Newquay

[rog747]

The BA LHR-NQY flights connect nicely with St Mary's on some days...Hope they get an agreement with ISC Skybus to interline the bags lol

[Asturias56]

According to Mr Calder (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/business-51418696?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5e4425f8dca6c8066956d50e%26BA%27s%20Newquay%20fl ights%20more%20expensive%20than%20flying%20to%20Hong%20Kong% 262020-02-12T16%3A30%3A17.149Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:9453ac7c-f3d2-4fba-b0ff-fc395f1c036c&pinned_post_asset_id=5e4425f8dca6c8066956d50e&pinned_post_type=share) who says "BA's Newquay flights are more expensive than flying to Hong Kong"

Tha'ts not news - a couple of years back a return LHR - ABZ was over £ 600 if you wanted any flexibility......... they charge whatever the market will bear

[GROUNDHOG]

According to Mr Calder (https://www.bbc.com/news/live/business-51418696?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5e4425f8dca6c8066956d50e%26BA%27s%20Newquay%20fl ights%20more%20expensive%20than%20flying%20to%20Hong%20Kong% 262020-02-12T16%3A30%3A17.149Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:9453ac7c-f3d2-4fba-b0ff-fc395f1c036c&pinned_post_asset_id=5e4425f8dca6c8066956d50e&pinned_post_type=share) who says "BA's Newquay flights are more expensive than flying to Hong Kong"

Tha'ts not news - a couple of years back a return LHR - ABZ was over £ 600 if you wanted any flexibility......... they charge whatever the market will bear

No it is not news it is what Donald would call fake news. As I have posted above, check the same dates yourself and the fare is £130. This kind of journalism annoys me intensely.

[Aero Mad]

I'm afraid that it's not fake news. When BA released the flights yesterday, for several hours they were only available at £320 each way. The schedule then disappeared again and has now been uploaded with lower fares available.

[GROUNDHOG]

I'm afraid that it's not fake news. When BA released the flights yesterday, for several hours they were only available at £320 each way. The schedule then disappeared again and has now been uploaded with lower fares available.
Oh good so Simon will now put out a release saying BA have reduced the fares... If not his article is simply incorrect or at least incomplete.
Somehow I don't see that happening do you.

[Wycombe]

Oh good so Simon will now put out a release saying BA have reduced the fares... If not his article is simply incorrect or at least incomplete.
Somehow I don't see that happening do you.

Nope, it was purely an attention grabber (for those that didn't realise that my notification yesterday was a tad tongue-in-cheek!)

A BA link from LHR to NQY is of course good news, no matter how brief and irregular the schedule is.

[TartinTon]

When a BA schedule goes live it initially defaults to the highest fare until their Revenue Management system kicks in and optimises the distribution of fares. This is in common with quite a few airlines.

[VickersVicount]

So what are the betting odds on another one hit wonder short season?

[ajamieson]

Absolutely. As it is, it's barely 50 flights in total across the summer peak, at fairly eccentric times. It will be of extremely very limited use for regional connectivity at the NQY end. It will also have the effect of lowering yield on the PSO route, thus presumably increasing the taxpayer liability on that.

It also means that, for a few days this year, NQY will have hub connections to LHR, LGW, DUB, MAN and AMS. Strange world!

[Wycombe]

It also means that, for a few days this year, NQY will have hub connections to LHR, LGW, DUB, MAN and AMS. Strange world!

Not forgetting CPH, EDI, GLA and DUS! (accepting that "hub" may be stretching things for a few of those)

[cornishsimon]

im curious how having BA on LHR is going to screw up the flybe PSO London route when they themselves are operating a daily SEN on top of the LGWx4 daily

This has been on the cards for a while

I suspect this is just IAGs way of dipping a toe, they can already to an extent see connectivity demand thanks to EI so if they will the flights at decent yield im sure it will return for longer next season, it also wouldn't surprise me to see a limited LCY from them


cs

[Asturias56]

"So what are the betting odds on another one hit wonder short season?"

pray the railway line at Dawlish is washed away again in one of these storms...................

[rog747]

"So what are the betting odds on another one hit wonder short season?"

pray the railway line at Dawlish is washed away again in one of these storms...................

The rail line was washed away 6 years ago today.....cutting off Plymouth and Cornwall for months

Today we have Storm Dennis :yuk:

[VickersVicount]

it also wouldn't surprise me to see a limited LCY from them
I would surprise me.

[cornishsimon]

I would surprise me.


more or less surprised than them launching This limited lhr service. ?

cs

[Asturias56]

Politics............................ "connecting the regions" - and maybe they'll be able to tap a FLYBE subsidy if they're lucky

[VickersVicount]

more or less surprised than them launching This limited lhr service. ?

cs
I would be even more surprised

[cornishsimon]

I would be even more surprised


well let’s watch and wait

I think there’s definitely scope for a cheeky Thursday, Friday, Monday summer service if well timed.


cs

[bravoromeosierra]

well let’s watch and wait

I think there’s definitely scope for a cheeky Thursday, Friday, Monday summer service if well timed.


cs

Think it would be better for NQY if they focused on maturing the LHR route in the hope of a better (or all round) flying season.

[davidjohnson6]

Airport closed

[EGTE]

.....but the aerodrome is still open.

[cornishsimon]

.....but the aerodrome is still open.



correct.

the terminal is closed. The field is open for business and I suspect will soon get a great deal of storage movements


cs

[BAeuro]

I know Covid-19 has put an end to many plans, but does anyone know what’s going to happen to the London to Newquay PSO? Will BA up their new route and try it out, or is this another one for Loganair?

[cornishsimon]

My current thinking is that this is probably BAs to loose

They are going to have aircraft, crews and slots that need using and if they can use them to newquay while the economy recovers and the demand for air travel recovers all the better, especially if it’s underwritten via a pso ?


cs

[bean]

CS It's not going to happen. The world has changed for good. Home working will continue even if the viris is eradicated and with the low levels of people currently testing positive for antinodies, it could continue for years.
BA will be looking to shed capacity not use it. Expect to see a much slimmer airline with consequent redundancies amongst staff and equipment. The world is already in DEEP recession

[Cloud1]

CS It's not going to happen. The world has changed for good. Home working will continue even if the viris is eradicated and with the low levels of people currently testing positive for antinodies, it could continue for years.
BA will be looking to shed capacity not use it. Expect to see a much slimmer airline with consequent redundancies amongst staff and equipment. The world is already in DEEP recession

Another cheery post. Whilst some or all of this may be true I’m not sure I would agree that the world has changed for good thus meaning everything that we did know a couple months back will not now be required in the future.

From my perspective CS the answer is we don’t know. I do believe there will be a need for regional travel and connectivity but what that looks like, we will only know once markets and industries stabilise. Timescales will, in my view, depend largely on the antibody testing and vaccine availability as they are the only options currently on the table which would, again in my view, give customers confidence to go back to smaller confined spaces. The nonsense around keeping a middle seat free on aircraft doesn’t cut it.

Government response to any recession will be interesting too. They will want people to be spending in to the economy so staycations could very well work in Cornwalls favour for what is left of this summer and next. Fuel has typically been one of the larger costs to aviation but that’s at an all time low now, plus some restructuring to a market which could naturally thin out anyway (we don’t know which airlines will last the next 12 months).

From my perspective the question sits more around long haul. The likes of BA have a lot of aircraft with cabins which they may struggle to fill (First, Club) some of them with significant volumes of those premium seats which come at premium costs. Difficulties in selling those will push the cost of economy seats up. If the government still sees regional PSO routes a need, then BA may well benefit from operating those or expanding the CityFlyer portfolio to cover more regional flying.

[Asturias56]

" so staycations could very well work in Cornwalls favour for what is left of this summer and next. "

I think a few people might remember the non-friendly attitude of some Cornish people to outsiders during this shut-down................

[Willo 3D]

" so staycations could very well work in Cornwalls favour for what is left of this summer and next. "

I think a few people might remember the non-friendly attitude of some Cornish people to outsiders during this shut-down................

that was largely self inflicted by people going to second homes unnecessarily.

Either way, I’m not sure there will be demand for A319 2 or 3 times a day between NQY and London. Maybe as mentioned above could be good suit for BACF.

[BirdmanBerry]

CS It's not going to happen. The world has changed for good. Home working will continue even if the viris is eradicated and with the low levels of people currently testing positive for antinodies, it could continue for years.
BA will be looking to shed capacity not use it. Expect to see a much slimmer airline with consequent redundancies amongst staff and equipment. The world is already in DEEP recession

I don't think home working will continue, it's never as good as having a team together in an office. Plus add the fact the technology has been available for years but has never been used as much as it could've. Long distance meetings may change for sure.

[Curious Pax]

" so staycations could very well work in Cornwalls favour for what is left of this summer and next. "

I think a few people might remember the non-friendly attitude of some Cornish people to outsiders during this shut-down................

You might want to look at the p1ss poor medical facilities available in Cornwall for the locals, let alone any extra numbers visitors would bring before shooting your mouth off.

[esscee]

Maybe some of the affluent 2nd/3rd home owners ought to be legally forced to provide extra funding for the local facilities as part of their purchase, just a thought?

[GROUNDHOG]

" so staycations could very well work in Cornwalls favour for what is left of this summer and next. "

I think a few people might remember the non-friendly attitude of some Cornish people to outsiders during this shut-down................

Can only assume you refer to the request to stay away and not visit second homes, or, fourth homes in Cornwall if you are a famous chef and doing it anyway. It is not a matter of being unfriendly it is a matter of the minority as ever being stupid in their behaviour. Last night Devon and Cornwall police arrested two people who had travelled from Kent for a "short break" and slept in their car in Falmouth, Crazy behaviour, driver had no insurance and no licence, car was seized. Point is everyone is welcome but right now we could not possibly offer the facility to look after additional visitors, the one main hospital here is already stretched to its limits. Once this is all over please come back in your droves, most of the population here rely on tourism and right now everyone is suffering badly as business is dead.

With regard to visitors in "normal" times whatever they will be, I am not so sure their will be a greater percentage fly here for a break, the vast majority will still drive, so air traffic may not be not be that different, but who knows what will happen! Although personally a link to Heathrow is better for me I have also felt Gatwick is far more beneficial because of the extra driving time. What would be good though is greater frequency with smaller units, how about an airline, you could call it air southwest or something like that.

Predictions at this stage are impossible with any accuracy!

[Wycombe]

I don't think home working will continue, it's never as good as having a team together in an office.

Whilst I will concede that it is does depend what type of business you're referring to, in general that is an outdated view, and the current situation and how we adjust to the "new normal" afterwards will prove it as such.

[TartinTon]

Maybe some of the affluent 2nd/3rd home owners ought to be legally forced to provide extra funding for the local facilities as part of their purchase, just a thought?

What's the rules on council tax? Do they pay a reduced rate or nothing at all? I know when I've rented part-week as part of working around the country I've ended up paying 2 x council tax.

[LGS6753]

AFAIK Second home owners pay full Council Tax, just like local residents.

[TartinTon]

So the "locals" are quite happy for the 2nd home owners to subsidise their local services but only when it suits them? The people buying second "holiday" homes, a lot of them will have bought with a view to retiring there in due course.
A bit of neck winding-in sounds in order.

[inOban]

And it's all these elderly retirees who are the drain on the Council as they become frail and need social care. (And I'm 75)

[rog747]

Back on track with a Newquay thread -
The Southwest is in a more positive position for any new-normal connectivity to start flights again, and including the PSO, also possibly
seek to receive more Govt Aid in due course.

BA is the only airline at the moment to be able to restart the London route when it is able to do so.
If SD measures are needed on an aircraft then a A319 is big enough to still carry a decent pax load (and freight maybe>?)

LHR is not the only route that NQY needs, but MAN and EDI are all prime connections, plus likely Glasgow & Belfast too.

The GWR Night Sleeper train service (which is part Govt funded) has been suspended but it will start up again once a new-normal is defined.
In fact SD has a solution on that mode of travel as the twin berth sleeper cabins can all be made single/solo berth.

Rail Travel from the far Southwest had a reasonable service with brand new GWR trains, but a journey from anywhere west of Plymouth, and you were looking at a 4 to 5 hour scenic train journey to Paddington - Half a day...

National Express coaches are all suspended at the moment, UFN.

[Cloud1]

" so staycations could very well work in Cornwalls favour for what is left of this summer and next. "

I think a few people might remember the non-friendly attitude of some Cornish people to outsiders during this shut-down................

hmm fortunately most people don’t, I believe, view it in the way you do. Those people are following the rules so not getting themselves caught up with being asked to p**s off from the Southwest when they are not meant to be out travelling anyway. People will likely be going for the most affordable means of a holiday or break away from home where they have been cooped up for weeks. Depending where in the U.K. you live flying could still be affordable.

[Asturias56]

Some of the language has been inflammatory and people have been abused in the streets etc - Cornwall needs every friend it can get - now the UK is out of the EU all that EU money that's been spent down there will disappear pretty fast..........

[rog747]

Some of the language has been inflammatory and people have been abused in the streets etc - Cornwall needs every friend it can get - now the UK is out of the EU all that EU money that's been spent down there will disappear pretty fast..........

All UK County's that have a large leisure industry have all put up ''do not come here'' signs, and local and HM Govt's fully endorse this -

Cornwall is not the exception, it and others will be fine once we can all reopen to a new normal - - and it is taken as noted by most sensible folk here in the UK that we will have have to wait until our favourite holiday places can reopen for business. I am in Dorset, so whilst we do not want any day trippers or 2nd homers coming here for now we do know folk will return.

[478152]

Some of the language has been inflammatory and people have been abused in the streets etc - Cornwall needs every friend it can get - now the UK is out of the EU all that EU money that's been spent down there will disappear pretty fast..........

Completely agree. I live in Cornwall, and whilst a bit of second home bashing banter is always good sport for the locals, recently it has gone way too far. Cornwall absolutely needs every possible friend it can get, and the way some absolutely ignorant people have been behaving and spouting off lately leaves me worried for the state of humanity. Two examples, one extreme and one not so.
1) two seperate people who are Cornish locals, who have jobs etc but cannot afford house / flat etc, live in Motorhomes, and have done so for last two years or so. They have recently received death threats and threats of arson against their vehicles. Thankfully story made local press and Police have taken in their defence which seems to have stopped the actions of the ignorant.
2) Gordon Ramsey. Granted your either love him or hate him, but he was berated by locals and the press for a 25 mile bike ride the other day. Oh wow. I did the same to, as it seems are loads of others I know going by what they post on Strava etc, and all who are Cornish locals, any locals bashing them? Nope.
I'm afraid it examples like the above that make me ashamed to be Cornish at times, there are a lot of people down here who need to get a grip of reality and have words with themselves if they want Cornwall to do well on the otherwise of Covid-19.

[BAeuro]

I’m hearing that EI have dropped their Newquay to Dublin service. Another blow for the airport sadly.

[cornishsimon]

Dropped as in never to return rather than the current suspension ?


cs

[BA318]

My understanding was that it’s Cork-Newquay that’s been permanently dropped. Aer Lingus have also dropped the Cityjet deal and will end LCY.

[cornishsimon]

Yeh I would be surprised to see dub end. My understanding is that it carries lots of connections, obviously not currently but when things pick up again it’ll be the only one stop connection to the US jntkl
a pso to London happens.


cs

[BAeuro]

Ah yes I’ve just seen it’s ORK-NQY which is ending. Apologies.

Also, Eurowings have dropped Stuttgart to Newquay.

[cornishsimon]

I’m not actually concerned.

These are one or few times a week peak season seasonal routes. They will return when demand returns but April/May-aug/sept isn’t going to be any point running this year

next year will be different I hope


cs

[compton3bravo]

I admire your optimism cornishman.

[Wycombe]

FR24 showing the "NHS" ex-Virgin A346 9H-EAL arriving a few minutes ago, followed by an Alitalia A321 I-BIXR.

The 321 is aged 23 apparently so perhaps arriving to meet the cutters torch?

[cornishsimon]

The 340 seems to of positioned straight to CWL


cs

[sealo0]

seems as if they did not like Wales have left.

[Martin the Martian]

He's been bouncing back and forth between Cardiff and Newquay all day.

[yeo valley]

crew training.

[cornishsimon]

https://cornishstuff.com/2020/05/18/cornwall-airport-newquay-sets-reopening-date/



airfield due to reopen to passenger flights from 1st July.


cs

[BA318]

Some mildly good news at least:

https://twitter.com/seanm1997/status/1263055411252465664?s=21

[AirportPlanner1]

Is that good news? I mean, it’s better than nothing, but would a double daily not have been better for Cornwall even if it was to another airport? I’m sure Eastern and Logan to name two would have bitten the Government’s arm off right now for the chance. And how was this tendered?

[GROUNDHOG]

Setting London aside the good news with a couple of those routes is they wont have to worry about social distancing on board if they start in June..

[SWBKCB]

Is that good news? I mean, it’s better than nothing, but would a double daily not have been better for Cornwall even if it was to another airport? I’m sure Eastern and Logan to name two would have bitten the Government’s arm off right now for the chance. And how was this tendered?

Would the PSO be generous enough to support the cost of a new base?

[EI-BUD]

Some mildly good news at least:

https://twitter.com/seanm1997/status/1263055411252465664?s=21
This is great news in the current climate and great for Cornwall to have the British Airways brand coming year round. Things will pick up and a chance I'm sure to double up on certain days.

​​​​​​

[cornishsimon]

Well I’m happy to admit I didn’t see this coming !

newquay to Teeside starts early July with eastern. Starting x2 weekly increasing to x3

Nqy have a short memory with eastern !


cs

[cornishsimon]

Wow. Dummy booking says it’s a J41 !!


cs

[Asturias56]

Is Cornwall keen on visitors again - they were bloody unfriendly 3 months ago...............

[LBIA]

Looks like Eastern Airways now taking on the ex flybe route from Newquay - Leeds/Bradford. Flights have just gone on sale commencing from July 9th 2020 operating 5x weekly MON-FRI using BAe Jetstream 41.

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/1268957391690891268?s=20

[cornishsimon]

Finding a use for the J41 !

glad the route is back but shocked via J41 in all honesty. That route was always well utilized when flown on the dash


cs

[cornishsimon]

I’m a bit confused by this announcement.

LBA-NQY was subsidized under flybe wasn’t it ? European regional route fund or something ?

Had that already terminated when flybe went bust or is this a resumption of this and likely to be year round not seasonal ?

equally. Where’s the aircraft coming from ? Is this downtime from the LBA-SOU route or could it spell more expansion at LBA ?


cs

[GayFriendly]

Good news.....until they reveal the fares....Eastern are not renowned for low fares which will probably put a lot of prospective pax off.

[virginblue]

Well, if they can attract the least price sensitive 30 per cent passengers who flew on a BE Q400 in the past, they will have an almost full Jetstream 41.

[SWBKCB]

Good news.....until they reveal the fares....Eastern are not renowned for low fares which will probably put a lot of prospective pax off.

Prices for the first couple of weeks start at about £160 return (waits for gasps of shock and horror....:eek:)

[BKS Air Transport]

Even under normal circumstances train fares are rarely cheap Leeds - Newquay.

A quick check for early July shows £160 return to be a positive bargain, and as viginblue says, they don't need many takers to fill a J41.

[cornishsimon]

Even under normal circumstances train fares are rarely cheap Leeds - Newquay.

A quick check for early July shows £160 return to be a positive bargain, and as viginblue says, they don't need many takers to fill a J41.



160 return including a bag is decent.

trains are long and expensive.

last year I needed to fly back on a day BE weren’t flying and found it half the price of the train to fly LBA-DUB-NQY and I found myself sat at home with my kids four hours earlier than had I taken the train


cs

[Asturias56]

problem will be reliability TBH

[Cloud1]

NQY airport LinkedIn page reporting Eastern doing NQY-Teeside. Is that in addition to LBA?

[SWBKCB]

Yes - see post 311 above.

[highwideandugly]

Wonder which will be the bigger problem..aircraft serviceability,operational status of airline,COVID-19 restrictions...or a general lack of passengers?

Whichever..a route now fraught with danger I suspect? Worryingly..it won’t be the only one.☹️

[SeanM1997]

NQY airport LinkedIn page reporting Eastern doing NQY-Teeside. Is that in addition to LBA? Teesside - Newquay - 2x weekly - 6 July - 18 September
Leeds/Bradford - Newquay - 5x weekly - 9 July - 18 September

More @SeanM1997 on twitter

[Atlantic Explorer]

160 return including a bag is decent.

trains are long and expensive.

last year I needed to fly back on a day BE weren’t flying and found it half the price of the train to fly LBA-DUB-NQY and I found myself sat at home with my kids four hours earlier than had I taken the train


cs

My bold.

That was one of the main issues of BE and one of the reasons they couldn’t make money. It’s simply not sustainable to be charging low fares on these domestic routes if they’ve any chance of survival, however, charge too much and you also kill the route. It’s a fine line.

[AirportPlanner1]

My bold.

That was one of the main issues of BE and one of the reasons they couldn’t make money.

That route would have been Aer Lingus, no? Or a self-connect via Ryanair.

[cornishsimon]

That route would have been Aer Lingus, no? Or a self-connect via Ryanair.


correct. Corporate TA booked EI LBA-DUB-NQY. Total flight time less than four hours and half the price of the train and half the time


the flights weren’t cheap but the train was stupidly expensive and long


cs

[GayFriendly]

£160 return is a very decent fare for LBA-NQY, no gasps of shock or horror from me! I was thinking this would be the figure one way going on prices I have paid with Eastern in the past on other routes. I'm sure at these levels they will do well given that the train takes just over an hour to reach Par and the main line by which time you'd nearly be landing in Leeds!

[GROUNDHOG]

Is Cornwall keen on visitors again - they were bloody unfriendly 3 months ago...............

No not bloody unfriendly simply being practical.
We would love to see tourists back, businesses here are going under daily because of this outbreak, you have to be practical though. Everything is shut, pubs, restaurants, entertainment, toilets, car parks, rubbish bin collection so when droves of people arrive to enjoy the beaches the inevitable happens, garbage everywhere, cars blocking vital access roads and even people cr*pping and dumping soiled nappies etc in areas where children will be playing. We cannot live with that, if everyone acted responsibly it would be different.
So sorry Asturias we are NOT being unfriendly and are hoping to be open for business again soon.

[toon22]

No not bloody unfriendly simply being practical.
We would love to see tourists back, businesses here are going under daily because of this outbreak, you have to be practical though. Everything is shut, pubs, restaurants, entertainment, toilets, car parks, rubbish bin collection so when droves of people arrive to enjoy the beaches the inevitable happens, garbage everywhere, cars blocking vital access roads and even people cr*pping and dumping soiled nappies etc in areas where children will be playing. We cannot live with that, if everyone acted responsibly it would be different.
So sorry Asturias we are NOT being unfriendly and are hoping to be open for business again soon.
Might I suggest that some of the antisocial behaviour you refer to might just be committed by Cornish people? Apart from a very few second home owners, there are small numbers of visitors to Cornwall and posts like this only reinforce the perception that no welcome awaits people when they choose to come back. Like it or not, Cornwall has developed a reputation for being the least friendly part of the UK during this crisis and I for one believe it will take quite some time for memories to fade. Sorry.

[BACsuperVC10]

My mum used Flybe LPL-NQY service to visit friends in Cambourne which was ideal for her. Looks like it will be the train next time she plans to go until the air route is taken up again.

[Cloud1]

This business of Cornwall being unfriendly simply because they said they didn’t want people visiting during the pandemic is nonsense. If we look at those who drove down to the Southwest, Police were regularly stopping cars and issuing fines. If overly sensitive people are offended that the county basically told people to p**s off whilst the country was on lockdown then that’s tough.

Despite the noise, additional pollution, waste, pockets of unsocial behaviour, additional traffic and occasional disregard for the environment the people of the Southwest typically understand the economic benefit that tourism brings and are generally welcoming. More so than I would probably be.

[Asturias56]

"Despite the noise, additional pollution, waste, pockets of unsocial behaviour, additional traffic and occasional disregard for the environment the people of the Southwest typically understand the economic benefit that tourism brings "

Its a good job because there's nothing else there to bring in any cash - and with the EU money disappearing................... it'll be back to the '50's and '60's everyone young leaves and heads for the bright lights and the population gets older, poorer and sicker

[inOban]

I thought that the young still had to leave because the low wages in the hospitality sector coupled with the high house prices generated by the 'escape to the country/seaside' brigade made living in the SW unaffordable.

[Asturias56]

Well locals complain in places like Newquay but who sells the houses to the incomers in the first place???

Look at penryhn since the Uni moved there - woken from a sleep of a thousands years as everyone sells up

[cornishsimon]

Pen where 😂


cs

[cornishsimon]

Some good news.

BA have uploaded schedules for a year round once daily service to heathrow.

fingers crossed that the frequency can be improved upon as and when things start to pick up


cs

[Asturias56]

I hear the ferries are running in the Fal starting tomorrow as well - much more useful!

[Kiltrash]

We are on holiday in St Ives at the end of August. I see the Newquay Heritage Centre is currently closed. Anyone in the know have they any plans to re open in time.?
last there 5 years ago and thoroughly enjoyed, with well behaved dog on lead, and the chap at the VC 10 looked after pooch while I had a good nose round....

[highwideandugly]

A joke..right?

Tie the dog outside

[Kiltrash]

Nope very friendly volunteer, same with the Harrier man, looked after woofer while I slipped my fit slim body into the cockpit....

[highwideandugly]

Bloody COVID eh! Messes everything up!

[Whispering Giant]

The Cornwall Aviation Heritage museum opens again from Sunday the 5th July.

best regards

W.G

[toon22]

[QUOTE=SeanM1997.;10803899]Teesside - Newquay - 2x weekly - 6 July - 18 September
Leeds/Bradford - Newquay - 5x weekly - 9 July - 18

Both Leeds/Bradford and Teesside now operating year round. Frequencies as now.With BA to Heathrow plus (hopefully) E I to Dublin this winter that leaves Manchester as the biggest gap in the network.

[SeanM1997]

Loganair launching Edinburgh-Newquay from 28 March 2021 - initally 4x weekly flights before increasing to 5x weekly flights from 22 May 2021
https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/1303335792052441088

Loganair launching Aberdeen-Newcastle-Newquay from 29 March 2021 - initially 2x weekly flights before increasing to 3x weekly flights from 30 June 2021. Saturday and Sunday rotations NCL-NQY-NCL will be added (no ABZ tag) from 22 May 2021
https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/1303314753566240769

Loganair launching Glasgow-Newquay from 30 March 2021 - 3x weekly flights
https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/1303314729893584896

[Wycombe]

Looks like todays Eastern flights from MME and LBA firstly got consolidated onto an MME-originating Saab, then diverted to EXT :rolleyes:

[toon22]

The August CAA stats show LHR NQY 4550 vs LHR NCL 4147 pax.Not good news, but less bad.603 pax to Teesside, busier than all Eastern’s routes from there.

[Wycombe]

I think LHR-NQY operated 5 weekly in August, so approx 20 round trips. That makes approx 225 pax per round trip, or an average of >100 on each sector. Doesn't seem too bad to me in the current climate?

I was in west Cornwall for the first 2 weeks of August and it was very busy. Notably fewer Germans than usual though!

[SeanM1997]

Loganair to launch a daily flight between Manchester and Newquay from 28 March 2021

[SeanM1997]

And just 2 hours later, Eastern Airways announce they are launching 4x weekly flights between Newquay and Manchester starting 23 October 2020

[Cloud1]

A bit of a shame that there couldn’t have been some collaboration to enable a day return across the two operators.

[GayFriendly]

Great news for NQY and not unexpected given the popularity of the BE route to MAN. Agree with previous post, it's a shame day trip opportunities are not available but perhaps that will come?

BHX must now be the only UK regional airport not to be re-connected back to NQY following the demise of BE? I know it was summer only but surely an ideal fit for Loganair? Loads were usually pretty good and it's at very best with zero traffic jams a 4 hour drive.....come on Loganair!

[Albert Hall]

A bit of a shame that there couldn’t have been some collaboration to enable a day return across the two operators

I thought they hated each other with a passion? Surely the prospect of co-operation is too much!

The score is about 6-1 in Loganair's favour in this grudge match (the only goal Eastern scored was Loganair off MME-ABZ) and so this isn't shaping up to be some Conference League-side upset in the FA Cup.

[SeanM1997]

The former Flybe routes which have been picked up:
Edinburgh - Loganair - 5x weekly
Glasgow - Loganair - 3x weekly
London Heathrow - British Airways - 7x weekly (temporary PSO until March)
Manchester - Loganair - 7x weekly
Manchester - Eastern Airways - 4x weekly
Newcastle - Loganair - 5x weekly (3x weekly extend to Aberdeen)

Flybe routes still unserved (with 2019 passenger numbers)
Birmingham - 20,882
London Southend - 15,721
Doncaster/Sheffield - 6,737
Belfast City - 3,442
Liverpool - 2,873

Compared to now served routes: London Heathrow (141,230), Manchester (81,762), Leeds/Bradford (17,672), Edinburgh (4,002), Glasgow (3,823), Newcastle (2,000), Aberdeen (631)

[gkmeech]

A bit of a shame that there couldn’t have been some collaboration to enable a day return across the two operators.
Think you missed something, Eastern start on Winter schedule, Loganair next summer. Eastern may change timings by rhen

[flyerguy]

A bit of a shame that there couldn’t have been some collaboration to enable a day return across the two operators.

At the end of the day their competitors... if you look at their new routes they go into direct competition with one another rather than ‘helping eachother out’

[Cloud1]

At the end of the day their competitors... if you look at their new routes they go into direct competition with one another rather than ‘helping eachother out’

Yes thank you very much, I am aware they are competitors. But, I wondered if there had been any discussion by the airport to suggest alternative timings. I assume NQY is not a coordinated airfield in terms of slots.

Of more value in terms of response to my post was that from gjmeech pointing out to me that the two airlines were starting their routes in different seasons. Let’s hope when we get to S21 and potentially see some business traffic pick up that there will be the option for a day return.

[SealinkBF]

I don't think that is allowed (officially). We can't even get two local bus companies to talk to avoid missed connections due to competition laws.

[478152]

At a rough guess do the LHR flights that are covered by the PSO get the first consideration time wise, and then everything else? Or is it purely capacity and desire of the airlines?

Would terminal capacity and personnel to service these flights be an issue at NQY, especially if multiple flights are in the ground together, Skybus excluded.

Of interest there was an article in the local press yesterday whereby Cornwall Air Ambulance were saying they are losing lifesaving time with air traffic delays due to other helicopter activities at the airfield.

[ETOPS]

Just spotted this advert for a job at NQY...

https://uk.linkedin.com/jobs/view/spaceport-cornwall-operations-manager-at-cornwall-airport-newquay-2151157506?refId=d6ebae80-7475-434b-9169-242c1bbaa11a&position=12&pageNum=0&trk=public_jobs_job-result-card_result-card_full-click


Cool if one of us could get this..............

[Wycombe]

Logan EMB145 noted departing to EDI at about 7.40 this morning, presumably a charter or training and not an early start of scheduled services!

[Wycombe]

2 BA Airbii on the ground at NQY this morning - did last nights go u/s? (one on it's way back to LHR now on a BAW9xxx flight no.)

[TOM100]

From The BA Source -Oct 2, 2020

British Airways A319 G-EUPY (http://www.thebasource.com/g-eupy.html) operated BA1350 London Heathrow – Newquay this evening, however the return BA1351 was cancelled due to a technical issue.

[cornishsimon]

Last nights tech positioned to lhr this morning.

todays shuttle flight was upgraded to A320

[Wycombe]

Aye, indeed. Also noticed yesterday was an Airbus (test reg) A350-900 that paid what I think was a brief visit.

[ATNotts]

I think "shuttle" is over-egging the pudding somewhat!!

[Cloud1]

Now this did make me laugh

[Wycombe]

I think "shuttle" is over-egging the pudding somewhat!!

They operate with "Shuttle" callsign and "SHT" flight no. as they are BA UK domestic flights.

[ATNotts]

They operate with "Shuttle" callsign and "SHT" flight no. as they are BA UK domestic flights.

I didn't realise that; I actually thought that "Shuttle" was nothing more than a marketing brand used for the LHR-GLA/EDI/ MAN and BFS service going back yonks.

[esscee]

I wondered if someone was having a bit of a laugh using "SHT" as a call sign, a bright spark commented "they have left out the I".

[cornishsimon]

Yep as mentioned up thread. All BA mainline domestic flying operate using SHT flight prefix

[Martin the Martian]

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/struggling-cornwall-airport-newquay-not-4623481

Cue the usual rent-a-mob howling in the comments section.

[cornishsimon]

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/struggling-cornwall-airport-newquay-not-4623481

Cue the usual rent-a-mob howling in the comments section.


not exactly a huge shock is it. First flybe. Then Covid.

shock horror airport isn’t making money

in all honesty Nqy should have a decent future

[southside bobby]

Perhaps look the other way then & the problem will go away...or not!.

Possibly down to the good taxpayers of Cornwall to put their money where their words are then.

[Asturias56]

Hardly a rent-a-mob...................Cornwall Council's head of finance has said that Cornwall Airport Newquay is not currently viable as it looks at how to address its current financial crisis. The airport has seen a dramatic drop in income this year due to the double hit of the collapse of regional airline FlyBe and the coronavirus pandemic. And on Tuesday (October 20) Cornwall councillors heard from the authority's top finance officer, who said that it was "not a viable company".

The admission came at a meeting of the council's customer and support services overview and scrutiny committee today. It follows councillor Stephen Rushworth asking what the situation was with the airport and whether the council would have to provide financial support to keep it open. He said that the airport was important for Cornwall and that there was concern about its future.

Tracie Langley, the council's chief operating officer, said that the council was asking the Government to provide financial support to help the airport but said that, to date, the Government had only offered to provide a loan. Ms Langley said: "Cornwall Airport Limited is not a viable company at the moment." She said that while the Government offered a loan that was not what was wanted by the council and said that the council had its own ability to secure a loan if necessary. However she said that as the airport itself was not currently viable it would not be able to secure a loan itself.

Last month the council's Cabinet agreed that it would use £5.6million of £10.2m of funding which has been earmarked for Spaceport Cornwall to bail out the airport (https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/local-news/council-could-cut-spaceport-funding-4502096) if it was unable to secure funding from the Government.

Ms Langley told the committee: "If our Cabinet believe that they want to make cash available to the airport because the Government has not been able to help they have already made it known that they will utilise the money we have for the spaceport."

[TCAS FAN]

Learnt earlier this week of the sad passing of one their ATCOs Kevin "Kipper" Roberts due to a heart attack.
RIP Kipper, it was a real pleasure doing business with you.