Monarch aircraft movements

[Hotel Tango]

Just noticed G-OZBM depart BHX heading SE and climbing to a high cruising level. Destination not known.

[Hotel Tango]

Level at FL370. More E than SE actually.

[Hotel Tango]

G-OZBL, also out of BHX, now following behind BM.

[pabely]

A few gone to Shannon & Ostrava today

[MKY661]

G-OZBF - LGW-SNN
G-OZBI - LGW-SNN
G-OZBL - BHX-OSR
G-OZBM - BHX-OSR
G-OZBN - LGW-OSR
G-ZBAG - BHX-SNN
G-ZBAL - LGW-DUB
G-ZBAR - LBA-SNN
G-ZBAT - BHX-OSR

None have left from LTN yet.

[dc9-32]

Level at FL370. More E than SE actually.

How does that work at FL370 when the RVSM approval becomes invalid when the AOC was withdrawn. The aircraft is no longer on the Monarch ops spec and no longer maintained under a maintenance program.

[crewmeal]

My guess is because it becomes a private flight. The aircraft has its cert of airworthness so legally it can fly privately once all the agencies have been paid.

[Lew747]

Reckon its monarch flight crew or a 3rd party operating these flights?

[crewmeal]

It won't be a Monarch crew unless they paid cash in hand as Monarch Airlines has ceased business. It'll be more likely be pilots hired by the lessor.

[DaveReidUK]

A few gone to Shannon & Ostrava today

That makes sense.

Job Air at Ostrava advertise "Aircraft touch-ups, partial painting for neutralizing of your aircraft or complete painting into new liveries".

http://jobair.eu/painting-facility

[rog747]

the lone 738 has now gone too from BHX - was a Pegasus a/c but it has not as yet gone back to them - edit it left to MST friday 8pm
duff gen given to me

[pabely]

G-OZBF - LGW-SNN
G-OZBI - LGW-SNN
G-OZBL - BHX-OSR
G-OZBM - BHX-OSR
G-OZBN - LGW-OSR
G-ZBAG - BHX-SNN
G-ZBAL - LGW-DUB
G-ZBAR - LBA-SNN
G-ZBAT - BHX-OSR

None have left from LTN yet.

I wonder whether LTN is a little more complicated with debts owed to Airport / Council in respect to other things.

[dc9-32]

My guess is because it becomes a private flight. The aircraft has its cert of airworthness so legally it can fly privately once all the agencies have been paid.


Well you know nothing about private ops and RVSM :rolleyes:

Regardless of private or AOC, an aircraft's RVSM approval is cancelled once it comes off the operators ops spec as it is no longer maintained under an approved maintenance program. Same applies to the C of A. If not maintained by a CAMO or on an ops spec, the C of A is invalid.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

crew meal
It won't be a Monarch crew unless they paid cash in hand as Monarch Airlines has ceased business. It'll be more likely be pilots hired by the lessor
There will be some Monarch crew on the books still possibly - kept on and paid by the Administrator. Certain positions are required to keep the AOC going. Or as you say some cash in hand

[crewmeal]

Well you know nothing about private ops and RVSM

Thank you for enlightening me regarding private ops. I bow to your superior knowledge :D

[FL370 Officeboy]

I'm led to believe that (ex) Monarch pilots are being hired on an ad-hoc basis by the administrator to fly the aircraft back to the lessors and filing their own flight plans

[student88]

The leasing companies are using their own pilots to ferry the aircraft. No Monarch pilots are doing this job.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

All a/c are departing using a permit to fly as it has already been reported they no longer have a valid C of A.

[In Mon I Trust]

G-OZBR MAN - OSR
G-OZBZ MAN - OSR
G-ZBAF MAN - TBA (heading towards Ireland)

More of the fleet leaving

[LTNman]

I wonder whether LTN is a little more complicated with debts owed to Airport / Council in respect to other things.

If not owned by the airline how can they be held for a debt?

[KyleRB]

I’m aware of Monarch crews being asked to help move some aircraft. Whether they took the offer up I have no idea but they were asked.

[DaveReidUK]

If not owned by the airline how can they be held for a debt?

Doesn't make any difference who the current operator is, if there are any outstanding charges the airport is entitled under the Civil Aviation Act to detain the aircraft until it gets paid.

[Cazalet33]

With ships they traditionally nail a writ to the main mast.

What's the equivalent with aircraft? Sellotape it to the MLG and hope the dozy co-Joe does a proper job of his/her pre-flight inspection?

[pabely]

Doesn't make any difference who the current operator is, if there are any outstanding charges the airport is entitled under the Civil Aviation Act to detain the aircraft until it gets paid.

Yep, happened in BHX last year with a Air X CL850.
I was just thinking that the Local Debts would go wider than to airport, LBC with Company Rates / Taxes etc. Did MON own the HO Building....?

[DaveReidUK]

What's the equivalent with aircraft? Sellotape it to the MLG and hope the dozy co-Joe does a proper job of his/her pre-flight inspection?

Blocking the aircraft in with a spare snowplough usually gets the message across.

[KelvinD]

I believe they remove the aircraft's papers in addition to the sellotaped notices.

[Iron Duck]

Having a shufti at FR24 a bit before midnight last night I saw what claimed to be an N-reg Cessna 172 climb out of Luton and head west, ending up at FL380 and 450kt. Had me scratching my head a bit.

[DaveReidUK]

I'm not sure what it explains. :O

What you observed on FR24 was Miami Air B738 N732MA sending a duff ICAO24.

It's been about quite a bit over the last few days, probably doing Monarch repatriation flights.

[Skipness One Echo]

the lone 738 has now gone too from BHX - was a Pegasus a/c but it has not as yet gone back to them

Was the Turkish B737 re-registered before departure? FR24 still has it at BHX.

[LTNman]

Luton still has its 4 Monarch's at the airport.

[FL370 Officeboy]

The leasing companies are using their own pilots to ferry the aircraft. No Monarch pilots are doing this job.

I'm afraid you're incorrect. Numerous (ex) Monarch pilots are positioning these aircraft. Yes, of course they're no longer Monarch pilots but they were a few days ago and are now doing these flights effectively as a contractor for the lessor/administrator.

[student88]

The Monarch aircraft sat at Luton are waiting on paperwork, not because money is owed to LAA.

[jethro15]

Current Fleet Situation (http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/monarch_airlines.htm)

[rog747]

Was the Turkish B737 re-registered before departure? FR24 still has it at BHX.

i gather the 737 has gone to Maastricht

[DaveReidUK]

A bit of confusion here - yes, it's gone to Maastricht, but it didn't actually leave BHX until just after 8pm yesterday evening.

Noted on Mode S using its reg as Flight ID, so no indication of whose crew was flying it.

[rog747]

i was given duff gen that the 737 left a couple of days ago
- it left yesterday

[Hotel Tango]

B737 G-ZBAV departed Maastricht for Woensdrecht this morning. Presumably came to MST because Woensdrecht was closed by 6PM or so yesterday. Seems strange not to just fly BHX-WOE this morning.

[MKY661]

According to Jethro G-OZBW/BX G-ZBAD/AH/AM/AS, G-MARA & G-OJEG have been deregistered, but not sure what the new regs are for these aircraft, unless they've been kept the same.

[DaveReidUK]

According to Jethro G-OZBW/BX G-ZBAD/AH/AM/AS, G-MARA & G-OJEG have been deregistered, but not sure what the new regs are for these aircraft, unless they've been kept the same.

All the above were re-registered on 5-6/10 to assorted banks and lessors, but still with their original UK marks.

[Hotel Tango]

G-ZBAS is reported to be coming to Maastricht tonight.

[Wycombe]

G-ZBAO (was MON's youngest 321?) appears to have arrived at NQY this evening from MAN.

[Jersey32D]

G-ZBAE also arrived in NQY earlier this evening from MAN. Presume for m/x or storage with Apple Aviation.

[Hotel Tango]

FPL G-ZBAS now cancelled. Will now most probably position directly to Woensdrecht tomorrow (Tuesday).

[Wycombe]

Looks like G-ZBAM also en-route to NQY from BHX.

[crewmeal]

How many aircraft left at the bases now?

[MKY661]

Man:
G-ozbg

lba:
G-zbap

bhx:
G-ozbe
g-zbad

ltn:
G-ozbx
g-zbas

lgw:
G-ozbh
g-ozbo
g-ozbt
g-ozbu

[Zippy Monster]

G-ZBAS airborne out of LTN just now.

[Ian Burgess-Barber]

G-OZBX ex Luton heading for Shannon.

[MKY661]

G-OJEG on approach to Shannon

[Ian Burgess-Barber]

G-OZBE ex BHX heading for SNN

[UncleBulgaria]

Looks like G-ZBAG operated for BA on BA870 LHR-BUD on 9th October, but nothing since.

[MKY661]

G-MARA positioned LTN-SNN
G-OZBU has also left BHX this afternoon heading south

[DaveReidUK]

Looks like G-ZBAG operated for BA on BA870 LHR-BUD on 9th October

No, it didn't.

[LBIA]

G-OZBO left LGW for MPL this afternoon. Just 4x aircraft remain in position

LBA = G-ZBAP
LGW = G-OZBH, G-OZBT
MAN = G-OZBG

[MKY661]

G-OZBT & G-OZBH have departed LGW this evening. Only G-OZBG left.

[sparkie320]

A321 G-OZBG MAN
all remains

[PIK3141]

G-OZBH now resides in the Chevron hangar at Prestwick.

[dc9-32]

Here is G-OZBH

[sparkie320]

is G-OZBG still at Man
if so why not departed like the others

[Mr @ Spotty M]

One reason is MAN security keep refusing the engineers access to it, as it has been impounded.

[DaveReidUK]

One reason is MAN security keep refusing the engineers access to it, as it has been impounded.

If it's been impounded, it won't be going anywhere regardless of whether or not engineers are allowed to work on it.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes you are correct, but once it is released, it still wont be going anywhere because it has had no care of maintenance carried out on it.

[MKY661]

G-ZBAH has gone further on to Victorville. Isn't this another aircraft Graveyard?

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes this is, but also a good place to store a/c, unlike NQY.
It has a large maintenance facility which does care of maintenance along side other maintenance requirements. This is where Boeing have sent B787s in the past for modifications, some of the LOT B787s ended up having major Service Bulletin packages a few years back. :ok:

[DaveReidUK]

G-ZBAH has gone further on to Victorville. Isn't this another aircraft Graveyard?

Yes and no, aircraft have been known to re-emerge from there after maintenance and/or painting, including a couple of BA examples.

But most aircraft that land there never depart again - I suspect that a 16-year-old, 45,000-hour A320 will be one of those.

[MKY661]

G-OZBX positioned SNN-BHX today for Maintenance by the looks of things

[MKY661]

Hearing G-ZBAP is also for Scrapping at DGX, not 100% sure though.

[crewmeal]

Unless you're in the repro business.

https://www.pprune.org/spectators-balcony-spotters-corner/529459-repossessed-a320-s-turkey.html

[jethro15]

Current fleet (http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/monarch_airlines.htm) situation as of 12 July 18

[MKY661]

G-OZBO now only aircraft without a home