What's the fastest-climbing business jet in production?

[hotpancakes]

As the title says, I'm interested in knowing what's the fastest-climbing business jet in production today. Any ideas?

[KAISERSOZE]

I don't know
But I would bet on the falcon family

[bizjetway]

Embraer Phenom 300

[Cazalet33]

How does the PC-24 stack up in that list?

It's the sort of stoopid question my boss might ask, so I'd like to know the answer - with numbers.

[galaxy flyer]

A CL350 will out-climb a Lear 60 which is pretty fast. Faster than any Falcon. IIRC, 18 minutes to F430.

GF

[FlyMD]

With a „light“ G550, Luton to Le Bourget, I remember doing ground to FL490 in 19 minutes.... Not exactly representative though, as we only had about 8‘000 of a possible 41000lbs of fuel on board.

[M-ONGO]

A CL350 will out-climb a Lear 60 which is pretty fast. Faster than any Falcon. IIRC, 18 minutes to F430.

GF

And a G280 will out climb a CL350.

[Kelly Hopper]

The other side of that question could be a BAe146-300 at MTOM?
44 mins to FL 290!

[Trim Stab]

The lowly citation 525s climb pretty fast. A long time since I flew one, but I remember seeing over 6000ft/min on CJ3 when lightly loaded. Even fully loaded it would do about 4500ft/min.

I was going to write that it must be the L39 Albatross (given that a number are in use as personal business jets around the world) but then I looked up the climb rate - only about 4200ft/min....

[His dudeness]

From the FPGs:

MTOM to FL 390
Citation Encore + 14 min
G280 15 minutes
Sovereign + 15 min
Old Sovereign 16 min
Legacy 450/500 16 min
CJ 4 16 min
CJ2+ / 3 / XLS 17 Min
Falcon 2000LXS 18 min
Phenom 300 18 min
Citation X 19 min


to FL410
Citation Encore + 17 min
G280 17 min
Sovereign + 17 min
Legacy 500 18 min
Legacy 450 19 min
Old Sovereign 19 min
CJ 3 / 4 19 min
CJ 2+ / XLS 20 min
Falcon 2000LXS 21 min
Phenom 300 21 min
Citation X 21 min

[B2N2]

As the title says, I'm interested in knowing what's the fastest-climbing business jet in production today. Any ideas?

Fastest climbing is a little broad.
From sea level initial ROC?
Time to climb to a specified altitude?
At max take off weights or at ‘record’ weights?
At standard weights and temps a C525 will climb straight to its ceiling of FL450 but obviously this won’t equate to a stellar ROC as far as average feet per minute as you’re down to 300’ per minute for the last 2000’ of altitude gain.
737’s are brutal climbers down low so I’ll throw the 737 BBJ in the mix.
At operating weights a lot lighter then a pax laden airline work horse.

[Dan_Brown]

With a „light“ G550, Luton to Le Bourget, I remember doing ground to FL490 in 19 minutes.... Not exactly representative though, as we only had about 8‘000 of a possible 41000lbs of fuel on board.

FL490 seems a little on the high side, even if you get the clearance to do so. Or am i missing something here?

LR23. Now there was an a/c. 10,000ft/min, initial RIC. Turbo jet. I.E., not shackled by noise restrictions etc.

[furbpilot]

Soyuz.....

[falconeasydriver]

777LR with 10 tonnes of gas and 45 pax 13 min 12 sec from brake release to FL430.

[Max Torque]

It's all oranges and apples and strawberries.
I did brake release to FL200 in four minutes out of LOWW in a light 2000EX because ATC asked nicely. Fun, but proves nothing.

[atakacs]

As others have mentioned this question should really be qualified as there are many elements to the equation...

[CL300]

In production I have no clue, But the Lears WERE climbers, outside the 23/24, the 31A was a great performer, LFMN Take off from the easterly runway, continuous turn NC at 23000 ft...
Standard altitude for 100Nm trip FL310... :-) I have not seen this in other aircraft yet.

[leondelfierro]

As others have mentioned this question should really be qualified as there are many elements to the equation... True!

And a G280 will out climb a CL350.
In the 280 we routinely average 17 Minutes to FL430 with 8 Pax and 65% to 70% Fuel Load, BOW is mid to high, ISA moves around -2 to +2 most times.

[M-ONGO]

True!


In the 280 we routinely average 17 Minutes to FL430 with 8 Pax and 65% to 70% Fuel Load, BOW is mid to high, ISA moves around -2 to +2 most times.

Same here. It climbs like a demon.

[Joss]

I think it's time to update this thread.

CitationMax has a video on YT in which he demonstrates FL410 in 15' with 5 adult POB.

I know a Lear 23/24/25 can do that in 12' but still is impressive.

I've been told Latitude and Longitude can climb at 6000 FPM. I wonder what's their time to climb.

[B-757]

As the title says, I'm interested in knowing what's the fastest-climbing business jet in production today. Any ideas?

..This could be old info, but still quite impressive..

Fly safe,
B-757

https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/world-record-for-time-to-climb-to-a-height-of-15-000-meters/

[EatMyShorts!]

Yesterday we made our Falcon 2000EX EASy climb from almost sea level to FL430 in about 16 minutes with a few passengers on board...it is just normal.

[Big Pistons Forever]

Not in production, but I don’t think Neil Armstrong’s record of 12 minutes 27 seconds to FL 490 in a Lear 28 will ever be broken.

[stilton]

If I remember correctly a specially prepared F15 went from brake release to 100,000 feet + in just over 3 minutes

Hard to beat !

[Big Pistons Forever]

If I remember correctly a specially prepared F15 went from brake release to 100,000 feet + in just over 3 minutes

Hard to beat !

Considering a light F15 will accelerate on a vertical upline I don't think it is fair to compare it to any civil executive jet.

I remember one cold night I was number 2 to a Lear 25 at CYVR. He was asked what altitude he wanted to cross the YVR VOR at. (The YVR VOR is 7 nm from the airport). His response was "Flight Level two Four Oh". There was a long pause and then tower said "lets make that 7000".

[RetiredBA/BY]

Concorde departing Manchester 24. Light to LHR. Inbound on 06. ATC: Speedbird , can you give a good rate of climb after TO for inbound seperation.
SST: We will be doing 10,000 fpm, more if you want it !

[blind pew]

I gave up on reaching cruise level around FL290 after more than half an hour..MD80 out of west Africa..night time. Someone has to earn money.

[cavuman1]

My wealthy Texas cousin owned and piloted two Lear 25B's. When I visited him at his 30,000-acre ranch in Thurber, Texas, he invited me for a quick "look-see" around his property. From 40,000 feet. He and I boarded one of his jets and we took off with a light fuel load. I was right seat and noted a climb rate of 6,000 f.p.m. on the VSI. The deck angle was more than 45 degrees, but it felt as if we were ascending straight up. Carroll looked over at me from his left-seat perch; he winked: "Goes like a scalded dog, don't she?", he laughed as we leveled off at 40,000 feet.

Now my cousin is long gone. So is the ranch and the 10,000 llamas and 5,000 head of cattle and the oil. The memory of that day remains unsullied however. I think I know what John Gillespie Magee, Jr. was talking about when he spoke of "put out my hand - and touched the face of God."

It gets my heart pumping just to remember that day and that beloved man who drove a 1956 Thunderbird, the hood ornament of which was a set of longhorn steer horns as wide as the car. The horn played the first two measures of "The Yellow Rose of Texas", and his Learjets made eight miles high in under seven minutes.

- Ed

[Flap Sup]

I know it dosn't answer your question, but a lightly loaded Dash 7: 2hrs to FL230. On a cold day...

[rigpiggy]

B1900 crew/2500#fuel about 3500# under gross, kgrr -32 5000' end of runway 10k abeam 250 in7 minutes. A great little plane.