best friend and soul-mate.

If you do have a problem or know of someone with a problem with alcohol get help.It won't go away or get any better! it was the worst experience of my life.

MP

[eal401]

Ah, alleged drunk on duty. Outrageous when in charge of a vehicle (unless you are the half called Ant) - perfectly acceptable when in a position of responsibility on an aircraft.

[Fonsini]

BA cabin crew could use a drink or seven, they are the only crews I have encountered during world travel who make US flight attendants seem pleasant !

[Sir Niall Dementia]

I have never had a problem with any drunk female British Airways cabin crew.
I’ve had several of them, and they were great.

As a young FO I was often delighted by the behaviour of CC who’d had too much to drink👍

[Rwy in Sight]

British drunk females are really cool. I am eternally grateful to a couple of them.