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davys747
11th Nov 2017, 03:12
Hi all,
Does anybody know or has heard about status of the NATS Experienced Controller Programme? Expressions of Interest for this closed 3 weeks ago and I have heard nothing from them.
There was a rumour that this for be for a Hong Kong contract - can anybody confirm?
Any information would be appreciated :)
ATLATC
15th Nov 2017, 15:57
I've heard that NAT's has reached out to prospective candidates, but no definitive answer on the HK piece.
I was contacted for a video call but it was just an initial part of the process, more info would be given in a face to face interview in the Uk.
ATLATC
27th Nov 2017, 15:09
KVOK, May I ask when was your video call interview?
ATLATC, sure. It was at the beginning of Nov. 3 weeks ago roughly. A 30' interview.
ATLATC
27th Nov 2017, 15:52
Thanks.
And no follow-up yet either, I'm guessing?
Not yet, they only said they would advice with plenty of time in advance to be able to arrange for travels easily... Have you been contacted at all yet ATLATC?
ATLATC
27th Nov 2017, 16:50
KVOK - replied via PM
Jester Wester
29th Nov 2017, 10:38
Has anybody else got any information about the prospective jobs?
chevvron
29th Nov 2017, 15:16
Has anybody else got any information about the prospective jobs?
From reports elsewhere it would seem Farnborough are short of controllers and have been since I retired 9 years ago!
Gonzo
29th Nov 2017, 21:34
I think every airport is struggling for staff in the UK, regardless of ANSP.
mebur_verce
30th Nov 2017, 22:34
I think every airport is struggling for staff in the UK, regardless of ANSP.
Does that also apply to ACC's? Thanks
ZeBurning
3rd Dec 2017, 13:26
ATLATC, sure. It was at the beginning of Nov. 3 weeks ago roughly. A 30' interview.
Hi. Phone interview forseen this month, would be great to know a bit what to expect :)
Spambhoy
3rd Dec 2017, 13:57
Does that also apply to ACC's? Thanks
The Germans have caught NATS on the hop ; Gatwick and Edinburgh has taken the legs from beneath them, they weren't tendering properly and still haven't changed the guts of the bargaining team. As a result, they will lose more and the staff can see it and are taking up other options. The closure of Glasgow due to staff shortages, a week or so ago, was barely reported in the press. Heads should have rolled for that alone.
I got out and so have several of my colleagues which has led to an immediate dearth of experience and with the new recruits on DC pensions and reduced salary rates, the motivation is just not there. I was once proud to work for them, but they now have circus performers pushing all the buttons and portray the behaviour of headless kitchens.
Sad really, it's a profession that should never be tampered with financially.
Just to be clear, I wasn't just talking about NATS airports.
The fact that three large airports have recently changed their ANSP doesn't materially affect the total numbers of controllers/potential controllers in the pool.
What does this are myriad factors, such as NATS dramatically reducing the training pipeline a few years ago, providing an attractive voluntary redundancy package, and such changes such as the rehashing of training and retention of those who did not make it through Area/TMA/TC Approach validation, what, ten years ago? Before then, many who didn't quite make it to validation at West Drayton/Swanwick would still have a Student aerodrome rating, and would either stay within NATS and work at an airport, or leave NATS and be picked up by another airport. Airports back then had effectively a 'free' pipeline of trainees, and there was a large pool of them.
Since that pipeline has been turned off, the pool has been reducing in size, compounded by the effect of the closure of Cwmbran.
UK ATC as a whole is in a staffing crisis, and that's before one speculates on the effects of the pension freedoms enjoyed by a large proportion of the NATS ATCO workforce with 15+ years experience.
We live in interesting times.
I haven't noticed any change in motivation in trainees I've met to those I trained with nearly 20 years ago.
Barnaby the Bear
4th Dec 2017, 10:10
Agree with Gonzo.
The pool of ATCO's has changed considerably in the last decade because of the reasons Gonzo cited.
NATS has recruited allot of experienced non NATS controllers recently and yes NATS has lost controllers to ANS.
The recent pay reviews at ANS and Birmingham demonstrate that there is a need for ANSP's to start reacting to the market and review their terms and conditions (that doesn't always mean more money).
An airport mentioned earlier has lost 6 ATCO's in the last year with ATCO's attracted to better pensions, annual pay reviews and overall improved conditions.
Fundamentally there aren't enough experienced controllers to fill the vacancies, and when an ANSP doe's advertise, it can take 3 months plus for the recruitment process (depending on the HR department).
If you find a suitable candidate, they usually have a 3 month notice period. The training (which depending on the unit) can take anything from a few months to over a year depending on the availability of OJTI's who need to ensure their own competency hours are maintained.
ANSP's need to retain their experience, and that starts by looking after the staff they already have.
LEGAL TENDER
4th Dec 2017, 10:25
Sad really, it's a profession that should never be tampered with financially.
All professions are tampered with financially, NHS, Police, Fire, care, education, transport etc.
The service provision levels are all affected by the funding that is available, why should ATC be different?
twentypoint4
4th Dec 2017, 16:47
Interesting, but not all that surprising that I (being a current NATS ATCO at Swanwick) haven't heard anything back since expressing my interest for this overseas opportunity. I meet all the requirements, and am obviously known to them. Seems the contact named on the advert is just ignoring my emails too which is nice and professional.
Not sure why they bothered advertising this internally given all the issues explained perfectly by Gonzo. They can't spare anyone!
Here's hoping interesting Asia opportunities come about with other ANSPs!
Rwy1234
11th Dec 2017, 12:13
If anyone missed out on the NATS posts, there are still vacancies at Wycombe (ADV/ADI) and another airfield (ADV/ADI plus APP)
SafeSkys Ltd (http://www.safeskys.co.uk)
Ouch. :suspect:
ATCO Fred
12th Dec 2017, 09:46
Agree with Gonzo.
The pool of ATCO's has changed considerably in the last decade because of the reasons Gonzo cited.
NATS has recruited allot of experienced non NATS controllers recently and yes NATS has lost controllers to ANS.
The recent pay reviews at ANS and Birmingham demonstrate that there is a need for ANSP's to start reacting to the market and review their terms and conditions (that doesn't always mean more money).
An airport mentioned earlier has lost 6 ATCO's in the last year with ATCO's attracted to better pensions, annual pay reviews and overall improved conditions.
Fundamentally there aren't enough experienced controllers to fill the vacancies, and when an ANSP doe's advertise, it can take 3 months plus for the recruitment process (depending on the HR department).
If you find a suitable candidate, they usually have a 3 month notice period. The training (which depending on the unit) can take anything from a few months to over a year depending on the availability of OJTI's who need to ensure their own competency hours are maintained.
ANSP's need to retain their experience, and that starts by looking after the staff they already have.
Spot on Barnaby. All you need is for a few staff to leave and you're short staffed for 12-18 months! That adds further pressure / fatigue on the existing staff who in turn get alienated . . . . . and the vicious circle, once started, is difficult to stop. T&Cs have slowly dwindled during the 2007-2015 period and, dare I say, the appetite to spend more £££ on expensive ATCOs is not there.
alfaman
12th Dec 2017, 19:21
...such as the rehashing of training and retention of those who did not make it through Area/TMA/TC Approach validation, what, ten years ago? Before then, many who didn't quite make it to validation at West Drayton/Swanwick would still have a Student aerodrome rating, and would either stay within NATS and work at an airport, or leave NATS and be picked up by another airport. Airports back then had effectively a 'free' pipeline of trainees, and there was a large pool of them.... Closer to 15 now, March 2003; driven by economic regulation, I understand, rather than any desire to change the process, although cutting costs was no doubt also a large factor. It was considered to be unfair support of the unregulated part of the business by the regulated.
We live in interesting times.
I haven't noticed any change in motivation in trainees I've met to those I trained with nearly 20 years ago. We certainly do, & me neither...
Yes Unda, I got an invitation to undertake some online psychometric assessments...
ATLATC
29th Jan 2018, 14:04
Same here....
The invitation for the tests arrived around 4 or 5 weeks after the interview, they'll give you plenty of time to have it done, it's the typical psychometric assessments you can find online.
ATLATC seems as if it's moving on, glad you're in. Your inbox might be full, can't send PM.
Toblerones
26th Mar 2018, 12:09
Seems things are moving on but I haven't seen anything online to confirm this have you KVOK? Any info about the package - they said they will inform us. Thanks.
ATLATC
26th Mar 2018, 13:53
KVOK, There seems to be some action. Are you in, or not heard yet?
Not sure what's up with my inbox; no where near full.
Regards
ATLATC, says this: ATLATC has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.
Yes, I am in, like you say, somewhat positive. Waiting for the info as well Toblerones.
When I checked online didn't see any connection with this whatsoever.
ATLATC
26th Mar 2018, 18:36
Checked my PM settings; don't know what the issue is.
Surely info coming soon, considering the fast approaching travel.
Well, just thought of letting you since I found it a tad odd the restriction about the PMs.
Yes, exactly, should be really soon, the dates aren't far.
ATLATC
26th Mar 2018, 18:42
I do appreciate you letting me know.
Dates aren't far at all. I had to let them know I'm on a Caribbean cruise all of next week, and likely out of contact at sea.
Well then, that's a plan for week I'd willingly swap for :) Lucky you! You can always get the mail when docked I'm sure... It'll be fine. Enjoy it! That's one on my bucket list. :)
ATLATC
26th Mar 2018, 19:23
Thanks. Cruising is fantastic and I highly recommend it.
Yeah, done it and loved it but not across the Caribbean.
Let's see how it all goes, still now news...
That's right ATLATC... I assume you too. You still can't receive PM btw.
sandy66
25th Aug 2018, 13:46
Any news of Hong Kong recruitment of experienced controllers.whats the next step after telphonic interview.
ilkapoika
27th Aug 2018, 10:14
sandy66
That will be assessment in Jerez, Spain. About one month from the tel interview.
sandy66
27th Aug 2018, 11:26
sandy66
That will be assessment in Jerez, Spain. About one month from the tel interview.
Can you please elaborate the assessments skill test or any other test. Thanks
ilkapoika
27th Aug 2018, 13:01
The assessment will consist of a simulator exercise and a formal interview.
seymor1000
28th Aug 2018, 16:24
I start with NATS in HK in 3 weeks,
ferris
29th Aug 2018, 07:35
Tried sending you a PM seymor- no joy.
sandy66
29th Aug 2018, 17:11
I start with NATS in HK in 3 weeks, 1st wave to start. They have a professional yet friendly and relaxed interview process. Yes, includes trip to Jerez for the Simulator.
Unable to receive your message have sent you a pm
Thanks
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