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[jonesyinthesky]

Did anyone else receive one of these messages from one of their Pilot Recruiters. Talk about aggressively going for the jugular, they don't see to like Norwegian.

Darren Kinsella
Pilot Recruitment Specialist at Ryanair
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Dear Simon,

I hope you’re well and you don’t mind me contacting you.
As I’m sure you know we suffered a major rostering failure recently. Having fixed it, we are rolling out significant pay increases for Ryanair pilots of up to €22,000 / £22,000 for Captains.

With our new improved pay deals, our Captains can earn 26% more than Jet2 and 20% more than Norwegian. I have attached full details of our offering with sample comparison tables so you can see the full pay breakdown for yourself.

If you’re interested in discussing this further, including how you can increase your earnings by over 20% from 01 Nov, please contact us today. We would be delighted to hear from you and would be happy to address any questions you may have.

Darren Kinsella
Pilot Recruiter at Ryanair

[TheMightyAtom]

Wow, they've lost their minds (and calculators)

[Dan_Brown]

Leopards never change their spots. Divide and rule, the oldest bullying management trick in the book.

[JetpoweredMigrantWkr]

That math doesn't add up. He should have said, "we might add up to more"... That is a bad example of roster pay comparison.

[OhNoCB]

Whilst I understand that their salary model is weighted towards sector pay - I love how all this information tells me is how as an FO my basic salary is as close as may well be 3 times what they are offering and I would still receive that if I worked 100 hours (or less...) the whole year. SO tempting....:rolleyes:

[aox]

Tell them you got a better offer:

It is my distinct pleasure to write you again and as you are well aware many foreigners have invested thousands of United States Dollars into Nigeria transactions in Hopeless Dreams to have none of them become a reality.

Right now, as directed by our secretary general Antonio Guterres, We have agreed with the Nigeria Government that One Hundred Thousand United States Dollars Only would be paid to you through the Western Union Money Transfer Via special arrangement as first installment.

This is to enable you have enough funds to pay for the Tax Clearance and bank charges before you will receive the balance of your funds. Please take note that you will pay US$95 only, being Notarization fee and this is the only financial obligation that you will undertake to receive the One Hundred Thousand United States Dollars Only through the Western Union Money Transfer.

Lastly,i will like you to reconfirm your information to me such as your full name, address and telephone number so that I will proceed with your Western Union Money Transfer within the next 24 hrs and the transaction information will be released to you.

[ImageGear]

When will they realise that by the time someone has made the very difficult decision to leave, almost no amount of money will make them change their mind since all trust in the company to provide for them and their family has evaporated.

Been there, done that.

[Bernoulli]

Looks pretty good for only 18 hours a week.

[GScapture]

Once again, utter bs and propaganda from them. Useless.

[FRogge]

Someone explain to me what the productivity package is. Selling X amount of days off/year? In that case it would have been fair to include that as well for the other airlines they are comparing to. I heard Norwegian has paid double money for every off day that they've bought this summer.
If someone falls for this, be very careful and make sure you definitely get what you are promised. As someone said in the other thread, I think majority of the bases have poorer base agreements than what they are using for advertising on LinkedIn.

[bfr]

Maybe other airlines don't pay expenses because pilots don't have to pay for uniform, medical, car park, company ID, etc. Therefore they should remove another 6000 from the total...

[Cirrussy]

Never has such a saga brought so much pleasure!

I genuinely wish those of you working for RYR the best of luck in the search for better employment. I suspect that only when you start working for a company that treats you better, will you realise what a rotten deal it has been in the past.

You owe RYR NOTHING. Look after number one. You might be in your comfort zone doing the job you've done for the last year or two, but make the move from RYR now and you will be far better for it in the future.

[Ryanairpilot]

So, using their own figures, take the expenses and the one off Productivity Bonus (that you probably won't get) off and hey presto it's the same (with a slight difference in pension contributions). Smoke and mirrors.

In fact a quick check of PPJN shows the jet2 information is wrong and all the Norwegian benefits (LOL, Bupa etc) are not included. Also by all accounts Norwegian are due a 3% pay increase in January that puts Ryanair back in 3rd place.

The worst part is there's no collective bargaining, no rostering agreement, no protection.

I'm out of here shortly. Good luck to anyone who falls for this.

[GScapture]

Never has such a saga brought so much pleasure!

I genuinely wish those of you working for RYR the best of luck in the search for better employment. I suspect that only when you start working for a company that treats you better, will you realise what a rotten deal it has been in the past.

You owe RYR NOTHING. Look after number one. You might be in your comfort zone doing the job you've done for the last year or two, but make the move from RYR now and you will be far better for it in the future.

Amen for that. These kind of "improved" offers with twisted "productivity"-bull**** packages proves that the company still doesn't get it. You don't hire people telling them fairytales.

[A and C]

I was very pleased to receive this invitation from Ryanair, it heralds the start of a headhunting war from which the pilots can only benefit .

Other airlines will have to up their game to attract and retain staff, I now look forward to my representatives holding a much better negotiating hand when looking to improve T&C’s.

[Can737]

https://www.pilots-unite.com/captains-letter-to-oleary-management/

... management.


This letter was hand delivered today, 11-October-2017 to Ryanair headquarters in Dublin by Captain Imelda Comer. Michael O’Leary, Eddie Wilson and Ryanair management have consistently said that the EERC is not an internal group in Ryanair. They have said they will only meet with Ryanair pilots – now let them prove it!

Mr Michael O’Leary CEO
Ryanair
cc: Mr Eddie Willson, Mr Diarmuid Rogers, Mr Declan Ryan

Dear Michael,

I am a Ryanair Captain and I write to you as a conduit to enable constructive engagement between Ryanair management and the pilot body. The aim of this letter is to provide the company with a Ryanair pilot as you have requested, through which a constructive dialogue can take place.

As you know, the pilots issued a number of correspondences to the company, endorsed by the ERCs in 60 bases. Regrettably the company has either ignored these or claimed they were not from legitimate Ryanair pilots. I wish to confirm they were from the European ERC group which is exclusively made up of Ryanair pilots from several countries. The interim EERC represents the views of the collective pilot body, which wishes to proactively and constructively engage with the company to help resolve the current difficulties that continue to weigh on all of us.

The pilots’ representatives are concerned about their security when they reveal their identities, in a representative context which you have set yourself against. This point was addressed in the interim EERC’s last letter to you. I restate them here for clarity:

1. No legal action will be taken against any EERC member in the performance of their representative work.

2. There will be no scheduling of additional line checks or simulator checks. Any unexpected negative outcome from routine checks will be subject to independent scrutiny/adjudication by an independent third party acceptable to both parties.

3. Any disciplinary action, taken for any reason, will be handled by an independent third party, acceptable to both parties.

4. Representatives’ base will not change unless requested by the pilot involved.

5. Rostered hours per month for representative’s will not be less than their average monthly hours from the year prior to becoming a representative, or the average hours for their base (whichever is higher). In the meantime it will be pointed that the EERC or reps will not suffer any kind of continuous unfavourable duties.

6. Ryanair will provide rostered time off (paid) to engage in representative activities on behalf of Ryanair pilots.

7. EERC members will NOT be assigned unpaid leave, unless they request it.

8. These conditions will apply for at least one year following the cessation of being a Representative.

If the company provides written assurances as to the security of pilot representatives, they will also be happy to disclose their identities and fully engage in meaningful and constructive discussions to resolve the outstanding company difficulties.

I would also like to address the concerns of my colleagues in the whole pilot body. The interim EERC is a group of Ryanair pilots, formed on an interim basis, to provide a channel through which the whole pilot body can speak with one voice to the company. On the 22nd September, 60 bases signed two letters addressed to the company, setting out the pilots’ requirements to address the ongoing difficulties. Again for clarity, I restate them here:

Permanent local contracts – following national laws and rights.
Co-ordination between national and regional pilot teams – recognised as negotiating partners.
Benchmarking of conditions with regional competitor airlines to stem the exit of pilots.
New contracts, properly negotiated, by 01 Jan 2018 – with agreed interim arrangements if negotiations are delayed.
Pilots are pilots – they will therefore have their own professional assistance for any negotiations.
Pilots want Ryanair to succeed and thrive. They want to minimise cancellations and will support as much as possible every effort to achieve this stability.
Pilots will surrender some of their leave to help resolve the current problems, but only in the context of the changes outlined above.
The interim EERC members have listened carefully to the wide range of discussions taking place in the whole group, while also carrying out our flying duties the same as every other pilot. This is clearly challenging for all of us. When the company insists that it will only engage with its own pilots, we have respected that view. However, it is also quite obvious that your company view immediately places all pilots at a significant disadvantage, creating an unreasonable imbalance in any such interactions. Your insistence on only negotiating with pilots, and only dealing with individual bases, is clearly not in the interests of pilots. Your continued insistence on both approaches move everyone further away from a sustainable solution. It may deliver you a short term fix in a handful of bases, but it will not resolve the deep seated issues that have been imposed on pilots over the last ten years, and have cumulatively given rise to our most recent difficulties.

We are pilots first, while your managers are managers first. Negotiating is the primary job of managers – safe flying is a pilot’s primary job. In addition, all our time is taken up with flying duties, leaving no time to properly prepare for or carry out an additional task that you insist only pilots must fulfil. In addition, the complexity of pilots living, operating and moving around Europe exposes us to legal, financial, income tax and social insurance considerations that we do not have expertise in. For these reasons we have reserved the right to seek any assistance we require to support us in our interactions and negotiations with the company. We believe this is an entirely reasonable position for the pilot body and its representatives at every level to adopt.

To date, the company has refused to acknowledge the right of the pilots to engage as a collective group. The company insists that you will only engage one base at a time. I respectfully suggest that this approach has failed the company, as evidenced by the shortage of pilots that has led to the cancellations crisis. It has also failed the pilots, as evidenced by the departure of so many colleagues and the short average length of pilots serving in Ryanair, as reported in Ryanair’s annual reports.

It is regrettable that the company’s response to date shows that you have not listened to the pilots’ voice so far. Ryanair’s way of interacting with its pilots is not in line with the normal practices of any of the companies to which our colleagues have gone in increasing numbers. This needs to change to enable progress to be made.

The offers that you have made to bases in the last 48 hours have not been negotiated with anyone; do not reflect any of the concerns or requirements set out by the pilots; are confusing and in some places potentially misleading; and do not cover all pilots in Ryanair. This indicates that you have so far missed the point of what pilots require, in order to help resolve the company difficulties. The old model has brought us to the current difficulties. Repeating the mistakes of the past will not help anyone to move beyond or resolve these difficulties to find future solutions.

For these reasons, properly informed negotiations need to take place, in which the issues and concerns of all parties can be fully discussed, in the interests of the earliest resolution for our passengers, our pilots and the whole company.

I have been requested by my colleagues, both inside and outside our interim EERC group, to communicate this message to you, and to offer earliest negotiations in which pilots and their advisors can sit as equals at the table, to find the best solutions to enable all of us to look forward to a brighter future.

Yours Sincerely,

Captain Imelda Comer

Please reply to [email protected]

[PilotRoger]

Dear Simon,

I hope you’re well and you don’t mind me contacting you.
As I’m sure you know we suffered a major rostering failure recently. Having fixed it, we are rolling out significant pay increases for Ryanair pilots of up to €22,000 / £22,000 for Captains.

With our new improved pay deals, our Captains can earn 26% more than Jet2 and 20% more than Norwegian. I have attached full details of our offering with sample comparison tables so you can see the full pay breakdown for yourself.

If you’re interested in discussing this further, including how you can increase your earnings by over 20% from 01 Nov, please contact us today. We would be delighted to hear from you and would be happy to address any questions you may have.

Darren Kinsella
Pilot Recruiter at Ryanair


Are they serious! :ugh:

I'm sorry, but I find this extremely disrespectful towards any Pilot, this just shows me how demeaning a pilot is seen at RYR.

I understand MOL speaks like that, but is just because he is a total :mad: (pardon my french); but as we can see, the rest of the company also behaves like that, I mean HR contacting you in that way?!! it just confirms what everyone is saying...

well, following Cirrusy post


I genuinely wish those of you working for RYR the best of luck in the search for better employment. I suspect that only when you start working for a company that treats you better, will you realise what a rotten deal it has been in the past.

You owe RYR NOTHING. Look after number one. You might be in your comfort zone doing the job you've done for the last year or two, but make the move from RYR now and you will be far better for it in the future.

A big and loud AMEN to it.

[Trossie]

Money, money, money.

The answer to everything in life is not just money.

If you make it that way then your foundations are very weak.

Stan, thought you might like that one!

[ExDubai]

https://www.pilots-unite.com/captains-letter-to-oleary-management/

... management.

And here is the answer from MoL....
Pilot who has worked with Ryanair for over 10 years criticises negotiations in letter to Michael O?Leary - Independent.ie (http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/pilot-who-has-worked-with-ryanair-for-over-10-years-criticises-negotiations-in-letter-to-michael-oleary-36221086.html)

This letter from the so-called “EERC” is entirely disingenuous and is signed by a contractor pilot who has already resigned and is leaving Ryanair on 31st October as she confirmed she is moving to Asia. We will not be corresponding with, or replying to, the claims made by this so-called “EERC”/RPG/REPA or any other front set up by competitor pilot unions," Ryanair said in a statement.
"If Ryanair pilots wish to negotiate pay increases of up to €22,000 p.a. or anything else with the airline, they are free to do so at all times through the existing base ERC structures, which have been validated by the Supreme Court of Ireland and have operated successfully for over 25 years without any invented claims about pilot “security”.

"Ryanair wishes Ms Comer every success with her planned move to Asia."

[JetpoweredMigrantWkr]

There's a lot of fuzzy math in that proposal.
Not a straight comparison by any stretch.
They say "We pay more...but you have hoops to jump through and under certain circumstances only" and those hoops are always moving. I would NEVER trust MOL with my career!

[Dualbleed]

:ok:Finally someone with some cojones/B...s is standing up. And it’s a female. Well done. Sad to see you are leaving, but who could blame you. Well done putting your name on it. I think you are the new hero of a lot of pilots. Goods speed in the future Ms C :D

[MaverickPrime]

Good luck to Capt C, I’m sure she will enjoy her £250k/yr tax free salary in China!

Good luck to MOL and Ryanair in their attempts to refuse speaking to the EERC!

[doniedarko]

MOL will never listen never negotiate. Only once did he listen and that was in 2008/2009 when his failed fuel hedging policy and failed attempt to take over aer lingus cost the shareholders nearly 1bn. They made him hand over the rest of the cash pile pretty quickly. Until shareholders see their investment stall be it by pilot action or market forces the same old one way diktats are all you will be seeing from MOL

[MaverickPrime]

Until shareholders see their investment stall be it by pilot action or market forces the same old one way diktats are all you will be seeing from MOL

I’m surprised more shareholders haven’t seen the writing on the wall. They must be very naive or else very stupid. Ryanair can’t recruit and retain enough pilots to cover their attrition of pilots, nevermind provide enough pilots for their expansion plans. Investment in Ryanair is based upon consistent expansion, that is never going to happen if they can’t crew their aircraft! I expect the share price to crash eventually if they don’t sort out their labour relations.

[RAT 5]

Biblical verse Jeremiah 5:21 "Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; who have eyes, and see not; who have ears, and hear not".

Indeed: "there are none so blind as those who will not see and none so deaf as those who do not hear & listen."

Ostriches used to be able to fly until someone sneaked up on them and clipped their wings. I wonder how they managed to do that?

[MaverickPrime]

Another bible verse; a fool is wiser in his own eyes than seven men reasoning sensibly. Although, cast not your pearls before swine!

Sermon over....

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

We should all apply and give them the run around asking for clarification of this and that, it'll have them running round like headless chickens before we all tell them to stick it.:}

[GScapture]

This so called "offer" is demeaning and ignorant act toward any employee. Productivity as they call it aka: "do whatever we want whenever we want it and oh it's prohibited for you to get sick"-pay is just a joke. When you deduct all the normal Ryanair bs from it it's again the same money as it used to be. They just don't get it.

Hope the EERC will succeed.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1577534/hudson-hero-pilot-speaks-out-against-budget-airlines-employment-policies-and-shows-support-for-ryanair-pilots/

[RAFAT]

I got the LinkedIn message from Mr Kinsella even though he wasn't a 1st connection in my network. I didn't reply and then followed up by blocking him!

They say everyone has their price, but nope, not always; I wouldn't work for that shower for a million a year, or any figure you could imagine, my health and happiness are far more important.

[arketip]

They say everyone has their price, but nope, not always; I wouldn't work for that shower for a million a year, or any figure you could imagine, my health and happiness are far more important.

I probably would. A million a year or any figure I could imagine(let's say 5 millions, don't want to be greedy)?
Work a couple of years then retire and take care of my health.

[jonesyinthesky]

well we should thank RYR as we might all get a pay rise out of this ; ), i'm sure Paul might get the odd email

[CW247]

Who would've thought it, MOL being helpful to pilots!

[Elephant and Castle]

I am interested in applying but I am afraid that first Ryanair will have to agree to pay me the following unavoidable and non refundable charges:

Filling an application form - 50
Attending a selection day - 350 (450 if outside business hours - 550 if a sat or sunday)
Any phone calls - 25 (plus 12 connection charge)
Any email communication - 50 (an additional broadband surcharge of 12 applies)
Any documentation that they want me to provide - 50 per document (100 for photos -150 if colour-). Does not include the logbook which will be charged separately at 175 (an additional surcharge of 25 for paper copies applies).

These charges will be levied at the nominal value in a currency of my choosing and which may change from charge to charge according to exchange rate fluctuations. I accept cash (additional cash handling surcharge applies), credit or debit cards (additional fat cat banking charges apply) or bank transfer (25 extra per transaction)

I reserve the right to withdraw my application at any point in the process however the charges will still be paid. All charges are non refundable.

[Steve6443]

I am interested in applying but I am afraid that first Ryanair will have to agree to pay me the following unavoidable and non refundable charges:

Filling an application form - 50
Attending a selection day - 350 (450 if outside business hours - 550 if a sat or sunday)
Any phone calls - 25 (plus 12 connection charge)
Any email communication - 50 (an additional broadband surcharge of 12 applies)
Any documentation that they want me to provide - 50 per document (100 for photos -150 if colour-). Does not include the logbook which will be charged separately at 175 (an additional surcharge of 25 for paper copies applies).

These charges will be levied at the nominal value in a currency of my choosing and which may change from charge to charge according to exchange rate fluctuations. I accept cash (additional cash handling surcharge applies), credit or debit cards (additional fat cat banking charges apply) or bank transfer (25 extra per transaction)

I reserve the right to withdraw my application at any point in the process however the charges will still be paid. All charges are non refundable.


Not bad for a start but how about showing MOL you have taken a leaf from his book:

Filling an application form - 50; a surcharge of 25 is payable if you want to actually be able to READ my handwriting.

Attending a selection day - 350 (450 if outside business hours - 550 if a sat or sunday); an additional 200 is payable if you actually want my attention rather than just my physical presence...


Any phone calls - 25 (plus 12 connection charge); if you actually want me to speak in a language you understand, then that's another 50.


Any email communication - 50 (an additional broadband surcharge of 12 applies); if you actually want me to send the email to you and not just save it in my draft emails folder, that's another 50


Any documentation that they want me to provide - 50 per document (100 for photos -150 if colour-). Does not include the logbook which will be charged separately at 175 (an additional surcharge of 25 for paper copies applies).

All documentation will be provided in white text on white A4 paper. Use of black ink will incur an additional charge of 0.10 per character

[And Then]

Yep I received this and meant a scoffing reply. Thanks for the reminder.

[Boeing 7E7]

https://youtu.be/N7h62vHoP34

[Global_Global]

My reply to the Linkedin message:

"Dear Darren Kinsella Pilot Recruitment Specialist at Ryanair

Apparently you have not been such a "specialist" as if you were you would know that besides the salary difference calculations you showed being wrong the biggest difference is that at one of the other two quoted airlines where I am currently active at least staff are treated like human beings.

By the time you have proper contracts, staff representations instead of this fake management pilots forum, sick leave without financial impacts and pay for time worked and not rostered please do come back.

Now in the spirit of the words of your esteemed CEO: :mad: :mad:you lying cheating :mad: you are getting what you deserve! "

Mmm... think that my changes to be hired by Darren might have fallen a bit...

[Wingman82]

LOL :D I like that

[wowzz]

Sorry, only slf, but your reply is priceless.

[akindofmagic]

As much as I despise the behaviour of Ryanair, I’m not sure how sensible deliberately antagonising people is in this or any other industry.

[adolf hucker]

As much as I despise the behaviour of Ryanair, I’m not sure how sensible deliberately antagonising people is in this or any other industry.

And that, in a nutshell, sums up how Ryanair has been able to get away with its approach for years. While their management are ruthless, unqualified pikeys, pilots tend to be reasonable, professional and measured. Typically, most of us won't sink to their level and end up in denial at how we are being treated. The more proactive victims take their skills elsewhere.

I really hope very few are taken in by the so-called improved pay offer. It's all BS and will undoubtedly be clawed back if they ever solve their recruiting crisis.

[Intrance]

Agreed. This Darren person might not always remain at Ryanair... It's not just a stepping stone for pilots I imagine. Doesn't matter how low you believe the chances to be, you will see that when you apply for a job at a place you really want to be at and you are qualified etc, you will get a friendly reply from someone named Darren telling you to sod off :}

I actually know a few cases like this, including one where someone who felt improperly treated by my old flight school ended up in HR for a major airline and pretty much any CV passing before his eyes that listed that specific flying school went straight into the bin.

[Always Try Reset]

Make no mistake, HR exists to protect the company from it's employees, not the other way around.

So considering how their HR have been operating,he might seem like a perfect candidate for a lot of companies.

[Global_Global]

I have a very simple belief that no one should lie in his or her career, as what goes around comes around. If this means I would run the risk to see the bin because of this gentleman who, together with his company, is lying through his teeth.... so be it :)

[RAT 5]

Not quite sure what you are saying, GG. A lie in public is only exposed as such if it is challenged. If it is left alone, and allowed to be repeated, constantly, then it can morph into perceived truth. The effect is called propaganda, and is tried & tested.

[Can737]

https://skift.com/2017/10/16/some-of-ryanairs-pilots-were-offered-a-big-raise-but-told-management-they-want-more/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[RAT 5]

From Skift publication:

Pilots are trying to form a companywide group, bypassing the existing structure which requires each of Ryanair’s 86 bases to negotiate deals separately.

So how can The Supreme Court turn a bind eye, with all the details out there, and still allow their judgement regarding 'collective bargaining' to stand? Why are they not asking themselves questions?

Chief People Officer Eddie Wilson last week wrote to pilots cautioning that the deal on offer, could be withdrawn in the event pilots don’t fall into line. “If pilots continue to be misled by the false promises of unions, then you will delay or miss out on these big pay increases next month,” he said.

RYR claims it bargains with its pilots directly. Bargaining includes negotiations. No-one has suggested the quoted offer is in direct response to any specific requests from the pilots. It does not seem to be an offer that applies to all bases. Therefore it does not appear to be a negotiation. It appears to be a deal/offer presented in a 'take it or leave it' dictatorial manner, and not very 'collective'.

Or am I misinterpreting something?

[Can737]

Ryanair pilots at Madrid base reject offer of pay rises up to 22%. 80.88% to 19.12%

Well done Ryanair pilots! The divide and conquer days are over!

[BluSdUp]

Has any base signed ?

[Can737]

It is just getting better and better everyday.

I say, first you give a fair contract for all the Ryanair pilots dealt throughout EERC, plus MOL himself must be on his knees begging hard.

Ryanair sends emails to former pilots 'begging' them to come back (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/ryanair-begging-former-pilots-to-come-back/amp/)

[Journey Man]

Unless the proffered carrot is a normal working contract, surely any flightcrew taking the thirty pieces of silver weakens the existing contractors position, and their own in the same turn?

[tres chaud]

After reading the posts to date on this thread. I think people need to take a step back from what the company Ryanair is communicating and what Darren in HR is communicating on behalf of Ryanair.

Darren in HR in this case is only doing his job! Some individuals on this forum need to get over it. Recruiters in all industries message staff over LinkedIn not just the aviation industry. That is part and parcel of recruitment. If you don't like the message ignore it, don't reply to it, delete it etc.

I don't like the way Ryanair treat their staff anymore than anyone else but I think some of the comments on here are disrespectful towards the individual in HR who is just doing his job at the end of the day.

[falconeasydriver]

Haha spoken like a true management stooge/apologist! With your new joiners date it seems to me you are a wee bit sensitive now that the tables have been turned and your "Buddy" Darren is learning a valuable lesson in relation to how people ought to be treated.
It's a shame really when pretty much everyone in the frontline of this industry would prefer to keep watching MOL sweat and squirm, but if not, a putrid HR lackey who's merely "following zee orders" will do for now :E

[Killaroo]

Well said.
Isn’t it so like a bully to squeal for mercy and understanding when they no longer have the whip hand?
The wounded sincerity would almost make you gag!

Did you lackies show mercy or understanding to that Ryanair Captain who almost crashed in his state of grief after his child’s death?
Not one bit!

Suck it up now.

[Bernoulli]

Any of the Ryanair people remember Captain John Goss? My God, the vile management of the airline sure went after him when he tried to stand up for himself and other pilots.

I hope he's well and enjoying a well earned sense of schadenfreude regarding the vermin in Ryanair 'management'.

[cvg2iln]

Rat5: Chief People Officer Eddie Wilson last week wrote to pilots cautioning that the deal on offer, could be withdrawn in the event pilots don’t fall into line. “If pilots continue to be misled by the false promises of unions, then you will delay or miss out on these big pay increases next month,” he said.Having always enjoyed and benefited from the bargaining power, scope and legal protection of a union I find it inconceivable that any pilot group should still be marching piecemeal towards management's machine guns with promises of pay raises in exchange for compliance. Perhaps it's a default consequence of EU membership and the associated warped environment which allows divide and conquer to successfully prevail.

I've seen employee groups who flirted with and equivocated over union membership - those in maintenance and ground handling. When the going got tough, they were sent packing. As Frank Lorenzo (remember him?) once reportedly said ref strife from less than happy FAs: he was going to recu#t the airline. Wonder where he ended up?

[RAT 5]

Frank Lorenzo (remember him?) Wonder where he ended up?

Probably better off than the Eastern Airlines pilots, who he made jobless when he bankrupted the airline in a fit of pique, with whom I flew with in Europe as they desperately sought work to pay their bills. They were very bitter, as well they should be. Sitting with them, surrounded by the Aussies, who had also been cast adrift from Ansett, it was like a Monty Python sketch; each trying to out-do the other with their stories of woe and management vicious screw-ups.

Yet other examples of airlines going under due to no fault of the employees, but managers'. Some day someone should write a history of airlines that have been driven to the wall by management. No more of the 'rough story of XYZ' or the 'rise from the ashes of ABC'. It should simply be 'the utter unnecessary demise of airlines XYZ and the destruction of 000's of livelihoods by incompetence & greed'.

[CurtainTwitcher]

Frank Lorenzo (remember him?) Wonder where he ended up?

Some day someone should write a history of airlines that have been driven to the wall by management. No more of the 'rough story of XYZ' or the 'rise from the ashes of ABC

There is an excellent history of the US deregulation, corporate swashbuckling, raiding, looting & subsequent airline failures written by Thomas Petzinger called Hard Landing, available on kindle & other formats (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004CFAWIY/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) for a modest price. Frank Lorenzo is the star of the show... Highly recommended.

[Papa_Golf]

They are at it again. Mark Duffy the keyboard hero this time.

”Thanks to all of the Norwegian pilots who have been in contact recently and we look forward to seeing you at an assessment soon, to those who are thinking of getting in touch I would encourage you to do so soon,we only have so many base slots available and when they are gone, they are gone, there could be a very real scenario where thousands of pilots enter the same job market in the coming months all wanting the same bases etc, as the only 737 operator who can offer you job security, a stable 5/4 roster, great pay and good choice of base I encourage you to get in first before you miss the boat. For high hours first officers promised a quick upgrade which is now looking unlikely, if you join us in time for winter season you could get an upgrade in 12 to 14 months. #analystsrarelygetitwrong“

[FRogge]

Pure propaganda! Even in that message you can feel the vibes that they try to control you through fear. If you don’t apply now you will never get home. Has anything changed now when they’ve recognised unions??

[directmisbi]

Im sure ryanair wouldnt use so much energy on scaremongering if they knew norwegian would go belly up in a couple of months. Waste of resources. Something Ryanair hate. A lot can be said about the evil empire and its leaders, but they aint stupid.
Hundreds of ryanair pilots have joined the ranks through the last couple of years, and the vast majority have stayed on. Myself included.

[BluSdUp]

And how many in RYR think that is fair when waiting to win the preferred base lottery after 2 to 12 years in the company. Oooops , just lost a few hundred right there.
A lot can be said about Dublin, but " Smart" has not been one of the words lately!

[Graybulls]

And how many in RYR think that is fair when waiting to win the preferred base lottery after 2 to 12 years in the company. Oooops , just lost a few hundred right there.
A lot can be said about Dublin, but " Smart" has not been one of the words lately!

Totally agree, vacant positions in bases should go to existing pilots.
I've been here nearly 12 months now as a DEC, and got the base of my choice, I consider myself very fortunate, but I cant agree with the principle, even though I benefited from it.

However, I'm meeting loads of guys over the last few months all getting their chosen base, so the base issue is improving dramatically.

[Journey Man]

#analystsrarelygetitwrong

Except they do, repeatedly. Black Swan events being the popular example.

[liftman]

Well...quite a simple reply...

once you will be a REAL airline I will be interested in...a couple of thousand of these and maybe they understand job is not just about money