All its going to take is a crash.

[CowardlyPilot]

I hate to say it but with all the experienced guys leaving after ARAPA, an incident/accident is inevitable. It's only a matter of time(not to win). Cathay's shortsightedness is going to cost the next generation of management, crew, shareholders, passengers and ultimately HKG!!

Everyone is going to pay.

Thank god I'm outa here.

It's been real guys, enjoy!

[Captain Dart]

They budget for hull losses.

[Freehills]

To be fair so does every airline in the world - it is called insurance. If an airline thought it's risk of a hull loss was zero they would save the expense.

Which would be stupid, given that hull losses can happen quite happily without the help of crew, experienced or otherwise (for example - Sri Lankan getting its planes BBQ'ed by the Tamil Tigers, or Malaysian airlines getting shot down by the Russians, or writing off an A330 due to undeclared dangerous goods)

[BlunderBus]

I wonder if you can hedge hull loss

[Freehills]

Of course you can. Again it is called insurance... You can also hedge your house burning down, or your early death

[ron burgandy]

Freehills, I think Cathay’s hedging has corrupted/confused your idea of hedging.
Hedging is where you invest to offset or reduce a risk.
Insurance is where you pay someone else to assume the risk for you.

In both cases the investment or premium are supposed to be less than your potential losses. In Cathay’s case they have lost far more than they ever would have if they’d bought on the spot market.

Hence it’s not been hedging- it’s been gambling.

[Freehills]

Ok we are going way off topic, but gambling and insurance are the same thing.

I gamble that I will die before the insurance company thinks I will. I don’t mind losing the bet though!

CX are poor gamblers, that we know

[Trafalgar]

CX are poor at everything. There, fixed it for you.

[triple7driver]

And all those locals with 10+ years experience flying regionally around Asia are absolutely unsafe?
Handicapped for their entire career because they didn't have 2,000 hours flying in the bush of Australia before they joined CX?

[Pogie]

It's not the lack of joining experience that will handicap them for their entire career. What will do that is the same thing that will cause a HKG taxi driver with a decade of experience to pump his gas pedal like there's no tomorrow, or cause them to fight to get on an elevator before it empties. No amount of experience can fix the culture of spending your entire life in Hong Kong as a local.

[betpump5]

Wearing coats because its November, even though its still 28'C outside.

[GMEDX]

I saw a gweilo wearing a scarf round his neck in Central the other day. They should bring back capital punishment for that sort of thing.

[Average Fool]

You mean an Austronaut?

[pfvspnf]

Coward Pilot the name really is fitting. This thread is a little scary, it's almost like you are hoping for an incident to occur.

Really do feel sorry for you lot

[Curtain rod]

We aren't hoping at all, not one bit. But, we are all expecting. Only then will all the fears, complaints, reports, letters, stances and thoughts about the current management be shown to be true. And then they will blame the pilots.

[Trafalgar]

Curtain, you are mostly correct, other than the last point. Once that inevitable event occurs, the management WILL get the blame, because people like us will make sure of it.

[swh]

Don’t they self insure ?

[Cpt. Underpants]

Nope. USD2 billion per aircraft, per event. Underwritten by Lloyd's.

[Dilbert68]

That's only two years worth of hedging losses, might as well save the premiums and self insure.

[Admiralty]

The lack of quality local FO's is the reason that I gave up. I couldn't take one more day of having to fly each and every sector (because the FO couldn't safely do so) as well as intervening to give correct info on ATC calls when the spiky haired brigade to my right messed up. This is from a corporate and not an airline perspective, but reading some of the postings on this forum indicate it's no better with an Airline.

Interestingly these FO's also seem to have a habit of parker pen entries in their logbook when one actually bothers to look in depth at their previous experience, probably hundreds of hours of non existant experience in some cases. Yet these types of pilots continue to find work and feel that they are untouchable due to their gold bars and uniform, and when I look at these Junior FO's who really cannot communicate in English with ATC it does make me smile when I see they have awarded themselves an extra stripe making 3 bars after flying a couple of sectors with me.

But ultimately blame lies with the training center or at least a certain one (you know who you are) that hand out command type ratings like candy in the hope that their center continues with its 99.9% first time pass rate, and the problem is then passed to the Captain on the line.

[Trafalgar]

Sounds a lot like CX these days. The front page headline in the SCMP is surely inevitable.

[checklistcomplete]

I have considerable respect for most of the corporate guys I meet. Tough job, tough customers and little if any FTL protection.
What I get a laugh from are all the co-pilots. Gelled hair, gold wings, uniforms too big for them and nav bags full of Brylcream and hair curlers and that's the men ! Most with basic CPL's from dubious training centres some with only PPL's.
I certainly don't envy those single pilot ops with the guy in the RHS constantly checking his make-up and hair in the mirror.
You corporate captains earn every penny.

[Vtwin]

Nope. USD2 billion per aircraft, per event. Underwritten by Lloyd's.

Insurance only pays compensatory damages, the lawyers always go for punitive damages, the uninsurable huge awards paid directly out of the airline coffers in the first world and well beyond what is typically covered by Lloyd’s. CX keeps a dossier on every pilots T&C hiccup and has memorialized our incompetence well for any potential forthcoming litigation with TPMS and ERAS. Awe, corporate naïveté and arrogance, what a great combination, just like a doctor in a Cirrus.

[Admiralty]

Thanks checklistcomplete, yes single pilot ops on a multi crew jet is no fun. I am also of the opinion that a Captain working single crew in these circumstances should be paid much more, or to have spiky's salary on top of our own as we are doing their job too. Patience and overall well being is tested to the absolute limit flying with them. They can be your career wrecker if you stay too long.
But then look at some of their Linkedin accounts, looks like some background experience but wait you do some digging and find out they only had 2 weeks at that company they say they were at for 2 years on their profile as they were fired... but still they get jobs.
Marvel at their English proficiency as they read the next checklist item, 'Preshulizashun'
Complain to the company and / or simulator center and get ignored.

[Shoebox]

Marvel at their English proficiency as they read the next checklist item, 'Preshulizashun'


Yet most of you immigrants, oh sorry I mean expats, have the Cantonese proficiency of a one year old.

[Shot Nancy]

Preshulizashun

Yet most of you immigrants, oh sorry I mean expats, have the Cantonese proficiency of a one year old.

Does it really matter? Chinese and English are the official languages of Hong Kong and I am neither by birth yet try my best.

[Shoebox]

No it doesn't matter but I am sick of this racist thread. Replace the word local with Chinese and it sounds completely D.Trump-esque.

[Woody_Lightyear]

Fantastic! That's what Swine wants. Fight among yourself inside the colony as hard as you can.

Swine just needs half the effort to achieve anything they want with your help. Fight harder with each other! :D

[checklistcomplete]

Woody

"Colony" not very PC of you ?

[Woody_Lightyear]

The Swine way keeps pushing my mind to the little bit of history I have read about Singapore, India and Hong Kong.

Oops...are they related or am I PIC?

[cxorcist]

Yet most of you immigrants, oh sorry I mean expats, have the Cantonese proficiency of a one year old.

Sorry, is that part of the job description? English is! Cantonese? Not so much.

Cantonese is a dying language. Anyone with half a brain will choose to learn Mandarin over Cantonese. Far more benefits come from knowing Mandarin.

PS - We are not immigrating to your country. We are working there, legally, and providing a service that HK cannot provide for itself.

PS2 - Trust me, very few expats want to live in HK, much less retire there.

PS3 - I have almost zero Cantonese proficiency, and I don’t care or have any intentions of learning it.

[Average Fool]

CX, you must be ASStralian.

[cxorcist]

No it doesn't matter but I am sick of this racist thread. Replace the word local with Chinese and it sounds completely D.Trump-esque.

Trump calls it as he sees it. He doesn’t demand that you agree with him. Couldn’t we use a bit of that around CX? Leadership that speaks straightforwardly to its staff and doesn’t hide from uncomfortable truths.

Racism is alive and well on all sides, usually worse in non-Western countries. It is also in the eye of the beholder. No one person or group gets to define what is or isn’t racism.

Trump isn’t a racist imo. He is simply willing to acknowledge and even poke fun at racial and cultural differences. I commend him for not conforming to the media-driven PC world. That is, after all, why he was elected.

[cxorcist]

CX, you must be ASStralian.

Yeah mate, also ASTROalian. It’s a shuttle command every time I fly. I wrote the CX temperature correction charts and always use Type 4 in any icing conditions.

[Flex88]

No it doesn't matter but I am sick of this racist thread. Replace the word local with Chinese and it sounds completely D.Trump-esque.

If you want to experience racism unleashed, simply go down to Immigration Dept and ask them how to get a Chinese (or other) Passport.

They look you straight in the eye when they tell you....

[checklistcomplete]

Stop this please.
Hong Hong has been my home for over 25 years. I was welcomed together with my family and allowed to live a comfortable, safe life, surrounded by hard working friendly local people. Many now friends. I doubt very much if my own country ( UK ) would be so accepting and certainly the Australian record ( now under UN sanction ) does not bare close examination. I thank all Hong Konger's for letting me live and work in THEIR country for so long.

[Farman Biplane]

Nice one checklistincompetant! Typical high brow British crap!
Britain was the colonial imperialist in HK and Australia. Do not for a minute think that you are more welcome in China than Australia.
If you decide to grace Australia’s presence when you are sacked from CX, then I would advise you to drop that attitude. Just some basic life skills advice.

[CodyBlade]

met one of the SQ FA clones and she asked why we look like walking Zombies.For the first time I had no retort

[FreemaninHK]

Stop this please.
Hong Hong has been my home for over 25 years. I was welcomed together with my family and allowed to live a comfortable, safe life, surrounded by hard working friendly local people. Many now friends. I doubt very much if my own country ( UK ) would be so accepting and certainly the Australian record ( now under UN sanction ) does not bare close examination. I thank all Hong Konger's for letting me live and work in THEIR country for so long.

I agree.


I know more locals willing to take action than B Scale FO's. They are here for the term. They want best results. They see FAU get them.

B Scale FO's scared like kittens.

[Trafalgar]

B scale FO kittens all looking for new jobs

[checklistcomplete]

Farman,
Have no fear. I have absolutely no intention of retiring down under to a country with such an appalling human rights record.

[wongsuzie]

have the Cantonese proficiency of a one year old.

Errr...relevance?.last tine I checked English is the language of international aviation.

[Gnadenburg]

Farman,
Have no fear. I have absolutely no intention of retiring down under to a country with such an appalling human rights record.

As bad as yours?

[Luggage]

Trump calls it as he sees it. He doesn’t demand that you agree with him. Couldn’t we use a bit of that around CX? Leadership that speaks straightforwardly to its staff and doesn’t hide from uncomfortable truths.

Racism is alive and well on all sides, usually worse in non-Western countries. It is also in the eye of the beholder. No one person or group gets to define what is or isn’t racism.

Trump isn’t a racist imo. He is simply willing to acknowledge and even poke fun at racial and cultural differences. I commend him for not conforming to the media-driven PC world. That is, after all, why he was elected.

Well said...completely agree.

[Luggage]

Farman,
Have no fear. I have absolutely no intention of retiring down under to a country with such an appalling human rights record.

Lefty PC ALert!

[Shoebox]

Errr...relevance?.last tine I checked English is the language of international aviation.

Evidently your English isn't very good either.

[morningcoffee]

Trump calls it as he sees it. He doesn’t demand that you agree with him. Couldn’t we use a bit of that around CX? Leadership that speaks straightforwardly to its staff and doesn’t hide from uncomfortable truths.

Racism is alive and well on all sides, usually worse in non-Western countries. It is also in the eye of the beholder. No one person or group gets to define what is or isn’t racism.

Trump isn’t a racist imo. He is simply willing to acknowledge and even poke fun at racial and cultural differences. I commend him for not conforming to the media-driven PC world. That is, after all, why he was elected.

His father was in the Klan, Trump junior supported him. The level of intellect lacking on this forum defies belief.

[cxorcist]

My grandparents were Nazis. My relatives on the other side were southern, cotton plantation and slave owners. Does that make me a racist too?