What's the fastest-climbing business jet in production?

[hotpancakes]

As the title says, I'm interested in knowing what's the fastest-climbing business jet in production today. Any ideas?

[KAISERSOZE]

I don't know
But I would bet on the falcon family

[bizjetway]

Embraer Phenom 300

[Cazalet33]

How does the PC-24 stack up in that list?

It's the sort of stoopid question my boss might ask, so I'd like to know the answer - with numbers.

[galaxy flyer]

A CL350 will out-climb a Lear 60 which is pretty fast. Faster than any Falcon. IIRC, 18 minutes to F430.

GF

[FlyMD]

With a „light“ G550, Luton to Le Bourget, I remember doing ground to FL490 in 19 minutes.... Not exactly representative though, as we only had about 8‘000 of a possible 41000lbs of fuel on board.

[M-ONGO]

Originally Posted by galaxy flyer

A CL350 will out-climb a Lear 60 which is pretty fast. Faster than any Falcon. IIRC, 18 minutes to F430.

GF

And a G280 will out climb a CL350.

[Kelly Hopper]

The other side of that question could be a BAe146-300 at MTOM?
44 mins to FL 290!

[Trim Stab]

The lowly citation 525s climb pretty fast. A long time since I flew one, but I remember seeing over 6000ft/min on CJ3 when lightly loaded. Even fully loaded it would do about 4500ft/min.

I was going to write that it must be the L39 Albatross (given that a number are in use as personal business jets around the world) but then I looked up the climb rate - only about 4200ft/min....

[His dudeness]

From the FPGs:

MTOM to FL 390
Citation Encore + 14 min
G280 15 minutes
Sovereign + 15 min
Old Sovereign 16 min
Legacy 450/500 16 min
CJ 4 16 min
CJ2+ / 3 / XLS 17 Min
Falcon 2000LXS 18 min
Phenom 300 18 min
Citation X 19 min


to FL410
Citation Encore + 17 min
G280 17 min
Sovereign + 17 min
Legacy 500 18 min
Legacy 450 19 min
Old Sovereign 19 min
CJ 3 / 4 19 min
CJ 2+ / XLS 20 min
Falcon 2000LXS 21 min
Phenom 300 21 min
Citation X 21 min

[B2N2]

Originally Posted by hotpancakes

As the title says, I'm interested in knowing what's the fastest-climbing business jet in production today. Any ideas?

Fastest climbing is a little broad.
From sea level initial ROC?
Time to climb to a specified altitude?
At max take off weights or at ‘record’ weights?
At standard weights and temps a C525 will climb straight to its ceiling of FL450 but obviously this won’t equate to a stellar ROC as far as average feet per minute as you’re down to 300’ per minute for the last 2000’ of altitude gain.
737’s are brutal climbers down low so I’ll throw the 737 BBJ in the mix.
At operating weights a lot lighter then a pax laden airline work horse.

[Dan_Brown]

Originally Posted by FlyMD

With a „light“ G550, Luton to Le Bourget, I remember doing ground to FL490 in 19 minutes.... Not exactly representative though, as we only had about 8‘000 of a possible 41000lbs of fuel on board.

FL490 seems a little on the high side, even if you get the clearance to do so. Or am i missing something here?

LR23. Now there was an a/c. 10,000ft/min, initial RIC. Turbo jet. I.E., not shackled by noise restrictions etc.

[furbpilot]

Soyuz.....

[falconeasydriver]

777LR with 10 tonnes of gas and 45 pax 13 min 12 sec from brake release to FL430.

[Max Torque]

It's all oranges and apples and strawberries.
I did brake release to FL200 in four minutes out of LOWW in a light 2000EX because ATC asked nicely. Fun, but proves nothing.

[atakacs]

As others have mentioned this question should really be qualified as there are many elements to the equation...

[CL300]

In production I have no clue, But the Lears WERE climbers, outside the 23/24, the 31A was a great performer, LFMN Take off from the easterly runway, continuous turn NC at 23000 ft...
Standard altitude for 100Nm trip FL310... :-) I have not seen this in other aircraft yet.

[leondelfierro]

As others have mentioned this question should really be qualified as there are many elements to the equation...

True!

And a G280 will out climb a CL350.

In the 280 we routinely average 17 Minutes to FL430 with 8 Pax and 65% to 70% Fuel Load, BOW is mid to high, ISA moves around -2 to +2 most times.

[M-ONGO]

Originally Posted by leondelfierro

True!


In the 280 we routinely average 17 Minutes to FL430 with 8 Pax and 65% to 70% Fuel Load, BOW is mid to high, ISA moves around -2 to +2 most times.

Same here. It climbs like a demon.

[Joss]

Bump to update

I think it's time to update this thread.

CitationMax has a video on YT in which he demonstrates FL410 in 15' with 5 adult POB.

I know a Lear 23/24/25 can do that in 12' but still is impressive.

I've been told Latitude and Longitude can climb at 6000 FPM. I wonder what's their time to climb.