Dublin-3

[Cyrano]

Hainan is apparently reducing Dublin/Edinburgh/Beijin (https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/279760/hainan-airlines-w18-dublin-edinburgh-frequency-changes/)g from 4 per week to 3 per week for the winter (the Thursday flight goes away).

[Seljuk22]

German aviation forum "airliners.de" reports that Norwegian might step in and intents to become the largest low cost operator out of DUB
Norwegian möchte in Ryanair-Lücke springen - airliners.de (http://www.airliners.de/norwegian-ryanair-luecke/46092)

Looks like they prefer to be bought by FR rather than IAG...

[racedo]

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/kremlin-clears-aeroflot-s-budget-carrier-for-moscow-dublin-route-1.3575373

Flew with Pobeda a number of times during the world cup and found them to offer a good service.................... though VKO airport in Moscow is a nightmare waiting to happen with what looks like poor separation of aircraft and transit buses.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Luxair have announced LUX will be upgraded from a Dash to B737 in October, just as FR start the route.

German aviation forum "airliners.de" reports that Norwegian might step in and intents to become the largest low cost operator out of DUB
Norwegian möchte in Ryanair-Lücke springen - airliners.de (http://www.airliners.de/norwegian-ryanair-luecke/46092)

Looks like they prefer to be bought by FR rather than IAG...

They never planned to operate 30 aircraft over winter. They will be busy now that German and Dutch has backed action and apparently most German (80%) are directly employed by them making it the situation far worse than here.

On another note, CX A350 scheduled last Saturday has yet to fly back, 5 days an counting most be costing them.

[Una Due Tfc]

They had a 359 stranded in MAN for about 5 days last week due a hydraulic issue, hardly the same frame?

As regards FR, reap what you sow.

[Noxegon]

German aviation forum "airliners.de" reports that Norwegian might step in and intents to become the largest low cost operator out of DUB
Norwegian möchte in Ryanair-Lücke springen - airliners.de (http://www.airliners.de/norwegian-ryanair-luecke/46092)

Looks like they prefer to be bought by FR rather than IAG...

That would be wonderful. I can dream.

[mik3bravo]

German aviation forum "airliners.de" reports that Norwegian might step in and intents to become the largest low cost operator out of DUB
Norwegian möchte in Ryanair-Lücke springen - airliners.de (http://www.airliners.de/norwegian-ryanair-luecke/46092)

Looks like they prefer to be bought by FR rather than IAG...

Norwegian smells blood in the air and looks like they are attempting to eat into Ryanairs dominant position across Europe. Interesting development.

[Flightrider]

Is it not simply an extension of the policy that if you make a menace of yourself to enough people, one of them eventually will buy you out? They seem to be doing quite well on that front with both IAG and now Ryanair.

[toledoashley]

If Ryanair hold true to their word and scale back in markets where strikes take hold, then yes there could be an opportunity for another player. If that's Norwegian - good luck to them, easyJet tried (albeit small) in Ireland and failed.

[racedo]

Norwegian smells blood in the air and looks like they are attempting to eat into Ryanairs dominant position across Europe. Interesting development.

No chance................... they haven't got the cash.

[EI-A330-300]

They had a 359 stranded in MAN for about 5 days last week due a hydraulic issue, hardly the same frame?

As regards FR, reap what you sow.



It left last night. Was towed off the runway on arrival Saturday and they flew parts to fix but issues with them as well until more arrived on yesterdays scheduled flight.

Aviation Herald have a article
https://www.avherald.com/h?article=4bbaebf2&opt=0 (https://www.avherald.com/h?article=4bbaebf2&opt=0)

[spannersatcx]

There was an hydraulic issue on an A350 at MAN and an A350 at DUB, 2 different a/c and 2 completely unrelated causes.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Sounds like idle speculation but a person on social media seems to think American will add DFW-DUB/MUC in 2019. Not sure I see it but guess 3-4 weekly on the 787 could work.

https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1022669309615718401

[ia350]

Looks like the Moscow route is back with Aeroflot starting October 28th great to see !

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Daily from 28 October, didn't think there would be demand for a daily route...

[Alteagod]

Probably get a lot of transfer traffic to middle asia etc

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Dublin Airport has opened a new €16 million facility designed specifically for passengers who are transferring from one flight to another.

Built adjacent to Pier 4 close to Terminal 2, the new transfer area will greatly enhance Dublin Airport’s ability to compete for transfer traffic between Europe and North America and improve the quality of the product available for transferring passengers.

The new building has the capacity to welcome four times more connecting passengers than currently being handled, according to Dublin Airport Managing Director Vincent Harrison.

The new three-story facility comprises airline information desks, boarding card checkpoints, immigration and customs facilities for transfer passengers to complete a one-stop flight connection process within Pier 4. It also accommodates an additional access route for passengers bussed from other areas of the airport.


Eliminates standard security again.

Origin of traffic heavily ex US according to these stats:

Dublin Airport’s top five transatlantic connecting routes are as follows:

• Chicago – Heathrow

• Boston – Heathrow

• Boston – Paris CDG

• Amsterdam – New York JFK

• Boston – Manchester



https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-opens-new-transfer-facility

[PPRuNeUser0176]

July saw over 3.3 million passengers up 7%

European 1.8 million up 6%
UK 919,000 up 3%
Transatlantic 463,000 up 15%
Other Int 109,000 up 19%
Domestic 11,000 up 10%

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/july-was-dublin-airport's-busiest-month-ever

With FR strike coasting around 15-20,000 seats expected UK to drop.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

AA announce daily seasonal DFW.

Newsroom - American Airlines Expands European Footprintand Modifies Asia Service - American Airlines Group, Inc. (http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2018/American-Airlines-Expands-European-Footprint-and-Modifies-Asia-Service/)

[EI-A330-300]

AA announce daily seasonal DFW.

Newsroom - American Airlines Expands European Footprintand Modifies Asia Service - American Airlines Group, Inc. (http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2018/American-Airlines-Expands-European-Footprint-and-Modifies-Asia-Service/)

JFK has been cancelled by AA. DFW operated by B787-9

DFW-DUB
20.35-11.40
DUB-DFW
13.40-17.45

[Mr A Tis]

Last time i checked, Cathay business class was a grand (£1,000) cheaper out of DUB than MAN. Can’t be just the tax difference surely?
for the price conscious certainty worth hopping over to DUB.

[EI-A330-300]

Last time i checked, Cathay business class was a grand (£1,000) cheaper out of DUB than MAN. Can’t be just the tax difference surely?
for the price conscious certainty worth hopping over to DUB.


J going east has always been really competitive than going west. Perhaps a combination of a relatively new route and saturation in the market. UK J tax is £156?

Worth checking a sample of dates because it could be a case of high loads on a particularly date.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/rates-and-allowances-for-air-passenger-duty#rate-bands

[PDXCWL45]

JFK has been cancelled by AA. DFW operated by B787-9

DFW-DUB
20.35-11.40
DUB-DFW
13.40-17.45

JFK is still onsale on their website so it hasn't been cancelled and i'd be very surprised if AA cancelled their New York to Dublin route.

[EI-A330-300]

JFK is still onsale on their website so it hasn't been cancelled and i'd be very surprised if AA cancelled their New York to Dublin route.

AA won't update the website until the weekend if you go by how they did it before now. DUB-JFK was never a route important to AA, it was opened because they moved a B752 and not many places they could send it to instead.

[snn20]

AA won't update the website until the weekend if you go by how they did it before now. DUB-JFK was never a route important to AA, it was opened because they moved a B752 and not many places they could send it to instead.
Removing it on the 27th when schedules are loaded.

[owenc]

Wow Dallas. Congratulations!

[j636]

Really surprised they are deploying 789 over 788, they must be confident.

[Seat 2A]

Well it is the AA hub with large numbers of connections into under served West/Mid West US points and down into Central./South America

[Just a spotter]

IALPA/Fórsa has written to the government stating that the planned northern runway at Dublin will limit operations as it won't be long enough.In a letter seen by the Sunday Independent, IALPA's safety and technical director, Captain John Goss, said the length of an airport runway limited its connectivity.Capt Goss said pilots calculated the maximum possible take-off weight before each flight, but planes departing Dublin for the Far East would not be able to take off at full capacity owing to the length of the new northern runway. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pilots-fear-new-runway-is-too-short-37229607.html

JAS

[roverman]

IALPA/Fórsa has written to the government stating that the planned northern runway at Dublin will limit operations as it won't be long enough. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pilots-fear-new-runway-is-too-short-37229607.html

JAS
Pilots just like a lot of runway in front of them, Cathay seem to do OK off the existing runway at DUB which is shorter. SQ also manage the 13 hour MAN-SIN with an A350 off 23R which is 2897m declared TORA. These services wouldn't be operating if the payloads were uneconomic. We're not flying 747 Classics and DC-8s anymore. What's the problem?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

CX indicated they couldn't serve DUB 11 years ago because of the runway (4 Asian carriers were consulted by daa on runway size), yet the runway hasn't changed but aircraft technology has. Yes they are probally restricted in terms of payload but 3,100m should be more than sufficient.

Of the 4 the only other potential service would be SQ/Scoot on the B787 (FYI Scoot make Ryanair look like a 5 star carrier, they would be terrible here over SQ)

Pilots just like a lot of runway in front of them, Cathay seem to do OK off the existing runway at DUB which is shorter. SQ also manage the 13 hour MAN-SIN with an A350 off 23R which is 2897m declared TORA. These services wouldn't be operating if the payloads were uneconomic. We're not flying 747 Classics and DC-8s anymore. What's the problem?

Can CX do max mtow off MAN?

IALPA didn't raise such concerns in 2004 or more recently when the plans were revised in 2016 publicly. None of there pilots will ever get a chance to fly to Asia the way things are going. Something wrong when a union claims to have the nations interests at heart. The publicity stunt failed to gain any traction and it suddenly came out during a dispute with Ryanair which was heavily covered.

[waffler]

You are obviously not a pilot, so here’s some information for you.
At the moment, most long haul aircraft departing Dublin this summer cannot land safely back in Dublin if they have a serious problem after takeoff because of the runway length.
The longer the runway the safer an immediate return to landing because of the faster speeds on landing in most emergencies.
The longer runway means that the engines don’t have to produce full power on takeoff thus preserving the engine life and reducing the yaw produced by an engine failure.
a longer runway means no restrictions on passangers and freight carried, thus making the flight cheaper for the airlines.
If Dublin is serious about being a hub and creating more jobs for Irish pilots and other workers it needs the right infrastructure.
who remembers the M50 extra lane debacle.
So knowing this now, you may understand why IALPA seeks the longest runway it can get.

[Just a spotter]

IIRC,

the original planning permission from 2007, first submitted in 2004, was for 3,100m. Since then, the DAA has moved to a preference for a 3.660m build.

see the Capital Investment Plan 2010-2014

http://www.aviationreg.ie/_fileupload/Image/2009-03-02_DAA_CIP_2010-2014.pdf

section 8.1.3 Physical requirements of new runway, Page 51.

JAS

[PPRuNeUser0176]

You are obviously not a pilot, so here’s some information for you.
At the moment, most long haul aircraft departing Dublin this summer cannot land safely back in Dublin if they have a serious problem after takeoff because of the runway length.
The longer the runway the safer an immediate return to landing because of the faster speeds on landing in most emergencies.
The longer runway means that the engines don’t have to produce full power on takeoff thus preserving the engine life and reducing the yaw produced by an engine failure.
a longer runway means no restrictions on passangers and freight carried, thus making the flight cheaper for the airlines.
If Dublin is serious about being a hub and creating more jobs for Irish pilots and other workers it needs the right infrastructure.
who remembers the M50 extra lane debacle.
So knowing this now, you may understand why IALPA seeks the longest runway it can get.

I'm well aware aircraft generally opt for SNN when such problems. Should IALPA not be lobbying there employers who favor 3,110 over 3,600m.

[Una Due Tfc]

The A359 is the first ULR capable widebody that can get out of Dublin when wet, and that’s a crucial bit;wet. EK regularly have to offload up to 20T of cargo when the runway is wet.

The other crucial bit is high temps. The SFO and LAX 330s often have to offload in hot calm days too.

The 777x in all likelihood will not get off the new runway when wet at MTOW. So really if DUB are serious about getting Tokyo, Singapore or South America on the departure boards in future, it’ll be A359 or nothing.

[roverman]

The key question is this 'Is a 3600m runway essential for long haul or is it a nice-to-have?' If DUB already has commercially viable non-stop service to LAX and HKG off its current 2637m runway then a 3110m has got be a big improvement. MAN has at best 3200m (23L) with similar long sectors to DUB operating viably also from 23R (2897m). Additional runway length comes at a cost of tens of millions of Euros which has to be funded through airport charges and is of real value only on a few occasions each year. I have done Performance A training and I know all about flex thrust and variable V1 figures, but airports have to make commercially sound investment decisions. Runways much longer than 3000m are rarely needed with a low airport elevation and a Northern European climate.

[INKJET]

The key question is this 'Is a 3600m runway essential for long haul or is it a nice-to-have?' If DUB already has commercially viable non-stop service to LAX and HKG off its current 2637m runway then a 3110m has got be a big improvement. MAN has at best 3200m (23L) with similar long sectors to DUB operating viably also from 23R (2897m). Additional runway length comes at a cost of tens of millions of Euros which has to be funded through airport charges and is of real value only on a few occasions each year. I have done Performance A training and I know all about flex thrust and variable V1 figures, but airports have to make commercially sound investment decisions. Runways much longer than 3000m are rarely needed with a low airport elevation and a Northern European climate.

yes runways cost a lot to build and maintain, but a longer runway provides additional capacity by using intersection take offs, spend a day at LGW the worlds busiest single runway airport with A380,A350,A330, B789,777,747 and everything smaller thrown into the mix, of course rote structure plays a big part at LGW but even a wet 8c low pressure day at EDI will restrict the take off mass of a 738 MAX

[EI-A330-300]

The A359 is the first ULR capable widebody that can get out of Dublin when wet, and that’s a crucial bit;wet. EK regularly have to offload up to 20T of cargo when the runway is wet.

The other crucial bit is high temps. The SFO and LAX 330s often have to offload in hot calm days too.

The 777x in all likelihood will not get off the new runway when wet at MTOW. So really if DUB are serious about getting Tokyo, Singapore or South America on the departure boards in future, it’ll be A359 or nothing.




The newer A333 shouldn't have many problems heading to SFO with cargo?

In addition to A350, the B787s and A330 NEOs should be capable of fly most route at full or almost full MTOW.

In general max MTOW isn't possible from the vast majority of airports (ultra long route) across the globe. DUB will not fail to attache n airline who wants to serve with a runway of 3.110 or 3.600.

[Una Due Tfc]

The newer A333 shouldn't have many problems heading to SFO with cargo?

In addition to A350, the B787s and A330 NEOs should be capable of fly most route at full or almost full MTOW.

In general max MTOW isn't possible from the vast majority of airports (ultra long route) across the globe. DUB will not fail to attache n airline who wants to serve with a runway of 3.110 or 3.600.

I believe EI have the extra thrust “bump” package on their newer ones alright, it gives extra power but I also believe it seriously reduces inspection intervals when used, perhaps someone in here can clarify that.

As said above, the longer the runway the more capacity it provides. Narrowbodies can jump on and get going at an intersection whilst the heavies are still taxiing or lining up down the end, and tower controller can increase movement rate and reduce waiting times by tailoring the sequence of departures to have minimal wake turbulence delays. You want to minimize the instances of aircraft following ones of a higher wake category, so if you’ve got 3 320s/737s and 2 330s, send the 2 330s down the end, launch the narrowbodies off intersections and then send the 2 heavies out one after the other, otherwise the narrowbodies have to sit and wait for a couple of minutes for the wake from the heavy to dissipate.

The above situation is for single use runway ops ie departures only. Mixed ops allows arrivals to break up wake turbulence waits.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

daa have announced plans to spend €900 million by 2023 on new stands and piers at the airport.
* €500 million on southern side (T2 side) and €400 million on northern side (Ryanair area)
* Stands will increase from 112 to 147
* Enhance security, immigration and US immigration will be expanded

They will borrow money to fund it and not increase passenger charges because airlines could move aircraft and necessary to stave off competition from rival gateways in Britain and Europe. Indications T2 will get its new pier while T1 will get new pier via busing passengers

Full plans to be published next month.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/major-expansion-planned-for-dublin-airport-1.3621033

[EI-A330-300]

TAP appear to have confirmed there return after saying it was under consideration a few months ago. Not on sale yet.

[EI-A330-300]

TAP confirm 2 daily LIS operated by A319./320.

Depart LIS 07.05 and 14.00
Depart DUB 10,35 and 17.30

https://nit.pt/out-of-town/viagens/tap-vai-voar-telavive-dublin-basileia

[EI-A330-300]

Minneapolis starts 8 July operated by B752 - 6 weekly others say daily
DUB-MSP 14.10-16.55
MSP-DUB 19.00-08.40

Montreal, starts 8 August operated by A321LR - daily
DUB-YUL 18.50-20.50
YUL-DUB 22.20-09.40

[840]

Any thoughts on what will be done with the A321LR in the daytime?

It's too long a period to leave it lying idle, but the Malaga or Faro would probably strain the time a little too much, as any delay would be impossible to recover. Heathrow would be asking for trouble with slots and delays, while Schiphol or CDG are also risky.

Is there enough demand on routes like Nantes, Bordeaux or Toulouse to justify its use?

[Shamrock350]

I think CDG is a safe bet, last year management spoke of the A321LR's potential in offering a seamless product on key European routes to the US via Dublin and they would be considering a number of routes including London or Paris. I don't think it's a coincidence they've opted for Montreal as the launch route for the A321LR.

[EI-A330-300]

Over 3.2m in August up 6%

European 1.7m up 6%
UK 927k - no chnage (FR cancellations?)
Transatlantic 465k up 14%
Other Int 111k up 16%
Domestic 12k up 23%

2918 to date over 21.2m up 6%

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/busiest-august-ever-at-dublin-airport

[PPRuNeUser0176]

September up 7% to more than 2.9m

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/new-september-record-as-dublin-airport-welcomes-2.9-million-passengers

[Seljuk22]

Looks like DUB will end up with 31-31.5 million passenger for this year.

[Wycombe]

31-31.5 million passenger for this year

Astonishing really when you think that the population of the whole if the island of Ireland is under 6m. And that it's not the only Airport that serves them.

[Just a spotter]

Astonishing really when you think that the population of the whole if the island of Ireland is under 6m. And that it's not the only Airport that serves them.

Certainly is impressive.

FWIW, latest estimated population figures NI 1.87m (NISRA, June 2018), Ireland 4.85m (CSO, April 2018), so 6,72m overall. Still has a way to go to recover to the pre-famine high of 1841 with 8.2m-8.5m.

JAS

[PPRuNeUser0176]

West Jet have announced a new route to Calgary next summer.


eff 01JUN19 Calgary – Dublin (New route, 3 weekly; 2 weekly from 11SEP19)
WS006 YYC2045 – 1138+1DUB 789 367
WS005 DUB1345 – 1505YYC 789 147

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/280942/westjet-outlines-787-9-long-haul-and-new-calgary-europe-service-in-s19/

[Sober Lark]

Astonishing really when you think that the population of the whole if the island of Ireland is under 6m. And that it's not the only Airport that serves them.

Not really, there are many similar examples elsewhere. For instance Singapore an island country with a population of close to 6 million has an airport that handles 62 million.

[owenc]

Singapore is not in any way shape or form comparable to the Island of Ireland. Singapore is a city state, Ireland is a state.

It’s like comparing Portugal with London.

[840]

You really can't compare anywhere to Ireland. The closest you'll get is the North Island of New Zealand, where the land area is about 30% bigger, but the population is about 40% lower. But that doesn't have anywhere as heavily-populated as Europe on its doorstep, nor is it split between two states.

For what it's worth, Auckland handles about 20 million passengers, while a fairly sizable airport also exists in Wellington, which handles 6 million. They are about 600km apart though, so it's more like Cork Airport to City of Derry than Dublin to Belfast.

[Wycombe]

Not really, there are many similar examples elsewhere. For instance Singapore an island country with a population of close to 6 million has an airport that handles 62 million.
Sorry, don't see that SIN is a similar example. It's a fairly major long, medium and short-haul hub with one of the world's major long haul carriers based.

The only similarity is that a large Airport succeeds in a Country that has a much smaller domestic population than it's annual throughput. As you say, the same could be said of many.

Anyway, was just trying to be positive about what's been achieved at DUB.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

FR summer 2019 schedule includes (some announced) new routes:

Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Cagliari, Frankfurt, Gothenburg, Lourdes, Luxembourg, London Southend and Thessaloniki. Takes total routes to over 100.

[akerosid]

Sadly, it appears that Cello Aviation has ceased trading today.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8960588

[Seljuk22]

Ethiopian will end ADD-DUB-LAX in mid December
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281070/ethiopian-airlines-ends-los-angeles-service-in-mid-dec-2018/


DUB flights will be routed as ADD-MAD-DUB eff 15th December without local traffic rights on MAD-DUB.

[Blakedean]

TEthiopian will end ADD-DUB-LAX in mid December
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/281070/ethiopian-airlines-ends-los-angeles-service-in-mid-dec-2018/


DUB flights will be routed as ADD-MAD-DUB eff 15th December without local traffic rights on MAD-DUB.
Apparently there’s been an update ADD-DUB-LAX will continue now as well as the new ADD-MAD-DUB flights, the LAX flight now becoming another pit stopper.

[Una Due Tfc]

Yeah, it appears they’re just no longer picking up pax in DUB in either direction on the LAX flight and are instead routing Irish pax to ADD via MAD. Serious downgrade in convenience for those heading to Africa, ADD got you pretty much anywhere in one stop, now it’s 2.

[Alteagod]

Was the whole point of the operation to be just fuel stops.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Was the whole point of the operation to be just fuel stops.

The fuel stop deal was agreed after they applied and were granted the rights to ADD-DUB-LAX. Not a total surprise its gone poor timings, little brand awareness and most importantly Aer Lingus came back onto LAX as they started.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Air Canada to replace B737 max with A330-300 on YUL next year.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

LH add 3rd daily MUC next summer which will night stop in DUB.

[blaggerman]

Apparently there’s been an update ADD-DUB-LAX will continue now as well as the new ADD-MAD-DUB flights, the LAX flight now becoming another pit stopper.
The LAX route won't be via Dublin at all. It will route via Togo instead.

[Blakedean]

The LAX route won't be via Dublin at all. It will route via Togo instead.
But when the changes were originally announced it was to still go Via DUB.

So with LH adding another MUC flight & AC upgauging, who do we think will be the next to add either frequencies or a new flight?

[snn20]

It’s going via Togo with fifth freedom between Togo and LAX.

[akerosid]

Pity to see them end that route, but when you've got to go, you've got Togo.

Good that they'll be sticking with DUB and having a one stop via MAD; I think that there is considerable potential for traffic from Dublin to Africa, so hopefully in time, this can become a nonstop again.

[Una Due Tfc]

DL upgrades from B752 to B763 next year on BOS-DUB

AC mainline A333 replaces Rouge B763 on YVR-DUB

[ia350]

More than 2.8 million passengers travelled through Dublin Airport in October, which was a 9% increase on the same month last year. The increase in passenger numbers made it the busiest October in Dublin Airport’s 78-year history.

The number of passengers flying to and from continental Europe increased by 8%, as almost 1.5 million passengers travelled to and from European destinations in October.

More than 877,000 passengers travelled to and from UK destinations last month, a 4% increase compared to October last year.

Transatlantic traffic to North America increased by 17%, with almost 390,000 passengers travelling on this route sector last month.

The number of passengers travelling to other international destinations in the Middle East, Africa and the Asia Pacific regions increased by 19%, with almost 83,000 passengers flying to these routes in October.

More than 9,600 passengers travelled on domestic routes last month, which was a 21% increase when compared to the same month last year.

Dublin Airport has welcomed almost 27 million passengers in the first 10 months of the year, a 6% increase over the same period in 2017. More than 1.6 million extra passengers have travelled through the airport between January and October.

So far this year, the number of passengers connecting through Dublin Airport to another destination has increased by 18%, with almost 1.6 million passengers connecting at the airport between January and October.

Dublin Airport has flights to almost 190 destinations in 43 countries, operated by 56 airlines



Went to L.A. last month with Aer lingus and was full again both ways .

[840]

There's still some amount of uncertainty over Aer Lingus's plans for next summer. There are rumours of two 737s that are being leased. Also the Shannon timetable currently suggests an aircraft based in Malaga for the summer period (probably only possible with a wet lease). Seeing that there can be up to seven flights a day to Malaga from Dublin, Cork, Shannon and Belfast, it could make sense and allow freeing up of aircraft across bases rather than putting all the extra capacity in one location.

It still is a case of Watch this Space.

[NorthernCounties]

I happened to see a KLM 747 (PH-BFU) on approach this morning to Dublin at 08:30. A diversion enroute from JFK to AMS, I´m guessing a medical emergency whilst it was somewhere over Galway.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

United to fly B787-10 from 22 May replacing B777.

[Una Due Tfc]

Westjet switch from daily B737 to YYT to daily B38M to YHZ next summer

[owenc]

Disappointing to lose St Johns.

[Avnu]

Here's hoping Aer Lingus will fill that void. If they can make it work yield wise, Dublin to St. John's - a mere 2049 miles - wouldn't be the worst use of those shiny new A321neo's.

[AirportPlanner1]

I have a meeting near LPL and after taking a speculative look out of interest found I can fly back to STN (which I live near) via DUB and it only takes about 50 minutes longer door-door than if I went back into the centre of Liverpool and got the train. At £24 it’s much cheaper!

If you arrive into DUB with FR from the UK, can you simply transfer airside to another FR UK flight without being funnelled out and then back going through security etc? I’ve not been to DUB for perhaps 15 years so not sure of set up. There is an hour between flights.

[Noxegon]

No, you can't transfer airside – you'll have to clear passport control and go through security again.

You might manage that in an hour, but I think that's pretty risky myself – in a worst case scenario you'd have to walk ~800 metres after landing, clear formalities, and do the same in reverse – and if your inbound flight is even remotely late you'll be snookered.

[lfc84]

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-connections/self-connecting-passenger-information

[lfc84]

Have a look at the following:

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-connections/self-connecting-passenger-information

https://www.dublinairport.com/docs/default-source/default-document-library/dublin-airport-flight-connection-guide.pdf?sfvrsn=2

https://daa-transfers.appspot.com/ng-view/start

[davidjpowell]

I have a meeting near LPL and after taking a speculative look out of interest found I can fly back to STN (which I live near) via DUB and it only takes about 50 minutes longer door-door than if I went back into the centre of Liverpool and got the train. At £24 it’s much cheaper!

If you arrive into DUB with FR from the UK, can you simply transfer airside to another FR UK flight without being funnelled out and then back going through security etc? I’ve not been to DUB for perhaps 15 years so not sure of set up. There is an hour between flights.

i don’t see that doable. Certainly by fast track security from the airport if you are going to try it. Biggest risk is immigration plus the Ryan air gates can be a ten minute walk there and again back...

[AirportPlanner1]

Thanks, it wasn’t to be. If the connection was much longer it would make the option less attractive anyway.

Perhaps if Ryanair start official connections in future there might be some takers for routes between U.K. points that aren’t great by train

[mart901]

Anyone know when Norwegian will put later dates for sale for SWF, i. e. last week in October ? Thanks in advance.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

November saw 2.1m up 7% taking the year to date figure to 29.2m which indicates 31.3-5m in 2018 up from 29.5m.

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/busiest-december-ever-at-dublin-airport

[mart901]

Did I miss something or have AA pulled JFK for next year?

[ia350]

That's correct but they've added Dallas in June .

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Did I miss something or have AA pulled JFK for next year?

Yeah dropped for DFW, the route came about after BRU-JFK was axed and B752 options were limited.

[mart901]

Right I didn't know. Looking end of October and waiting for Norwegian to go on sale. Currently way cheaper from BHD via LHR but hoping on a direct flight under the £300 mark.
​​​

[Rutan16]

Right I didn't know. Looking end of October and waiting for Norwegian to go on sale. Currently way cheaper from BHD via LHR but hoping on a direct flight under the £300 mark.
​​​

At dollar pound parity could be hard pushed in the coming months.

Suggest you keep an eye on the consolidators about 6 to 8 weeks out because there will almost certainly be significant fare dumping in the Q3 period of 2019 especially via the UK with or without air departure duty.

Recession IS an inevitable consequence of a certain event in March combined with notable slowing also being recorded across the EU and even signs of weakness in the US .

[Rutan16]

As for Dublin - Dallas remain to be convinced of the business case to be honest.

Are there really that many that somehow need to connect to for instance Tallahassee, Killine, Amarillo and the other similar forty or so mid state towns that make up the main points from Dallas. It might claim to be among the most connected on the planet however the VAST majority of the routes are simply feeders into the big city and a railway type regional hub of rather insignificant global importance. Yeah i”ll wait for the bashing from Texans but just look at the rather limited number of international routes that actually exist.
Over on the Blueish site they have a thread on the monthly foreign long hauls and frankly the numbers are laughable.

[Noxegon]

I will use it regularly. I'm headed for Austin, but I'll take a non-stop flight and a three hour drive over a connection any day of the week.

[mart901]

At dollar pound parity could be hard pushed in the coming months.

Suggest you keep an eye on the consolidators about 6 to 8 weeks out because there will almost certainly be significant fare dumping in the Q3 period of 2019 especially via the UK with or without air departure duty.

Recession IS an inevitable consequence of a certain event in March combined with notable slowing also being recorded across the EU and even signs of weakness in the US .



Cheers I'll keep all that in mind

[Blakedean]

Read on another forum earlier that Air Baltic are returning, 4 per week to Riga. Be nice to see another A220 in, the Swiss ones are getting boring now ;-)

[CCFAIRPORT]

It s confirmed !
Dublin - riga 4pw Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun
31/03/2019

Dep 0730 Arr 0835
Dep 0915 Arr 1410

[PPRuNeUser0176]

QR increase from 7 to 11 weekly in July/August and September next summer.

[EI-BUD]

As for Dublin - Dallas remain to be convinced of the business case to be honest.

Are there really that many that somehow need to connect to for instance Tallahassee, Killine...
Rutan16,
Any point served in North America by a network carrier will do well. The amount of connecting passengers is incredible, coming from all over the country to Dublin, and from Dublin originating pax who can connect there.

AA being the big network carrier at DFW will already carry plenty of passengers on this link. They have access to industry data showing the level of revenue and pax on DUB DFW... these guys take very calculated risks, they wouldn't be investing a 787 into this launch unless there was a solid business rationale to do so... let's hope..

[red.sky@night]

Tech ( Dell et al ) needs DFW DUB. ( Similar reasoning to SEA DUB ).

[PPRuNeUser0176]

31.5m for 2018 up 6% (1.9m).

Europe 16.3m up 7%
UK 10.1m up 1%
N America 4m up 16%
Middle East/Asia 1m up 17%

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-sets-new-passenger-record-2

[PPRuNeUser0176]

HU to apparently fly twice weekly to Shenzen starting 25 Feb. They were on sale but quickly removed. Interestig one if it goes ahead.


https://kucinta-setia.********.com/2019/01/hainan-airlines-launches-flight-from.html?m=1

[Noxegon]

Wonder if this is paired with a reduced PEK frequency?

[inOban]

On the other hand, they're launching a PEK to OSL service 3/wk, which would mean a daily westbound flight from PEK.

[positive]

[QUOTE=EI-EIDW;10364895]HU to apparently fly twice weekly to Shenzen starting 25 Feb. They were on sale but quickly removed. Interestig one if it goes ahead.

Bookable again on their website.....

[BAladdy]

[QUOTE=EI-EIDW;10364895]HU to apparently fly twice weekly to Shenzen starting 25 Feb. They were on sale but quickly removed. Interestig one if it goes ahead.

Bookable again on their website.....


Only bookable until 29MAR19.

[840]

Shenzhen isn’t exactly brilliant for connections to locations other than China. There’s hardly that much demand when Shanghai is still not served and the major hub of Hong Kong has only recently got a service?

[Una Due Tfc]

So they've launched a flight to Shenzen with roughly 5 weeks notice, twice per week and only running for 2 months? No wonder the whole group is going under.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

So they've launched a flight to Shenzen with roughly 5 weeks notice, twice per week and only running for 2 months? No wonder the whole group is going under.

Looks like summer schedule not loaded but starting in 5 weeks shows poor planning.

[Sober Lark]

Looks like summer schedule not loaded but starting in 5 weeks shows poor planning.

Perhaps it was well planned and promoted to the 12 million citizens of Shenzen?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Perhaps it was well planned and promoted to the 12 million citizens of Shenzen?

Prehaps.

Apparently slot issues are the reasons summer 19 not released yet.

[CabinCrewe]

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/282542/hainan-airlines-adds-shenzhen-dublin-tel-aviv-in-late-feb-2019/
I thought PEK wasnt exactly a rip roaring success (based purely on awkward double drop CAA stats). Seems odd to be launching another at such short notice.
Any bets on what they'll still be running in a years time?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

They are also bringing back the larger B789 next summer based on PEK schedules.

[Plane mad 134]

Will that be on all flights, Edinburgh included?

[GayFriendly]

I agree - on the face this appears to be an odd route.

I have just returned from a trip to that very city: it is extremely prosperous with a strong propensity for outbound travel, is growing and developing very quickly and is the Chinese version of 'Silicon Valley'.

With a new fast train link to HK, you can be in Kowloon in around 20 minutes from Shenzhen. It could then have potential but.....you don't need a Chinese visa to land into HK whereas you do for Shenzhen (even if you are then going straight to HK on the train) and onward flight connections from Shenzhen are fairly limited apart from domestic routes, we all know that you can get virtually anywhere from HK!

Shenzhen Airport is well designed and I found a breeze to get through, even Immigration, perhaps I was lucky!

But it is still an oddball route. However, I can highly recommend Shenzhen for a visit though (as part of a trip to China) - great food, cheap 5 star hotels and a fair bit to see and do in the vicinity. Climate is very nice - it was 22 degrees when I was there before Christmas! Whether all this is enough for this to be a sustainable routes, let's see, but does it have potential as an alternative entry point to China??

[mart901]

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/unions-reject-norwegian-s-cost-cutting-plan-for-dublin-base-1.3767177?mode=amp

[CabinCrewe]

Can any loads be extrapolated from the UK CAA figures for the Hainan PEK route?

[840]

You can pull figures from June to September from the CSO

https://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=CTM01&PLanguage=0

However, it's not clear to me how they treat the passengers on the flights that stop in EDI.

If they are excluded, the figures look quite good. If they aren't, they are very ugly.

[ia350]

Anyone hear the figures for January?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Anyone hear the figures for January?

2.1m up 5%

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/record-january-at-dublin-airport

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Aer Lingus cancel YUL until 2020 and reduce BDL, MSP, PHL (SNN-JFK) in July due to A321 delivery delays.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Any idea of the frequency reductions?


They are down at least 7 weekly flights. Not looked yet.

[snn20]

Ludicrous Shannon is being affected by this a321 issue. Shannon wasn’t due to receive any a321s in the short term, yet again dead legs to Dublin. Can’t see how this is in any way viable yet it continues to happen.
The aircraft is going to be used for MSP. Shannon will never be prioritized unfortunately

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Quiet a busy Feb with over 2 million up 9%

Europe 1m up 12%
UK 765k up 4%
N American 175k up 15%
Other Int 62k up 2% - quiet a lot of capacity additions/reductions verses 2018.
Domestic 7k down 16%

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/new-february-record-at-dublin-airport

Norwegian
B789 - Operating SWF (PVD pax bused) until 30 April. Current schedules from 1 May have 3 instead of 4 aircraft planned with SWF reduced from 14 to 10 weekly, while YHW delayed until 1 May and reduced from 7 to 4 weekly. All bookings are essentially suspended for the summer unless you think €1200-14000 is good value for a return trip until they know whats happening.

Aer Lingus
A321 delays have resulted in approx 50,000 seats removed for S19.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Hearing whispers one of the TATL carriers are mulling over a new service and its not Aer Lingus.

[2Para]

Hearing whispers one of the TATL carriers are mulling over a new service and its not Aer Lingus.
air canada would be my bet

[EI-BUD]

Or maybe a certain other US carrier big at JFK who will make an announcement on April 10th, though I think that will concern a London route more than Dublin...

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Its an existing carrier so not JetBlue and the route might be already served which means it might not happen....

[840]

I presume Air Canada would only look to route to one of their hubs, but they have service to three of them and Calgary would seem a stretch, considering WestJet already serve it and it's not the best location for connections.

WestJet themselves could perhaps see potential in Edmonton or Winnipeg, but as an airline that has 10% of its fleet as 737Maxs, I'd be surprised to see any immediate expansion.

Then of the three bis US carriers, Delta to Detroit, United to Houston or American to Phoenix could all make some kind of sense.

[Blakedean]

Interesting talk of a new TATL route & Air Canada mentioned. There was some sort of private event in the lighthouse cinema on Wednesday night that involved Air Canada.

[2Para]

Is Atlanta or SLC served?

[VG31]

Is Atlanta or SLC served?

DL fly to Atlanta.

[EI-BUD]

What are the implications for the Dublin/Cardiff route as a result of Flybe's closing of the base?

It seems while they will close the base, they must fly to Cardiff from other bases. Dublin has an early morning flight, and feeds transatlantic connections. If this comes over to Stobart/Aer Lingus Regional, it is unlikely it would have an early flight owing to the lack of slots...

[PDXCWL45]

What are the implications for the Dublin/Cardiff route as a result of Flybe's closing of the base?

It seems while they will close the base, they must fly to Cardiff from other bases. Dublin has an early morning flight, and feeds transatlantic connections. If this comes over to Stobart/Aer Lingus Regional, it is unlikely it would have an early flight owing to the lack of slots...

I can't see them carrying it on as it would require a W pattern, i'd imagine that the airport will either try and get Aer Lingus back with the Regional product or try and get Ryanair to take over the route. When Aer Lingus Regional did operate the route before it was 2 daily in the week at least with the morning arrival at 08.25 and the departure at 08.50 and the night arrival at 20.35 and departure at 21.00 whether Aer Lingus would be interested again? But Dublin did see 108,275 passengers on it in 2018.

[owenc]

Dublin not so cheap to fly from anymore. £600:£700 return flights to America this summer?

Used to be £400.

[mart901]

Dublin not so cheap to fly from anymore. £600:£700 return flights to America this summer?

Used to be £400.
That's a very ambiguous statement where are you looking to fly to? Don't forget Norwegian is knocked out of the equation at the moment

[ia350]

Dublin not so cheap to fly from anymore. £600:£700 return flights to America this summer?

Used to be £400.

Any little bit of negative news and you lot are straight in here ,600 to 700 is still decent, I got a pretty good deal in september a multi round trip for 715 ,to the west coast plus a domestic flight.

[owenc]

Not for an economy fare.

[mart901]

£340 return to Newark in October, I thought pretty decent

[chuboy]

Any little bit of negative news and you lot are straight in here ,600 to 700 is still decent, I got a pretty good deal in september a multi round trip for 715 ,to the west coast plus a domestic flight.

High fares means yields will be better which is excellent news for the airlines on the route and therefore the airport :confused:

[racedo]

Dublin not so cheap to fly from anymore. £600:£700 return flights to America this summer?

Used to be £400.

Dub to NYC 7th to 21st August £430................... and not really looked that hard either.

[2Para]

Got a good deal, BHD-LHR-JFK mid dec for under€370

[cuthere]

Got a good deal, BHD-LHR-JFK mid dec for under€370

Aye. Grand.

[owenc]

Got a good deal, BHD-LHR-JFK mid dec for under€370
BHD to ORD is £900 in July. Scandalous!!

[SWBKCB]

BHD to ORD is £900 in July. Scandalous!!

Get a grip, mate. You'll want paying to fly next...

[racedo]

BHD to ORD is £900 in July. Scandalous!!

Well if you will fly from really really small minor airports, what do you expect ?

[2Para]

Well if you will fly from really really small minor airports, what do you expect ?
it is called a feeder service, friend.

[Fairdealfrank]

BHD to ORD is £900 in July. Scandalous!!

Think the key word here is "JULY"

[Dontgothere]

Oh pay him no notice lads, same s**t different year.

[racedo]

it is called a feeder service, friend.

He can get a bus to Dublin and save money. His choice.

[owenc]

Think the key word here is "JULY"
pretty sure £900 for a return TATL fare is beyond the fare.

[owenc]

Oh pay him no notice lads, same s**t different year.
who’s him? You? Lad.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

March traffic up 8% to 2.5m

European up 11% to 1.2m
UK up 7% to 861k
Transatlantic up 11% to 285k
M East down 8% to 72k - ET, EY cuts and very poor loads on HU new route.
Domestic up 3% to 8k

Over 6.5m year to date up 8% (460k).

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/record-2.5-million-passengers-at-dublin-airport-in-march

[NorthernCounties]

Just seen the Hainan Airlines aircraft to Shenzhen fly by my office - any idea how it's doing?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Just seen the Hainan Airlines aircraft to Shenzhen fly by my office - any idea how it's doing?

Loads are very poor but not a suprise given the sudden announcement. It might pick up over the summer.

[EI-BUD]

Loads are very poor but not a suprise given the sudden announcement. It might pick up over the summer.
Shenzen is a response to Cathay's Hong Kong increase in frequency. Shenzen is close enough to Hong Kong.

​​​​​​What I understand is that Cathay are doing well from a revenue perspective, with good loads in business too, and Hainan getting soft uptake in business class...
​​​

[EI-BUD]

EY had 787-10 in this morning... good sign, though demand probably higher due Easter.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Shenzen is a response to Cathay's Hong Kong increase in frequency. Shenzen is close enough to Hong Kong.

​​​​​​What I understand is that Cathay are doing well from a revenue perspective, with good loads in business too, and Hainan getting soft uptake in business class...
​​​

Not sure Cathay have increased capacity since launch but its going to happen shortly. Shenzen has had 10-30 on some flights.

[Asturias56]

Can anyone explain why? Arrived at Dublin on EI from LHR, parked out near T2. All get off the plane, walk on foot into the (totally empty) terminal, directed left to wards the east end, exit outside again and board a bus which then takes forever to drive right round the airport and drop us off next to the US immigration area - about 300 m from our aircraft.... I mean - why not a bus direct from the plane to the gate???

last time I saw something like that was at Dubai

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Can anyone explain why? Arrived at Dublin on EI from LHR, parked out near T2. All get off the plane, walk on foot into the (totally empty) terminal, directed left to wards the east end, exit outside again and board a bus which then takes forever to drive right round the airport and drop us off next to the US immigration area - about 300 m from our aircraft.... I mean - why not a bus direct from the plane to the gate???

last time I saw something like that was at Dubai

Because its a shuttle bus service for all flights, its much more effective when there are multiple flights arriving or departing as happens most of the time.

[Asturias56]

Pretty Third World (or Aberdeen) IMHO - this is the 21st Century - buses should be an emergency measure only. The SLF , as usual, come way down the line cp "financial considerations"

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Pretty Third World (or Aberdeen) IMHO - this is the 21st Century - buses should be an emergency measure only. The SLF , as usual, come way down the line cp "financial considerations"

New pier will replace the facility by Q2 2023.

[Una Due Tfc]

I see ET have secured 5th freedom rights on DUB-MAD. Could be worth doing if the price is right vs IB, EI & FR. A modern widebody with complimentary meals etc.

[Plane mad 134]

Qatar to increase to 11x weekly from 1st of July next summer, all operated by B787-8.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

LH schedule A340-300 on Wednesdays 3rd July-23rd October on the 12.10 to FRA.

[sinbad73]

I have read elsewhere that PEK-DUB/EDI HU service looks like it is for the chop - last flight from PEK 31st August.

[Plane mad 134]

Reported on Edinburgh thread that Hainan Beijing service is back on sale.

[mart901]

See that UA's EWR service is 787-10 from Thursday. Looking forward to flying on it later this year.

[840]

The aircraft may be nice, but you'll still be flying with United...

[owenc]

Why is westjet so expensive?

[SWBKCB]

Why is westjet so expensive?

Define expensive?

[owenc]

2400 Canadian dollars for a return flights in economy (x2).

I am getting American Airlines premium economy for £1200 return

[mart901]

The aircraft may be nice, but you'll still be flying with United...
Both will be a new experience, having used Norwegian I can't imagine anything much more basic and that was fine. Reality is nowadays we sit on a low cost airline for 5 hours to say Cyprus with no inflight meal or entertainment, no free hold baggage, no free allocated seats, what's so different when we spend an extra hour or so to the US?

[brian_dromey]

Why are you comparing direct and indirect flights in two currencies, in different classes? There are so many variables as to make the comparison pointless. Are you looking to fly premium Economy and accept a one/two stop route or do you value your time and want a non-stop flight?

Fundamentally AA are neither an Irish or Canadian airline and don't have a non-stop flight between the nations or an alliance partner in either country. They have no ability to command a high fare in this specific circumstance. WS have an advantage of recognition in their home market and their large FFP base.

[owenc]

I’m not? The AA flight is premium economy return to Chicago (x2). The Westjet flight is economy return (x2) to Halifax in a 737.

Significant difference in price, hence the question. I have never seen TATL £1200 for economy.

[SWBKCB]

Significant difference in price

Yes, for two completely different things.... Google "Supply and Demand"

[owenc]

Anyone else think a £1100 return economy fare is justified?

[Una Due Tfc]

Anyone else think a £1100 return economy fare is justified?

If they're filling the plane then obviously it is. Fair play to them.

[owenc]

Seems excessive for a 2500 mile flight. Would say you are being pedantic.

not many will agree.

[chuboy]

Seems excessive for a 2500 mile flight. Would say you are being pedantic.

not many will agree.
Airfares are not paid for by the mile. You're not buying shaved ham at the deli.

[owenc]

Well i’ve yet to see a transatlantic return in economy going for any more than £800.

[chuboy]

Well i’ve yet to see a transatlantic return in economy going for any more than £800.
Some people want to do more than fly across the Atlantic, they specifically want to get to Halifax as fast as possible.

[tom1975]

Seems excessive for a 2500 mile flight. Would say you are being pedantic.

It's clear that you don't understand yield or revenue management. This is what I do for a living, pricing structures are demand driven, the higher the demand, the higher the price! It's a basic supply and demand, while you might think this the price is excessive, others are happy to pay it to get a direct flight. Fair play to them!!

If you're not happy to pay that price, look for something cheaper, there are plenty of alternatives.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Well i’ve yet to see a transatlantic return in economy going for any more than £800.
Congratulations on your first transatlantic booking owenc :p

[owenc]

Thanks for the dig- but no.

[PDXCWL45]

Well i’ve yet to see a transatlantic return in economy going for any more than £800.

It depends where you are flying to and from and who you fly wiith. I often fly to Oregon on the west coast of the USA from Cardiff and in general it costs me between £800 and £1100 with KLM or Aer Lingus depending on the time of year and how far i book in advance and Heathrow is no cheaper a lot of the time.

[alserire]

New/more e-gates at Dublin.

It'll be great if they're all actually operational at any one time.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

April passenger numbers of 2.8 million up 7%
https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/new-april-record-with-2.8-million-passengers

May passenger numbers almost 3 million up 4%
https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/record-may-at-dublin-airport

Total traffic year to date over 12.3 million up 7% (764,000)

[Charlie Roy]

I often fly to Oregon on the west coast of the USA from Cardiff and in general it costs me between £800 and £1100 with KLM or Aer Lingus

I regularly need to fly from Brussels to Atlanta for work. Since we're talking sterling, mostly a return fare is north of £1000.
So instead I book Brussels - Atlanta - Buenos Aires - Atlanta - Brussels: same flights, but with a couple of extra flights thrown in: £500.
My work saves £500, and I get to visit Argentina for free :O

Once I got a fare Brussels - Atlanta - Los Angeles - Sydney - Brisbane - Los Angeles - Atlanta - Brussels for a little over £1000, but it was still cheaper than Brussels - Atlanta - Brussels.

Sorry that's all off topic.
Back on topic: some great traffic figures for Dublin!

[Seljuk22]

Dreamliners have also been deployed to London and Rome, and still to come this year, Etihad will introduce these aircraft to markets including Frankfurt, Milan, Dublin, Johannesburg and Lagos.
https://www.etihad.com/en/about-us/etihad-news/archive/2019/etihad-airways-introduces-larger-aircraft-to-accommodate-growth-of-three-key-asian-routes/

[Una Due Tfc]

https://www.etihad.com/en/about-us/etihad-news/archive/2019/etihad-airways-introduces-larger-aircraft-to-accommodate-growth-of-three-key-asian-routes/

The ETD B789 and B78K have been operating out of DUB for months no?

[ia350]

Heard a few people saying EI might cut LAX ? Surly this can't be thru , used this route the last 3 years and again in september ,

[PDXCWL45]

Heard a few people saying EI might cut LAX ? Surly this can't be thru , used this route the last 3 years and again in september ,
They are supposed to be moving terminals to the International one I believe.

[irishlad06]

Heard a few people saying EI might cut LAX ? Surly this can't be thru , used this route the last 3 years and again in september ,

i think your getting confused with “LAX” as in EI-LAX the aircraft as this is soon possibly being scrapped and replaced.

[Una Due Tfc]

Los Angeles the route is extremely successful and is being upgauged from A332 to A333

EI-LAX the aircraft is the oldest A330 still in the fleet (1999 build) and there is talk it may be scrapped as 2 brand new HGW A333s are being delivered over the winter and one may just be used as a replacement.

[ia350]

Apologies for the confusion was worried there for a second lol how about Seattle ? going there next month, heard it might even be going double daily next year !!

[Shamrock350]

I'd be very surprised to see Seattle go double daily any time soon, the most likely west coast destination to go double daily would be San Francisco.

Seattle does appear to be doing very well though, it'll probably see the A333 more often now that additional HGW versions are on the way.

[Cyrano]

RoutesOnline (https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285765/hainan-airlines-closes-shenzhen-dublin-reservations-from-sep-2019/) says "Hainan Airlines closes Shenzhen – Dublin reservations from Sep 2019"

"Hainan Airlines in the last few days filed inventory changes, as the airline closed reservation for Shenzhen – Dublin route. Last flight is scheduled on 30AUG19."

[positive]

RoutesOnline (https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285765/hainan-airlines-closes-shenzhen-dublin-reservations-from-sep-2019/) says "Hainan Airlines closes Shenzhen – Dublin reservations from Sep 2019"

"Hainan Airlines in the last few days filed inventory changes, as the airline closed reservation for Shenzhen – Dublin route. Last flight is scheduled on 30AUG19."
No real surprise here as the loads have been reported as extremely low by various sources, but on the positive side the Cathy route to HK appears to be doing well.

[840]

I’d love to see what the airline projected for the route, as I was skeptical of this one from the moment of the announcement. There is a Dublin-China market, but it’s to Hong Kong, Shanghai and Beijing, not Shenzhen.

[akerosid]

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0813/1068612-norwegian-air-to-discontinue-transatlantic-routes/

Sad news; the Max issues are of course a key factor and the cost of hiring the Evelop A330 must be fairly high (even though it is more often than not full), but even if the Maxes were still operating as normal, would the service have been sustainable?

[1sky]

Well that really didn't last long.

[EISNN]

Is it just Irish bases that have been affected? Maybe I’m wrong but I thought that they gained their Irish AOC by operating flights from Ireland. Does this mean they lose that AOC also?

[Cyrano]

Is it just Irish bases that have been affected? Maybe I’m wrong but I thought that they gained their Irish AOC by operating flights from Ireland. Does this mean they lose that AOC also?
I think the promise of flights from Ireland (especially Cork) helped the lobbying effort to get their US Foreign Air Carrier Permit in the face of some of the US unions, but I'm not sure that it was linked to the AOC - do Norwegian's Ireland-North America flights even use their Irish AOC?

[racedo]

Is it just Irish bases that have been affected? Maybe I’m wrong but I thought that they gained their Irish AOC by operating flights from Ireland. Does this mean they lose that AOC also?

Wonder now about those claiming MOL was lying when he was indicating things are going to be bad in the airline industry very soon.

[CabinCrewe]

If Hainan EDI rumoured to have a seasonal return S20 will it still be a bolt on DUB triangle route to bolster prospects?
Lets hope all the chopping and changing, late opening of reservations and previous dire loads mean this isn't a dead 'Peking' Duck .

[VickersVicount]

...oh surely that is not getting dredged up again? What were the average loads?

[PPRuNeUser0176]

If Hainan EDI rumoured to have a seasonal return S20 will it still be a bolt on DUB triangle route to bolster prospects?
Lets hope all the chopping and changing, late opening of reservations and previous dire loads mean this isn't a dead 'Peking' Duck .

I believe the direct DUB-PEK were regularly carrying 80% LF, no idea about yield.

No idea about it returning, I think they either need to commit to a direct service or don't bother.

[Just a spotter]

Being reported that El Al are to start a DUB service.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/el-al-to-open-new-european-routes-including-dublin-460513/

JAS (https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/el-al-to-open-new-european-routes-including-dublin-460513/)

[Plane mad 134]

EL AL to start 3x weekly Tel Aviv from next spring.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

CX will suspend Hong Kong over winter.

[Una Due Tfc]

CX will suspend Hong Kong over winter.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cathay-pacific-demand/cathay-pacific-to-cut-capacity-as-demand-for-hong-kong-travel-falls-idUSKCN1VW0ZB

Passenger numbers have dropped by 11.3% across the network since the HK protests kicked off. HK airport was shut on a few occasions by the protesters. I know a couple who flew DUB-HKG a couple of weeks ago who needed a police escorted bus to get out of the terminal, bus was attacked etc. I also know several people who decided not to book CX as they usually do for trips to Oz, NZ etc over the next few months.

Prior to the recent unrest they were always chirping about how well the route was performing and were hinting at a daily service. I wouldn’t be too worried long term.

[FFHKG]

Airline Routes rare this morning reporting that Norwegian are suspending/cancelling a couple of its routes from DUB

[2Para]

Airline Routes rare this morning reporting that Norwegian are suspending/cancelling a couple of its routes from DUB
wakey wakey, all of them are for the chop!

[Cyrano]

wakey wakey, all of them are for the chop!

"Wakey wakey" indeed, Para.:cool: The long-haul routes are for the chop. I hadn't seen any suggestion of the short-haul routes being chopped, so I think this is new news. Airlineroute (https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/286338/norwegian-w19-short-haul-network-changes-as-of-06sep19/) says that DUB-CPH is being dropped for the winter and DUB-HEL is being dropped completely.

[Una Due Tfc]

The whole group is on the precipice once again.

On more positive news I see the AA CEO said he expects Dublin to be their major focus city in Europe for expansion for the foreseeable. I've read DFW is supposed to be going daily, but outside of that realistically what new routes are there other than possibly going year round on CLT and ORD? Their XLRs don't start arriving til 2023 which might halt their retreat in JFK. Maybe they could take over MIA from EI once the JV is finalised due their South American connections. Other than that, I know the EI LAX flights are rammed in summer but realistically they'd need a 787 or 777 to launch that and that's a huge amount of extra capacity to fill. What other hubs of theirs aren't connected? RDU is a bit left field...

[840]

PHX is a hub for them and unserved from Dublin. It would need to pick up significant connecting traffic to be viable.

There's always background chatter about La Guardia dropping its perimeter rule. With pre-clearance, Dublin would be the only European hub that could operate flights. The short runway probably precludes it though. I'd note that it's very similar in length to Cork's runway and Norwegian said that was too short for 737Max flights to SWF, so other than the fact the short runway is on the western side of the Atlantic, it's not easy to see what would make it more suitable for Transatlantic flights. Anyway, the last time that background chatter turned into something more serious, it didn't happen, so there's no reason to expect anything imminent.

[DUB19]

Qatar Airways are scheduled to bring the Airbus A350-900 to Dublin on the 29th & 30th (Dep 1 October) of September, is this due to a hike in demand on these dates?

[quantumofcheese]

Video of takeoff from RWY 28

https://youtu.be/itEpnNhmf5Y


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1600x1200/f4e4f573_2f7b_41c1_86ce_244caba0a149_5bdf0b2edc5b99a1c97c5f5 ee1d9feed8b06f360.jpeg
EI-LRA Seat 7A
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1200x1600/94640229_d71e_4ffa_9f7c_1d7cfdd33012_ec77fd1423fbfc978d25126 d3ce9c2c6695e943a.jpeg
Bulkhead PTV
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1600x1200/abdf698e_7ed2_4748_bd40_1122a9405e20_e636005598572c6e07a05dc b11c126c749da7718.jpeg
View from seat 7
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1070x1600/7da55a18_d97b_46fc_9fb1_11dd1e60a13d_a5c7f3027955d174128da43 e57d0af8b06f08425.jpeg
AerSpace onboard EI-LRA

[DUB19]

Speculation that LOT are intending to launch DUB-WAW for next summer.
also Transavia DUB-MPL is being considered as well as Egypt Air to Cairo.
Nothing confirmed as of yet.

[Plane mad 134]

Here is the important bits of the ACL S20 ICR Report:

· Aer Lingus new services to Alghero, Bournemouth, Heraklion, Ibiza, Krakow, Menorca and Poznan
· Aer Lingus Decrease Aberdeen and Milan Malpensa
· Aer Lingus increase Alicante, Leeds Bradford, London Heathrow, Milan Linate, Manchester, Orlando, Miami, Montpellier, Minneapolis, Prague, Seattle, San Francisco and Vienna
· Air Arabia Maroc cancel Agadir
· Air Canada increase Vancouver
· Air Dolomiti new chaters to Milan, Bologna and Verona
· Air France increase Paris with a new daily morning departure
· Arkia Cancel Tel Aviv
· ASL cancel Dalaman
· Ba Cityflyer New Faro and Reus service
· Ba Cityflyer Increase London City too
· Egypt air New Cairo
· EL AL new Tel Aviv
· Etihad decrease Abu Dhabi
· Finnair increase Helsinki
· Flybe Decrease Doncaster and increase Cardiff and Southampton
· Great Dane cancel Aalborg
· Hainan Cancel Shenzhen (not Beijing which they have retained the slots for!)
· Icelandair increase Keflavik
· Juneyao are to add new Shangahai via Helsinki
· Lauda Increase Vienna
· LOT new Warsaw
· Lufthansa Increase Frankfurt
· Ryanair New to Billund, Marseille, Palanga, Podgorica, Toulouse and Verona
· Ryanair decrease Milan Bergamo, Edinburgh, Liverpool and Southend
· Ryanair Increase Dubrovnik, Gothenburg, Luton, Milan Malpensa, Vilnius, Lanzarote, Malaga, Alicante, Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Nantes, Palma, Reus, Riga, Rzeszow and Spilt.
· Ryanair Cancel Stuttgart
· SunExpress increase Izmir
· Transavia increase Paris Orly
· Tui increase Palma and Cancel Malaga, Paphos, Faro and Salzburg
· Vueling increase Barcelona
· Westjet New Toronto service

Source: ACL S20 DUB initial coordination report

Thats all guys.

[PDXCWL45]

Here is the important bits of the ACL S20 ICR Report:

· Aer Lingus new services to Alghero, Bournemouth, Heraklion, Ibiza, Krakow, Menorca and Poznan
· Aer Lingus Decrease Aberdeen and Milan Malpensa
· Aer Lingus increase Alicante, Leeds Bradford, London Heathrow, Milan Linate, Manchester, Orlando, Miami, Montpellier, Minneapolis, Prague, Seattle, San Francisco and Vienna
· Air Arabia Maroc cancel Agadir
· Air Canada increase Vancouver
· Air Dolomiti new chaters to Milan, Bologna and Verona
· Air France increase Paris with a new daily morning departure
· Arkia Cancel Tel Aviv
· ASL cancel Dalaman
· Ba Cityflyer New Faro and Reus service
· Ba Cityflyer Increase London City too
· Egypt air New Cairo
· EL AL new Tel Aviv
· Etihad decrease Abu Dhabi
· Finnair increase Helsinki
· Flybe Decrease Doncaster and increase Cardiff and Southampton
· Great Dane cancel Aalborg
· Hainan Cancel Shenzhen (not Beijing which they have retained the slots for!)
· Icelandair increase Keflavik
· Juneyao are to add new Shangahai via Helsinki
· Lauda Increase Vienna
· LOT new Warsaw
· Lufthansa Increase Frankfurt
· Ryanair New to Billund, Marseille, Palanga, Podgorica, Toulouse and Verona
· Ryanair decrease Milan Bergamo, Edinburgh, Liverpool and Southend
· Ryanair Increase Dubrovnik, Gothenburg, Luton, Milan Malpensa, Vilnius, Lanzarote, Malaga, Alicante, Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Nantes, Palma, Reus, Riga, Rzeszow and Spilt.
· Ryanair Cancel Stuttgart
· SunExpress increase Izmir
· Transavia increase Paris Orly
· Tui increase Palma and Cancel Malaga, Paphos, Faro and Salzburg
· Vueling increase Barcelona
· Westjet New Toronto service

Thats all guys.
Are these all extra or are many of these currently onsale?

[DUB19]

Here is the important bits of the ACL S20 ICR Report:

· Aer Lingus new services to Alghero, Bournemouth, Heraklion, Ibiza, Krakow, Menorca and Poznan
· Aer Lingus Decrease Aberdeen and Milan Malpensa
· Aer Lingus increase Alicante, Leeds Bradford, London Heathrow, Milan Linate, Manchester, Orlando, Miami, Montpellier, Minneapolis, Prague, Seattle, San Francisco and Vienna
· Air Arabia Maroc cancel Agadir
· Air Canada increase Vancouver
· Air Dolomiti new chaters to Milan, Bologna and Verona
· Air France increase Paris with a new daily morning departure
· Arkia Cancel Tel Aviv
· ASL cancel Dalaman
· Ba Cityflyer New Faro and Reus service
· Ba Cityflyer Increase London City too
· Egypt air New Cairo
· EL AL new Tel Aviv
· Etihad decrease Abu Dhabi
· Finnair increase Helsinki
· Flybe Decrease Doncaster and increase Cardiff and Southampton
· Great Dane cancel Aalborg
· Hainan Cancel Shenzhen (not Beijing which they have retained the slots for!)
· Icelandair increase Keflavik
· Juneyao are to add new Shangahai via Helsinki
· Lauda Increase Vienna
· LOT new Warsaw
· Lufthansa Increase Frankfurt
· Ryanair New to Billund, Marseille, Palanga, Podgorica, Toulouse and Verona
· Ryanair decrease Milan Bergamo, Edinburgh, Liverpool and Southend
· Ryanair Increase Dubrovnik, Gothenburg, Luton, Milan Malpensa, Vilnius, Lanzarote, Malaga, Alicante, Bordeaux, Bournemouth, Nantes, Palma, Reus, Riga, Rzeszow and Spilt.
· Ryanair Cancel Stuttgart
· SunExpress increase Izmir
· Transavia increase Paris Orly
· Tui increase Palma and Cancel Malaga, Paphos, Faro and Salzburg
· Vueling increase Barcelona
· Westjet New Toronto service

Thats all guys.

very intriguing stuff.
Westjet Toronto would be great along with Shanghai.
I’m guessing the AUH decrease is the extra 4 weekly 787 service that operate this summer?
Looks like Arkia Couldn’t handle the EL AL competition

Edit: can you provide a source?

[SWBKCB]

Hasn't the Juneyao already announce that the Helsinki service will extend to MAN? How many of these applications are aspirational/tactical rather than concrete?

[DUB19]

Hasn't the Juneyao already announce that the Helsinki service will extend to MAN? How many of these applications are aspirational/tactical rather than concrete?

shanghai - Helsinki runs 7 days a week with 3 extending to Manchester. That leaves 4 available days

[DUB19]

Juneyao Have announced a new 2x Dublin - Helsinki - Shanghai.
The route will commence in March on the brand new 787 Dreamliner.
The DUB-HEL Leg will be 5th Freedom in J & Y Class.

Fantastic news for Ireland

https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2019/11/27/juneyao-air-to-launch-new-dublin-shanghai-route

[PPRuNeUser0176]

United announce year round SFO route with B788. Begins 5 June operates daily during peak season.

ex SFO 15.55-09.45
ex DUB 11.50-14.20

[Noxegon]

United announce year round SFO route with B788. Begins 5 June operates daily during peak season.

ex SFO 15.55-09.45
ex DUB 11.50-14.20

Shame the times are so close to the existing EI service. Neither will allow a full day of work in the Bay Area in either direction :(

[WHBM]

Just a question from a regular user here who finds many an evening has been spent in a lengthy queue waiting for departure on 28.

Why is 34 also not used for departures at busy times, especially for those flights which turn right downwind on departure anyway. And what would be the reaction if a crew were to request it ?

[DUB19]

Just a question from a regular user here who finds many an evening has been spent in a lengthy queue waiting for departure on 28.

Why is 34 also not used for departures at busy times, especially for those flights which turn right downwind on departure anyway. And what would be the reaction if a crew were to request it ?


If you use both 28 & 34 there will be no room for aircraft holding short on 34

[Una Due Tfc]

Just a question from a regular user here who finds many an evening has been spent in a lengthy queue waiting for departure on 28.

Why is 34 also not used for departures at busy times, especially for those flights which turn right downwind on departure anyway. And what would be the reaction if a crew were to request it ?

28/34 are used together from 0600-0730 wind permitting. It is only really possible then due to the massive bias towards departures. I believe creating gaps in the queue for T2 arrivals to slip through is problematic due taxiway layout. For the rest of the day, there isn't as large a ratio of departures vs arrivals so it can't really be done. Remember when 34 is in use, it can't be used as a taxiway.

[Dannyboy39]

Just a question from a regular user here who finds many an evening has been spent in a lengthy queue waiting for departure on 28.

Why is 34 also not used for departures at busy times, especially for those flights which turn right downwind on departure anyway. And what would be the reaction if a crew were to request it ?

Glad it's not just me frustrated with this - the winter time isn't as bad, but I remember on one occasion in the summer I was waiting over 30 minutes! Yes the taxiway layout isn't the best, but I'd like to think you'd gain anyway by a little bit of reorganisation.

[PPRuNeUser0176]

Dual operation taxi routes had to be changed after an incident a few years ago and made things worse.

Shame the times are so close to the existing EI service. Neither will allow a full day of work in the Bay Area in either direction images/smilies/sowee.gif

Don't know how they managed to get the slots they did.

[EI-BUD]

I heard a rumour that RAM would launch a Dublin route. I heard Agadir, but Casablanca would sound more probable.

Has anybody else heard anything to this effect?
I didn't see anything on the previous pages on this thread.

[DUB19]

They don’t have slots for S20 Currently.
i would expect Casablanca as MAN gets that route with RAM

[Seljuk22]

Egyptair wil launch flights to Cairo in June 2020
https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2020/01/13/egyptair-to-launch-new-dublin-cairo-service

Passenger numbers for 2019 close to 33 million

[VickersVicount]

CX HKG bookings been blocked to full fare buckets only until Jul. Seems ominous.

[FFHKG]

Take a look at Airline Routes to see how CX are 'culling" flights to almost everywhere - they made route cancellations/services reductions to flights to 53 destinations on their network yesterday. LGW's dai;y flight is cancelled, MAN reduced from 4 weekly, LHR seems to have full schedule at present, so re-routing MAN & LGW (and any DUB passengers?) from cancelled flights is comparatively easy for them.

[davidjohnson6]

Juneyao seem to have cancelled plans for Shanghai via Helsinki

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289769/juneyao-airlines-s20-europe-service-changes-as-of-21feb20/

[chuboy]

Unsurprising given the outbreak in China

[DUB19]

Ethiopian to switch stopover to Geneva, service operates 4x weekly.
This is the fourth time ET have switched their stopover, hopefully a non stop service is next

[Noxegon]

davidjohnson6

Honestly, I don't know why anyone got excited about this one.

It was a flight from Dublin to Helsinki that happened to connect to another flight to Shanghai.

There are a bucket load of destinations served "via Amsterdam", "via Dubai", "via Frankfurt", et al. What makes (made) this one different?

[SWBKCB]

Isn't it a flight from Shanghai that stops at Helsinki - no plane change?

[FFHKG]

The flight originates in Shanghai and operates daily to Helsinki. The same aircraft then operates to MAN 3X weekly, DUB 2X weekly and RKV 2X weekly. This is the same as Eithiopian operate to DUB 3x weekly via VIE (increases to 4X weekly from June). In each case, the return flight operates via HEL to PVG and VIE to ADD. No change of aircraft in either case.

[Noxegon]

From the perspective of the average passenger what difference does that really make? Presumably they still have to disembark and re-clear security during the stopover?

[Cyrano]

I flew from DUB to ADD via BRU recently. We were able to stay on the plane in BRU and await the boarding passengers. It was definitely more convenient than getting off, reclearing security, and boarding again, even more so if I'd had to board another plane (and therefore take the risk of a delayed connection etc). I don't know what the procedure is in the other direction, but I suspect that it might be the same, because Ethiopian in that case wasn't selling 5th-freedom tickets between BRU and DUB.

Now arguably a 2/week 1-stop service is not necessarily a big deal in terms of the overall connectivity that's on offer between DUB and PVG, but the fact that it was a Chinese airline is relevant because that's the way that a lot of Chinese inbound tourists to Ireland would choose to travel.

[FFHKG]

European airports view transit passengers somewhat differently, and allow them to remain on the plane unlike the UK

[Noxegon]

It’s not only the UK. Every time I’ve taken flights with stops I’ve had to re-clear — from memory BKK, DMK, MEL, TPE, and SIN.

if you can stay on board that changes the equation a little, but I sill find it hard to get excited about anything other than a nonstop.

[MANFOD]

When I checked some dates in March, CX looked to be down to 2 x daily. Isn't it normally 5 x daily for LHR?
MAN has survived so far but down to 2 x weekly

[kildress]

Hi,
Last night I noticed an Omni Air 767 Freighter en route SOF/IAD turn around over eastern Atlantic west of Ireland and then land at DUB (how bored was I?!).
Anyone here know what was going on?

[DUB19]

Medical Emergency

[kildress]

Thanks.
Hope all turned out well.

[Sober Lark]

Why on earth does DUB need to keep two terminals open for just 900 passengers a day? Do they not need to shield their business from the financial impact of Covid-19?