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aeropix
14th May 2017, 06:00
Just thought I'd start the ball rolling on the predicted time frame for the "Pay Review Delay Letter" this year.

My best guess is 3pm on May 18th for the "Pay Review is Delayed" letter, but the actual publication of the Pay Review has been so erratic in the last 5 years that it's anybody's guess when THAT gem will be published.

Also might be fun to speculate on what imaginative Cost Cutting contract "Enhancements" we might see ahead? Was the most egregious "Enhancement" of recent lore the DEWA Cap, or was it the raising of the "Productivity Threshold" some years ago? My personal favorite, from the sheer unexpectedness of the move was the withholding of the Step Increase back in 2009.

Aside from an out-and-out Salary Cut (and here, never say "impossible", just look at the Freighter Contract), What kinds of mischief do you all think is going through the minds of the bouncy-castle crowd this week?

Good luck to all of us!

jack schidt
14th May 2017, 07:01
Just thought I'd start the ball rolling on the predicted time frame for the "Pay Review Delay Letter" this year.

My best guess is 3pm on May 18th for the "Pay Review is Delayed" letter, but the actual publication of the Pay Review has been so erratic in the last 5 years that it's anybody's guess when THAT gem will be published.

Also might be fun to speculate on what imaginative Cost Cutting contract "Enhancements" we might see ahead? Was the most egregious "Enhancement" of recent lore the DEWA Cap, or was it the raising of the "Productivity Threshold" some years ago? My personal favorite, from the sheer unexpectedness of the move was the withholding of the Step Increase back in 2009.

Aside from an out-and-out Salary Cut (and here, never say "impossible", just look at the Freighter Contract), What kinds of mischief do you all think is going through the minds of the bouncy-castle crowd this week?

Good luck to all of us!

Well, as has always been the case, every employee has 2 choices. There's no point speculating or otherwise, a better idea would be to "wine" elsewhere than be here. There is very little to whine about here as the future is getting more clear for all of us, there is less to talk about as less and less is being offered.

Good week to all,

J

donpizmeov
14th May 2017, 07:10
Withholding the step has happened more times than you think. Have a look at your contract adjust letter on HR direct. Go to history, and check how many times you stayed on the same step since 2009. Its costing you thousands of Aed per month.

But as jack has said, the future is clear.

sluggums
14th May 2017, 11:31
Well, it's out. Just got the email. Nada, zip, sweet fa... The downward spiral continues unabated.

MacSheikh
14th May 2017, 11:32
Well, it's out and the answer is... nothing, nada, zero, zip, bugger all. No rise, no increment, no changes to basic or allowances.

Let the mud slinging begin.....

Sluggums beat me to it!

BigGeordie
14th May 2017, 11:40
It isn't as if they actually made a loss so at least the 3% should have been paid. Now, who wants to go the extra mile?

Divertnow
14th May 2017, 11:42
So there you have it. No pay review and no surprises here. They only maid $200 million and change so why honour contractual obligations? To say this place is doomed for is a bit dramatic perhaps but I don't want to hang about to find out!

aeropix
14th May 2017, 11:52
Well color me surprised at the speed of it! I suppose we are all meant to be "grateful" that we were "spared" from the cost cuttings.

I'll look on the bright side, at least those paying US Taxes won't have to suffer an increased tax payment next year! It's like a kind of bonus, not paying extra taxes! Thanks Management!

felixthecat
14th May 2017, 11:55
Not even the 3% step!

The 3% step doesn't even cost the company anything. Everyone basically moves up and the ones at the top and higher levels leave. What a great way to further enhance recruitment and especially attrition......

Seriously, inflation at high levels and VAT coming shortly at 5%...... good luck keeping a loyal workforce.

drop kick
14th May 2017, 12:14
When I came, 3 % was written into my contact, in black and white. Simply as, but then when is a contract not a contract? when one side has the arrogance to unilaterally change it, a prerogative we don't have. So they decide to increase the costs of working for Emirates, i.e. Medical fees are passed on to us, the government implements VAT, inflation as always rises, and for us a very clear message and a very real drop in the value of our salary.
In all seriousness when are they going to wake up to the reality of the situation?? More people will leave that they can ill afford to leave, people will and are choosing not to join.
One can only imagine whats next and the lifestyle implications as this one plays out...

Cloud Bunny
14th May 2017, 12:23
Well that was quick and brutal. The thing is they still made a **** tonne of money so this really has nothing to do with this years results but everything to do with what they are forecasting for this coming year.
No profit target being set was a big indicator and now nothing across the entire company - jeez just how much money are they thinking they are going to lose next year??

Instant Hooligan
14th May 2017, 12:24
A profit this year and nothing, a loss next year and.........??? The answers are there boys and girls, exit while you can.

brewman187
14th May 2017, 12:31
Fantastic!

Spikedog
14th May 2017, 13:53
And people will still work on days off and take training positions where they are only paid for training duties, not given an increased basic salary for joining the training department.

Why help the company in this way and devalue yourself and your profession?

Nobs

natops
14th May 2017, 13:56
I need to talk to the Minister of Happiness...

nakbin330
14th May 2017, 14:08
What on earth is a 'merit pot allocation'?

Lynx8
14th May 2017, 14:08
We all got 1 x SRC subload......in exchange of our 3% and much more.
Are not you happy?

777-200LR
14th May 2017, 14:10
Spikedog, you beat me to it!

People will still work on days off only this time the call will sound like "Captain in light of the financial difficulties we are going through, there will be no day off pay"

Big Enos Burdette
14th May 2017, 14:21
What on earth is a 'merit pot allocation'?

It's a type of "performance bonus" that office grades get. The department gets a merit pot of a certain amount, and the manager divides it among staff, supposedly based on their individual performance over the previous year.

donpizmeov
14th May 2017, 14:27
Merit pot is how some grades get a pay rise, as not many have the mythical 3% step arrangements.

Jack330
14th May 2017, 14:32
That's exactly what they want, they are shrinking the company quickly and they are giving clear signal of this by making employees unhappy and it will get much worse when they'll realize the mistake they did by creating a huge overcapacity with the absurd A380 order since they fly half empty in 70% of the flight.
They just offered unpaid leave for all the summer to the CC.

fliion
14th May 2017, 15:35
If we had received pay raises during the booming up years - then ok.

We didn't get any pay raises on the way up but take a cut on the way down.

Those enormous profits and this years PROFIT was built on the back of our hard 90-95+ slog.

Many waited patiently - now that moment has well and truly passed.

But my ire is to those numerous colleagues who are part of the 'don't like it leave' club, sipping bubbly as a single or young un, surrounded by lovelies at the expat brunches: " Life's great, got the car, the condo, the chicks" Breaking out the gel to work a day off because "it's Saigon dude!"

Well I've got news for that bunch - the company heard you load and clear.

Where is A6-xxx now....serving "at the pleasure " of the Co.

Some of us were vocal & im not talking about here...but had little back up.

Que sera sera - hard to believe they only people who received an effective raise were the 'Level 2' new joiners - yet to break a sweat

Joker11
15th May 2017, 00:05
Unpaid leave sounds good. Oh wait. Non-operational staff only.

So we get squeezed to the max and yet we don't see a cent more.

Just the way I like it.

The Crew
15th May 2017, 01:11
The most frustrating part is that if you've been in EK over 10 yrs , your "I'm leaving "options are limited. Unless you want to shoot yourself in the foot...

Contract in china/ korea?
Norwegian's ridiculous conditions ?
Jet2/ Jetstar/ Westjet?

Whatever the choice , the disruption &finances will take a greater hit than the pay freeze.

glofish
15th May 2017, 03:14
Unpaid leave for non-operational Costa dwellers, no one will feel any difference of them being in Costa or not, but they get the full allowances!

Freighter contract, with supposedly less hours (keep dreaming) for the productive employees, but allowances curtailed.

This just shows where the heads of management are buried in. :ugh:

springbok449
15th May 2017, 05:26
Joker,

If you're serious about wanting unpaid leave, resign, one of the option to try and keep you is to offer you unpaid leave, happened to me but I turned it down, a friend of mine accepted it...
A friend who was management pilot for a EU carrier told me that the reality about unpaid leave is that many people say they would take it but when it is actually offered not many end up signing up for it.

777-200LR
15th May 2017, 07:56
Springbok, agree with your comment entirely. It does also come down to one's profile in the company. Had a friend resign early this year and wasn't offered anything to stay, he didn't have the cleanest record in the house!

nakbin330
15th May 2017, 11:40
Anyone who's able to take unpaid leave is obviously surplus to requirements. If they're surplus to requirements why are they here?

Jack330
15th May 2017, 11:54
https://aviationvoice.com/emirates-airline-profit-falls-82-in-2016-17-201705151008/

Talparc
15th May 2017, 18:49
Outsourcing American Jobs to Airlines with Lowest Labor Standards? | HuffPost (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/59160e25e4b0bd90f8e6a501)

Joker11
15th May 2017, 21:04
Outsourcing American Jobs to Airlines with Lowest Labor Standards? | HuffPost (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/59160e25e4b0bd90f8e6a501)

Very good read.