Quality Fly ATPL Integrated

[TheyCaptain]

I have been shopping around for the most affordable EASA PPL course and found many in the £4-5k GBP region, mainly in eastern Europe and some with very positive reviews.

However, I have stumbled upon the company linked below. This spanish company is supposedly offering the EASA PPL for £3k.

Private Pilot (http://www.qualityfly.com/courses/page3/page3.html)

Is this real or are they looking for someone to scam? If anybody that has gone to this aviation school, your views would be much appreciated.


Regards

[cavok_flyer]

Copied from their web site:

PRIVILEGES OF THE EASA Part-FCL PPL(A) PILOT LICENSE

The holder of an EASA Part-FCL PPL(A) is permitted to fly:



aircraft with a maximum take-off weight not exceeding 5700KG
during the hours of daylight
in flight visibility of not less than 3km
while remaining in visual contact with the ground at all times
with passengers, for leisure or on business, but not for renumeration


Point 1. With the new EASA PPL-A licence you are allow to fly anything as long as you have the rating regardless of the MTOW.
Point 4. You are allowed to fly on top of the clouds if the a/c is outfitted for this condition ergo not in visual contact with the ground.

If they cannot get there website right or know what the rights of the EASA PPL-A licence is...

[pakythepilot]

What Cavok say might be correct, but just try to give them a call or visit their premises (better) if doing a ppl with them could be in your interests. Sometimes website creation are made by people who don't have a clue about aviation matters and such errors, as the one pointed out by cavok, could arise. If you call them, ask about their instructors, how they could sell a ppl with a cheaper price than what it is the actual average price in spain for a ppl, how many aircraft they have, if they own or have a maintenance organization locally or they need to send their aircraft elsewhere, what is the rate instructor over students, how many students they have already trained and what it has been their pass rate, try to talk with some of their students and ask for some feedback, last but not least ask if the course payment is in full or pay as you go and anything else could pop up in your mind. If their answers are satisfactory, they have good feedback from their students, they accept pay as you go and you have a overall good feeling, might be ok going there.

[TizerTheAppetizer]

ALWAYS visit any FTO you are interested in. Even if it's on the other side of the world.

The travel costs are small compared to any training you do with them, and not visiting might end up costing you more.

In the UK alone I've visited over eight FTOs.

[captain.weird]

Someone already tried them?

[Karan14]

Hello,

I have recently come across a course in Madrid offered by a school called Qualityfly. Can anyone offer an insight to the Integrated course that they offer? Value for money, quality, etc? The course is offered for ?45K.I need to choose from Ibertour or Qualityfly.:rolleyes:

Thank you.

[Wajahet]

I have also come across this. Full zero to ATPL in under 40K. Guys any thoughts?

[Gloryman]

If you're looking for a living hell, it's your place.
They will extract your last little drop of motivation and turned it into a nightmare. If you complain they put you on the enemy side, you won't ever fly and your mates will turn you the back because they are threatened too. At the end, they won't refund you anything and you will end up from zero in another school. Welcome to Qualityfly

[WASALOADIE]

I've only heard bad things about Qualityfly. One Ground instructor (self appointed CTKI) who threatens students and makes being there intolerable. He only teaches a few hours per day as he has to spend time doing important CTKI duties, students left to their own devices and self study. They are happy to take your money but don't produce the QUALITY their name suggests. As screwed says, a lot of students have recently left due to being unhappy and have lost money in the process and yes the ratings are from staff, I can't see a single independent review on their site, probably because they remove all the others as they are derogatory. You go cheap, you get poor quality!

[Juan Cervero]

Dear readers,

I’m Juan Cervero, the Managing Director of QUALITY FLY Aviation Academy since November 2018, and I’d like to answer and share some facts following the comments that have been posted above in this public forum.

I would like to be completely honest and transparent, since the accusations are serious and unfair, and do not reflect the Organisation which is currently training over 50 international students who are currently undertaking their integrated pilot license training at our facilities, and our team of over 15 employees.

Yes, over the last 6 months, we were faced with several challenges at our flying school, mainly as a result of our rapid growth and the huge demand we have received over the past two years. However, I would like to point out that the information posted above does not in any way reflect the reality, neither at the time we were faced with the challenges, and most certainly not now. As with any organisation faced with peaks of disruption, the responsibility of the management team will always be to identify the root cause, and action upon that accordingly.

The problem: As the person with utmost authority within this organisation, I am well aware of the issues that were highlighted at the time, as these were identified to me soon after I joined the team. One of my first objectives within the organisation was to gather information from both our customers and our team of instructors. I concluded that due to a very distinct conflict of personalities, a toxic relationship had developed between some of our students, our Chief Ground School Instructor working for us at the time, and one of our Ground Instructors. As a relatively small organisation, where we give tremendous importance to the relationship with our customers, it was apparent that the customer experience at the time was far from optimal. As an approved ATP training organisation, we demand full dedication from our students, and at times the pressure is high, but that is no excuse for not engaging with our students, this being one of our key company values. Once I was aware of what was causing the friction, corrective action was taken, including changes within our management team. Unfortunately, several students had already made the decision to complete their training elsewhere. We were very sad to lose those students, and we tried everything that was in our scope to recover their trust and confidence in our organisation.

[The atmosphere: I can confirm that, yes, the student atmosphere was not the best back in October. However, I can share with you my professional impression of the atmosphere now; I see smiles and motivation in the students as they progress through their training. And the impression seems to be the same in the candidates visiting the school when they are offered to participate in a class and meet our students. As this is a very subjective topic, we are conducting regular interviews with our students, to listen to their concerns, and we will requestthat their opinions are shared in these public forum for your more complete information..

To conclude: I want to share with you that we are a young but growing organization which, as with all organizations, will occasionally be faced with challenges. However, I can confirm with emphasis that our team is working with motivation, and making every effort to offer the best training to our students, our customers. The school will continue to grow in size and quality, and we will continue to invest heavily to ensure all the required resources, both physical and human, are available in order for our students to complete their training to the highest of standards.

With this post I hope to have clarified some of the issues highlighted above, but from a wider perspective.


Juan Cervero (CEO)

[Juan Cervero]

Dear readers,

I’m Juan Cervero, the Managing Director of QUALITY FLY Aviation Academy since November 2018, and I’d like to answer and share some facts following the comments that have been posted above in this public forum.

I would like to be completely honest and transparent, since the accusations are serious and unfair, and do not reflect the Organisation which is currently training over 50 international students who are currently undertaking their integrated pilot license training at our facilities, and our team of over 15 employees.

Yes, over the last 6 months, we were faced with several challenges at our flying school, mainly as a result of our rapid growth and the huge demand we have received over the past two years. However, I would like to point out that the information posted above does not in any way reflect the reality, neither at the time we were faced with the challenges, and most certainly not now. As with any organisation faced with peaks of disruption, the responsibility of the management team will always be to identify the root cause, and action upon that accordingly.

The problem: As the person with utmost authority within this organisation, I am well aware of the issues that were highlighted at the time, as these were identified to me soon after I joined the team. One of my first objectives within the organisation was to gather information from both our customers and our team of instructors. I concluded that due to a very distinct conflict of personalities, a toxic relationship had developed between some of our students, our Chief Ground School Instructor working for us at the time, and one of our Ground Instructors. As a relatively small organisation, where we give tremendous importance to the relationship with our customers, it was apparent that the customer experience at the time was far from optimal. As an approved ATP training organisation, we demand full dedication from our students, and at times the pressure is high, but that is no excuse for not engaging with our students, this being one of our key company values. Once I was aware of what was causing the friction, corrective action was taken, including changes within our management team. Unfortunately, several students had already made the decision to complete their training elsewhere. We were very sad to lose those students, and we tried everything that was in our scope to recover their trust and confidence in our organisation.


The atmosphere: I can confirm that, yes, the student atmosphere was not the best back in October. However, I can share with you my professional impression of the atmosphere now; I see smiles and motivation in the students as they progress through their training. And the impression seems to be the same in the candidates visiting the school when they are offered to participate in a class and meet our students. As this is a very subjective topic, we are conducting regular interviews with our students, to listen to their concerns, and we will requestthat their opinions are shared in these public forum for your more complete information..

To conclude: I want to share with you that we are a young but growing organization which, as with all organizations, will occasionally be faced with challenges. However, I can confirm with emphasis that our team is working with motivation, and making every effort to offer the best training to our students, our customers. The school will continue to grow in size and quality, and we will continue to invest heavily to ensure all the required resources, both physical and human, are available in order for our students to complete their training to the highest of standards.

With this post I hope to have clarified some of the issues highlighted above, but from a wider perspective.


Juan Cervero (CEO)

[WASALOADIE]

Contact the students who left in the autumn with a fair settlement (fair to them) and I will delete/edit my comments, but until you do, my comments stand and you will be tarred with the reputation of being a disreputable ATO.

The ball is in your court.

[WASALOADIE]

Unfortunately the poor reputation will stick until you do something positive to correct it. Make a fair (to them) settlement offer to the students who were mistreated and left in the autumn and all previous comments will be corrected. Until such time, the trust in QualityFly is tarnished and will only become worse. This is a business where reputation counts.

[Council Van]

A lesson to learn.

Never pay vast sums up.front and use a credit card if you are paying up front.

Cash up front, then the money has to go into a holding account that you will be able to be get your cash back from if the company fail or are in breach of contract.

[citationdos]

https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/618347-accident-near-madrid.html

[AbdallaAli]

Hello,

My name is abdalla, i study in quality fly i have been here for 8 months, the instructors give every ounce of knowledge they have to students and make sure they can pass EASA Exams (look at the passing ratio in EASA).

the information you're giving out is completely inccorect, if you visit the school you will see for yourself, i am happy with the school for the reason that studying enviroment is excellent, it's cheap compared to the other schools, you pay less and you get the same results, weather is really nice in madrid, personally im from sweden i don't choose to study in sweden because the weather is really bad and it's expensive.

[noCB]

Another student of Quality Fly here.
Granted, I'm a first time poster so take this with a pinch of salt if you are the cynical type. I did however feel compelled to "defend" the school on the back of a random search whilst lurking on the forum.

I've been studying with QF for the past nine months. I've completed 12 of 14 EASA ATPL exams with an average of 96% and have almost 100 flying hours.
Yes, you don't get the same hand holding I imagine you would receive at a 150,000 Euro school. Shocker.

I'm a career changer, able to dedicate 10+ hours a day to studying, seven days a week and determined to get through the training as soon as possible. The school is set up for people with a similar mindset to people like me. Perhaps the marketing department has some work to do so that potential students can understand this method of learning and the level of self commitment you will require.

Being a newer school, of course there were problems but thats a part of the reason the price is so affordable. As it grows, improves and learns, QF is increasing the price. The course that new students receive today is of far higher quality than that which I received myself. Teachers are of higher experience, fleet size has been increasing and the facilities are expanding and upgrading.
The management and teachers have been very open to suggestions and one of mine was that we require standardised practices where all students are treated equally. Earlier batches of students had a much closer relationship with teachers due to the small class sizes, there was a transition phase when new students were joining the ATPL classes whilst the "friends" of the teachers were still doing ground school. This caused friction and resulted in some feeling they weren't being treated fairly. Neither side showed its finest side but complaints were listened to and money was given back to those who left. I can't say wether or not they got a fair price back. That is a subjective, private matter neither side is obliged to share. I myself also felt some students were treated with more leniency than others, this happens in every part of life. Once these students graduated, the school has really pushed to ensure all students are held to the same standards.

Quick overview:
After a couple of months of ground school for the "intro" phase you're flying in the third month whilst doing ground school for 5 hours a day, Mon - Fri. Eight months of ground school with the option to go to SENASA for your official exams whenever you and your CTKI feel you are ready. Work your ass off for 12-15 months and get out into the market. 100% of the graduates so far have jobs flying. No complaints.

You get what you put in and it's definitely not for those who want to be gifted their ATPL licence.

[albertmari]

Hello,
I have received an email from a flight school based in Madrid, QualityFly, to take the ATPL Integrated, but I haven't found enough info online about it. Anyone that knows about this school?
Thanks in advance,
Albert

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

Hello,
I have received an email from a flight school based in Madrid, QualityFly, to take the ATPL Integrated, but I haven't found enough info online about it. Anyone that knows about this school?
Thanks in advance,
Albert
Hello Albert. Avoid at all cost. A few posters here wrote embellished reviews about QualityFly and I'm pretty sure that I know who they are. All lies. This is not the right school for you or for anyone. You will lose your money. Everything is substandard plus they don't have enough aircrafts or proper instructors. I've been there and I'm telling you this from personal experience. Contact me if you want me to tell you where to properly study in Spain. Same cost but a real school. I'm there now.

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

Another student of Quality Fly here.
Granted, I'm a first time poster so take this with a pinch of salt if you are the cynical type. I did however feel compelled to "defend" the school on the back of a random search whilst lurking on the forum.

I've been studying with QF for the past nine months. I've completed 12 of 14 EASA ATPL exams with an average of 96% and have almost 100 flying hours.
Yes, you don't get the same hand holding I imagine you would receive at a 150,000 Euro school. Shocker.

I'm a career changer, able to dedicate 10+ hours a day to studying, seven days a week and determined to get through the training as soon as possible. The school is set up for people with a similar mindset to people like me. Perhaps the marketing department has some work to do so that potential students can understand this method of learning and the level of self commitment you will require.

Being a newer school, of course there were problems but thats a part of the reason the price is so affordable. As it grows, improves and learns, QF is increasing the price. The course that new students receive today is of far higher quality than that which I received myself. Teachers are of higher experience, fleet size has been increasing and the facilities are expanding and upgrading.
The management and teachers have been very open to suggestions and one of mine was that we require standardised practices where all students are treated equally. Earlier batches of students had a much closer relationship with teachers due to the small class sizes, there was a transition phase when new students were joining the ATPL classes whilst the "friends" of the teachers were still doing ground school. This caused friction and resulted in some feeling they weren't being treated fairly. Neither side showed its finest side but complaints were listened to and money was given back to those who left. I can't say wether or not they got a fair price back. That is a subjective, private matter neither side is obliged to share. I myself also felt some students were treated with more leniency than others, this happens in every part of life. Once these students graduated, the school has really pushed to ensure all students are held to the same standards.

Quick overview:
After a couple of months of ground school for the "intro" phase you're flying in the third month whilst doing ground school for 5 hours a day, Mon - Fri. Eight months of ground school with the option to go to SENASA for your official exams whenever you and your CTKI feel you are ready. Work your ass off for 12-15 months and get out into the market. 100% of the graduates so far have jobs flying. No complaints.

You get what you put in and it's definitely not for those who want to be gifted their ATPL licence. Amazing. Another employee of Quality Fly if not the owner himself. Stop misleading people. NO you did not give anyone the money back. You stole it all and no you don't have proper instructors or enough aircrafts. Keep telling lies but people are not stupid. This is the internet age so we exposed you for who you really are.

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

Hello,

My name is abdalla, i study in quality fly i have been here for 8 months, the instructors give every ounce of knowledge they have to students and make sure they can pass EASA Exams (look at the passing ratio in EASA).

the information you're giving out is completely inccorect, if you visit the school you will see for yourself, i am happy with the school for the reason that studying enviroment is excellent, it's cheap compared to the other schools, you pay less and you get the same results, weather is really nice in madrid, personally im from sweden i don't choose to study in sweden because the weather is really bad and it's expensive.
There are cheaper and better with 10 times more aircrafts and proper instructors. Is this a review from one of the owners again??? Over 15 students left and lost their money plus you still don't have enough aircrafts and proper installations. You're not a school, you're a scam nothing more.

[WASALOADIE]

Students still owed money

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

Students still owed money
Yes. Many students are still owed money. Apart from the money owed, we lost precious months of our lives then we started over somewhere else. Some of us gave up altogether and quit completely. Lost trust in all schools.
Do yourself a favor and stay away or text me privately and I will tell you where I'm studying.

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

When an outfit chooses such a name, don’t danger bells just sound?

And the price for integrated training sooo cheap?
Uhm! Buyer beware?
Exactly. But wait, on the surface it looks cheaper but what about living expenses? Rent, food, transportation etc...
There are other schools where the cost of the year is € 5,000 more than Quality Fly but you get everything included: a private room with it's ensuite bathroom, all utilities including wifi, transportation to and from the school/airport to the living quarters, delicious home cooked food etc... so you won't waist time on shopping, cooking, paying for things and worrying. You just study..
i am at one of these schools at the moment and things couldn't be better.

[harveyst]

Exactly. But wait, on the surface it looks cheaper but what about living expenses? Rent, food, transportation etc...
There are other schools where the cost of the year is € 5,000 more than Quality Fly but you get everything included: a private room with it's ensuite bathroom, all utilities including wifi, transportation to and from the school/airport to the living quarters, delicious home cooked food etc... so you won't waist time on shopping, cooking, paying for things and worrying. You just study..
i am at one of these schools at the moment and things couldn't be better.


which school are you at? I went to see quality fly today and they all seemed like great people and the students were all happy. a course was also graduating today too.
Home cooked food sounds nice though!

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

which school are you at? I went to see quality fly today and they all seemed like great people and the students were all happy. a course was also graduating today too.
Home cooked food sounds nice though!
Impossible. I just contacted friends in Madrid, no graduations at Qyality Fly. Maybe 1 or 2 students did graduate after 2 years. There's no way anyone can graduate with the number of aircrafts they have. Old and rusty and minus 1 aircraft since the deadly accident a few months ago. Surely they didn't tell you about a crash of one of their aircrafts did they? Of course not but you can google it.
I was lured the same way, nice people at the surface, big smiles and they show you a huge building so you think it's the school but in reality they rent 2 rooms on 1 floor and use them as a class..
I'm not keeping things back at all, this is a ripoff school and I'm exposing them non stop for what they are. I hope it's worth the 25000 Euros they stole from me and from 7 others that i know personally, apart from the ones i don't know.. At the end it's possibly worth it for them, easy dishonest money but they won't last long.

[harveyst]

Impossible. I just contacted friends in Madrid, no graduations at Qyality Fly. Maybe 1 or 2 students did graduate after 2 years. There's no way anyone can graduate with the number of aircrafts they have. Old and rusty and minus 1 aircraft since the deadly accident a few months ago. Surely they didn't tell you about a crash of one of their aircrafts did they? Of course not but you can google it.
I was lured the same way, nice people at the surface, big smiles and they show you a huge building so you think it's the school but in reality they rent 2 rooms on 1 floor and use them as a class..
I'm not keeping things back at all, this is a ripoff school and I'm exposing them non stop for what they are. I hope it's worth the 25000 Euros they stole from me and from 7 others that i know personally, apart from the ones i don't know.. At the end it's possibly worth it for them, easy dishonest money but they won't last long.

well I saw the graduation with my own eyes. So maybe your contact in Madrid is wrong, or I am blind. I’ve messages you to send details of your problem but you haven’t sent any info, and asked where you’re training now and still no info. Seems strange you’re very vocal but light on details?

[parkfell]

Any 'QUALITY' organisation would refund any money due. That is a matter of fact. Give Management the opportunity to reply to this allegation. Otherwise the customers need to organise a 'Group Action', and inform the Regulator to decide whether the ATO approvals should be withdrawn.
Aviation, in common with other service providers, have those who are reputable, and those at the other end of the spectrum who are not fit for purpose.

Do not part with your hard earned money without conducting due diligence.
If it sounds too good, it is probably is a scam. Avoid gullibility. A good test if you enter aviation.

[7Pilot]

I am a recent graduated of one of the 8 frozen ATPL students (all formal exams passed at first attempt and no extra costs nor extra flights required) at Qualityfly, so I can tell you I am not one of the owners. The last 13th of July, 7 of 8 Cadets graduated (the 8th was almost closed to the end), so it is not true that only 2 graduated in two years as it´s being said.
So, What I can tell then for example to AlbertMari (see older post) and any other possible applicant interested in the school are the following considerations:
- Be aware that in all of the schools you will find issues (with more or less quantity owed to the bank, family or whoelse) and you will have to deal with them, It is part of "Aviation " game.
- I chose this school because at that time, the Budget, Timing and English Language taught (all the course is being taught in English), was ok for me. If I had had 120 kEur in my pocket It´s possible I would have chosen others in the South of Spain or South of England for example, but that was not my case.
- Each one has to look for several schools and compare them, but what maybe fits for you doesn´t fit for other. Each case is different and individual.
- As Manager Director Juan Cervero said in his post, QualitFly is "a young but growing organization which, as with all organizations, will occasionally be faced with challenges".. it´s true, and like others, It can have positive and negative points. What I can tell you is that the School has improved a lot since I started the frozen ATPL almost two years ago and they are continuously trying to improve.
- Another last fact, but not less important, is that being a young growing organization means that all the staff is approachable and familiar, and opened to help you, something that is not common in bigger organizations.

Finally, I am sure that there can be some customers not happy with the school that have left it, that is normal, and they can have their own reasons to leave it, but there are others that had finished the course, and already working.

Regards

Andrés Garcia Baron

[wigbam]

I am one of the ATPL-integrated students at Quality Fly. I have started my course in May 2018 and have a few more months left (hopefully). I will try to be as impartial and objective as I can be regarding Quality Fly and conditions I have encountered while studying here.

As Andrés mentioned, 8 students graduated in July 2019. Plus 4 last year, so total of 12 graduates. All 4 of the last years's graduates now fly for airlines (or are in training with an airline)

Yes it is true that the school has had a lot of reliability issues with the fleet during 2018 and beginning of 2019. Myself personally I was hardly flying during the winter because poor old C152s simply would not start during cold mornings or had some other issues. Frustrating? You bet it was! Especially since I was done with all of my theoretical exams by then and only needed to build hours.

But, and it is a big but. The management did work really hard to replace the fleet with brand new Tecnams as well as C172s. Also we got a new glass-cockpit ME aircraft as well. Generally, there are no issues with the fleet at the moment.

Yes, there was a fatal crash and it really shook the whole aviation community here in Cuatro Vientos. The investigation is still on-going, and until it is concluded I would refrain from speculating about it. All details are available on Aviation Safety website.

Quality Fly rents three offices and conducts operations from the main airport building, right next to the apron and next door to the Air Traffic Services Reporting Office. Obviously this is very convenient and super handy, I believe it is (was?) the only school to do so. I am not sure how one can be under impression that they own the whole building since that building is huge! :)

As Andrés mentioned, all classes are taught in English, which is great to get you prepared for that ICAO English exam if needed. On top of that Quality Fly students achieve the highest average for theoretical exams among the schools at the airport. Nope, no official backing source for this statement, but I have confirmed it verbally with people who do know (including those from other schools).

Quality Fly invested heavily in automation and student experience. It is the only school with a dedicated 3-screen student flight simulator rig where all students can freely practice anything they feel like.


Of course, not all is rosy and there are lots of things to be improved:

Scheduling is a mess. Everybody knows it and no point in hiding that fact. It could be due to the newly on-boarded scheduling software, so hopefully these are just teething problems
Communications are lacking (especially in relation to #1), you better off coming to the office if you want to really get things moving, again management is aware and looking to improve it
Lack of IFR instructors, but looks as more are coming in next month
Punctuality and time keeping. Maybe it is a general Spain thing, especially for somebody coming from UK ;)

I cannot comment much on financial side of things regarding refunds etc. as this is highly specific to individual cases, but my take is that once you have signed a contract you are agreeing to the conditions outlined in the contract. If you feel like you have been mistreated and Quality Fly did not honor their part of the contract I suggest you take legal advice to see if you have a case, but, of course it is a shame it had to come to this.

To sum it all up, I think Quality Fly is definitely not up there with the "big boys" yet, but I do see both a genuine desire and effort from management to improve how things are run here. They do care about the brand name and want to build something bigger and better out of it. Naturally there are many areas which are still in need of being taken care of, but the overall vision is definitely there and lots of progress has been made already. There are more than enough resources, opportunities and flexibility here for a successful ATPL course completion - it is all up to an individual and the effort put into it.

Regards,
-Stepan Kolesnik

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

Stephan & Andrés.*

Beautifully coached responses but the fact stays and no matter what you say or write the fact will not change that Quality Fly tricked at least 10 students out of their money. 10 students I kmow personally and I'm one of them.. there are more than 10, the number keeps growing because I still receive inside information..*

Most of them incurred huge debts, they believed in Quality Fly and paid the price. Not long after paying the deposits then after the 4 to 5 months following payments, we all realized that Quality Fly is nothing but a wanna be flying school. No organisation, no proper instructors, old aircrafts that yes you are right, investigations about the unfortunate crash that killed 2 innovent people are still ongoing so we should refrain from commenting? Hell no.. I flew that same aircraft and was holding my heart in my hands.. so yes let them investigate but since Spain is such a retarded country with everything moving like a snail, it will take a lot of time of investigations but the ones who flew Quality Fly' s 3 aging old rusty aircrafts know very well what happened so don't give me that bull**** about ongoing investigations crap, we both all the resons why.

In the last year, yes maybe a few finished (rare lucky few) their Atpl at Quality Fly but why go study there when there are at least 6 other ATPL flying schools in Spain who offer classes only in English, have 15 new aircrafts at least, hire the best instructors, cost the same amount as Quality Fly, have a functioning everything.*

Vision is not enough for a flying school.. People put their trust and join blindly then discover that the school has ambitions and a vision of becoming a flying school?*

You guys are the lucky ones that is if you are telling the truth and you are who you are and you really graduated.. surely management thought that 1 or 2 graduating is better than no one graduating because Quality Fly should have graduated at least 50 students so far but I assume that 32 students other than the 10 that i know of got screwed and only 8 graduated in 1 year.

Easy math.

No matter what you write on this forum I will contradict you because I've been there and it happened to me.

Regards
I'm one of the students who were screwedbyqualityfly.*

[wigbam]

I flew that same aircraft and was holding my heart in my hands.. so yes let them investigate but since Spain is such a retarded country with everything moving like a snail, it will take a lot of time of investigations but the ones who flew Quality Fly' s 3 aging old rusty aircrafts know very well what happened so don't give me that bull**** about ongoing investigations crap, we both all the resons why.
It had nothing to do with the age/state of the aircraft. You are clearly misinformed, so please double-check your statements before posting. Especially since as I have mentioned before already - the information is publicly available!

.. but why go study there when there are at least 6 other ATPL flying schools in Spain who offer classes only in English, have 15 new aircrafts at least, hire the best instructors, cost the same amount as Quality Fly, have a functioning everything.*
I suspect for the same reasons as you have chosen Quality Fly initially? Namely
It is 10-20% cheaper (and most likely was even more cheap at the time you have enrolled) than anything comparable around
And by comparable I mean a flying school which is located in the capital and based at the busiest GA airport in Spain. Both flying and social experience you get here is quite different to what you'd get flying from some local strip downcountry
We have discussed the fleet already, your information is simply outdated
You guys are the lucky ones that is if you are telling the truth and you are who you are and you really graduated.. surely management thought that 1 or 2 graduating is better than no one graduating because Quality Fly should have graduated at least 50 students so far but I assume that 32 students other than the 10 that i know of got screwed and only 8 graduated in 1 year.
Once again, 12 people have earned their wings in a space of a year, and 5-6 more will graduate in a next few months. I invite you (and everyone) to attend the autumn graduation and see it for yourself.

No matter what you write on this forum I will contradict you because I've been there and it happened to me.
Yes, it seems as you will :} But you will be contradicting facts, which is bizarre to say the least. Everything I have stated here is factual and can be cross-checked by anybody.

Don't get me wrong I do feel for you since it looks as you have happened to start your course when QF was going through a really rough patch (due to them biting off more than they could chew at the time). I was in the same boat as you and it was tough to remain positive. But nevertheless I decided to stay and ride it out. Now looking back I can say it was totally worth it. Unfortunately, you decided not to wait but move somewhere else instead. It was your decision and I fully respect it as such, but at the same time you have to take responsibility for your own actions and be ready for the consequences as all of those were disclosed in the contract.

Regardless of all of the above, I do wish you all the best in the new place you are studying/flying now! Do come visit Cuatro Vientos for you XC ;)

Regards,
--Stepan Kolesnik

[Pilot Gomez]

I'm one of the 8 students that have recently graduated from QUALITY FLY. As any ATP Integrated course you are required to study extremely hard but it is totally untrue, as claimed by someone in this forum, that things are made difficult here for anyone to graduate and that the school takes your money for nothing in exchange.
Since I started training here things have changed enormously and every effort and investment has been made to increase the quality of training by purchasing numerous new airplanes and contracting instructors. Everything you need in terms of fleet, facilities and personnel is provided for your ATPL training. Of course, anyone has the option to spend twice as much by choosing a renowned school with a longer history, but I strongly believe that you are better off saving that money for any future additional training like a type rating.

I must also add that my official theoretical exam results have been exceptionally high and I have passed all 14 subjects on my first attempt. I also consider myself to have a high level of technical flight training despite having trained in old Cessna 152s as the instruction I received was very good. All students who have started this year and from here on will be training in brand new Tecnams with glass cockpits. I am positive they will receive an excellent level of training and will save plenty of money as compared to what they would spend in other schools in Spain and the rest of Europe.

Regards.
Daniel Luis Gómez

[Juan Cervero QF]

Dear Colleagues,

My name is Juan Cervero, and as the Managing Director at QualityFly Aviation Academy I can confirm that we went through a challenging period during the winter of 2018 concerning a few of our customers. The Academy hosts over 30 different nationalities within its facilities, and culture clashes are occasionally inevitable, and miss-understandings are an ordinary matter that can sometimes occur between students and staff. The issues at the time were handled professionally and adequately, and all the necessary actions to prevent them from happening again were taken.Please allow me to share with you an update about our Academy, and to clarify a number of factually incorrect accusations that couldn’t be further from the truth, expressed by one of the users of this forum.

The statement: “No graduations at Quality Fly. Maybe 1 or 2 students did graduate after 2 years.”
The reality is that 4 ab-initio Cadets last September, 8 ab-initio Cadets this past July, and another 8 ab-initio Cadets will have completed their training by the end of this year. I am proud to announce that all our ATP Ab-Initio Cadets have either already secured employment with leading airlines worldwide, or are in the final stages of their corresponding assessment processes entering holding pools where required.

The statement: "Old and rusty aircraft"
All Approved Training Organisations (ATOs) are mandated under EASA to follow strict maintenance schedules in order to maintain the airworthiness of their fleet of aircraft, regardless of their age. However, our fleet has been completely renewed and is now made up of:
3 x Tecnam P2002 JF with glass cockpit G650 for SEP VFR;
3 x Cessna C172 SP for SEP IFR with Garmin GPS; and
1 x Tecnam P2006 for MEP with glass cockpit G950.The statement: "Surely they didn't tell you about a crash of one of their aircrafts did they?"
It is sad that in a public forum we are obliged to bring up the subject of a very unfortunate accident that we suffered last year. Talking about the loss of the lives of our colleagues is not exactly a joyful topic. But we have no intention of hiding behind what was undoubtedly the most tragic event this Academy has ever faced. The moment any aircraft leaves the ground, there is an element of risk. How this risk is managed is key to ensuring a strong safety record, and the safety culture our SMS (Safety Management System) Team actively promote has been paramount in achieving an exceptional level of safety for all our flight operations. The aircraft involved was almost brand new, recently released by maintenance. The weather was perfect for flying; good visibility, mild winds, no clouds. The instructor on board was one of our most experienced flight instructors, together with an experienced student. Fate had it that on that day, a micro-light aircraft, with no air-to-air radio, no transponder and perhaps in the wrong airspace and at the wrong altitude, collided critically and fatally with our aircraft, giving our instructor and student not a chance to save the plane or their lives. You may want to read read the investigation that has been published by the corresponding Spanish Safety Investigation Board. The safety of our customers and staff is always, and will always be (without exception) our number one priority. Please google CIAIAC EC-NAM for the official report.

I hope that those of you who are reading this post now have a clearer idea of the (not so) truthfulness of the comments posted by one user of this forum. I find it surprising that students making fair and balanced statements on a public website are subsequently accused (publicly) of being directed by management. I would encourage you to contact and speak to our students directly, where I am sure you will receive an unbiased opinion of our Academy and how we treat our customers.

A few final comments...
- As we have exceeded our expectations, a collaboration framework has been established with a well known airline in the European skies, Volotea Airlines, and interviews with Volotea personnel have recently taken place on the 13th of September at our Quality Fly facilities with 12 of our cadets participating.
- While the number of students increase with every intake, the ability of our graduates to secure employment remains at 100%. All have achieved the goals that we promised we would help them reach. They are now flying for prestigious airlines around Europe and the globe such as; Ryanair, Cathay Pacific, Volotea or Stobart Air.
-High standard of training and excellent results. Our Theoretical Knowledge department reveals and proves that we have one of the highest first-time pass rates in the region, if not the highest, and we are not planning on altering that!- Our hardworking management and financial teams, working around the clock, side by side with our experienced professors and pilots, results in the efficient and safe operation of the academy, that allows us to continue to offer a very competitive priceLast but not least, I highly recommend you to pay us a visit at our facilities on one of the upcoming Open Days taking place in Madrid, Spain, or check our website for the latest news.Looking forward to meeting you soon.

Sincerely,
Juan Cervero

[Juan Cervero QF]

Dear colleagues,My name is Juan Cervero. As the managing Director at QualityFly, and after reading some of the comments mentioned, please allow me to wipe the dust off some unclear points and grey areas, and ideas, that some may have about our Academy. First and foremost, Quality Fly Aviation Academy is with no doubt a legitimate Approved Training Organisation(ATO) with its training facilities based in Cuatro Vientos Airport, in Madrid, Spain, and approved in accordance with, and to the EASA regulatory standard.There is no denying that the academy started small. But, we cannot neglect the official reports and statistics that prove how quickly and carefully we are moving forward, never taking a step back. Please take sometime and have a glance at some pictures and articles about us, I would recommend checking out the NEWS section in our website.Headlines:
- Our fleet has been completely renewed and is now made up entirely of:
3 x Tecnam P2002 JF with glass cockpit G650 for SEP VFR;
3 x Cessna C172 SP for SEP IFR with Garmin GPS; and
1 x Tecnam P2006 for MEP with glass cockpit G950.- As we have exceeded our expectations, a collaboration framework has been established with a well known airline in the European skies, Volotea Airlines, and interviews with Volotea personnel have recently taken place on the 13th of September at our Quality Fly facilities with 12 of our cadets participating.- While the number of students increase with every intake, the ability of our graduates to secure employment remains at 100%. All have achieved their goals that we promised we would help them reach. They are now flying for prestigious airlines around Europe and the globe such as; Ryanair, Cathay Pacific or Stobart Air.-High standard of training and excellent results. Our Theoretical Knowledge department reveals and proves that we have one of the highest first-time pass rates in the region, if not the highest, and we are not planning on altering that!- Our hardworking management and financial teams, working around the clock, side by side with our experienced professors and pilots, results in the efficient and safe operation of the academy, that allows us to continue to offer a very competitive price.Regarding some of the previous unanswered comments:“never pay vast sums upfront” We agree with you. That is why we never ask that from out potential students. Our policy is to charge a 10% booking fee and the remainder in 18 months instalments. Please take a look at our website for more details or call us for further information. “the atmosphere is not good” In a multi-cultural environment with over 30 nationalities in our academy, a little more control and supervision is required from our side to avoid culture clashes and misunderstandings. However, a "bad atmosphere" is far from the situation that we have today. In the past we took such matters very seriously, and have achieved a blended working and studying environment that everyone can benefit from. Please check our instagram page to see all sorts of activities and fun we do as one family.

Last but not least, I would like to thank everyone who has posted comments, whether they are positive, to motivate us to grow even bigger and better, or negative, upon which we can give serious consideration, allowing us to learn and improve when moving forward. Our customers remain at the heart of our business. It would be a pleasure to meet you at our facilities at Quality Fly during one of our Open Days. Please visit our website or call our office to check out the date of the next one.Your feedback is always welcome. Sincerely,
Juan Cervero

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

Hello Juan.. beautiful words and introduction but all this will not change the fact that you stole, along with your partners, the livelihood of numerous students. You literally sucked them dry and destroyed their future. This is a fact. I lived it. Now you are claiming so much but we all know that you will do it again. You will gain their trust, the new unsuspecting students and screw them big time.
Your panic is showing and your desperation is obvious because you are and did communicate with the ones you screwed and threatened them with legal problems unless they remove these comments. The whole point of this forum is to expose frauds like you.
if you want us to remove them, give us back the money you stole from us, as simple as that. Tomorrow call us, one by one, you know who we are and pay us back what we gave you and we received nothing in return. Just do it and all these posts will be removed, we will even say good things about your school (and lie).
I saw some people who posted in here positive posts about your school and I didn't have the time to reply or the energy but make no mistake, I'm back and you'll hear from me, from all of us.. Soon I'm going on google and maps to expose you because to my surprise I noticed that all the 5 stars are from the owners and the employees plus possibly family and friends, weird that an owner poses as a student giving his school a 5 stars and a secretary who doesn't speak a word of English she now can write a beautiful English post.. all fake.
Again: give us back our money and you will get your reputation back. Think of all the people googling your school and discovering all these posts, all the students you are losing. Is it worth it?
Our money back without conditions, no contracts to remove or alter or give you guarantees just give back the money and as good people as we are, we will remove these posts or you will keep losing students. That I promise.

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

I will give you an ultimatum: pay back what you stole from the students and I will leave you alone. Start with 1 and you know which one I'm talking about. After you refund the 1st student I will post on here that you did and when you refund the others I will remove all my posts.
You have 30 days to refund the 1st one. If you fail i will expose you on Google with everything I have. Google reviews are very important for a business, it will be impossible for you to remove the posts of the students and when they are posted it will be too late unless the poster removes them. Do the right thing and pay us back, we only wanted to study but you ripped us off.. 30 days Juan.. act fast.

[zumzum]

Unfortunately the poor reputation will stick until you do something positive to correct it. Make a fair (to them) settlement offer to the students who were mistreated and left in the autumn and all previous comments will be corrected. Until such time, the trust in QualityFly is tarnished and will only become worse. This is a business where reputation counts.

I'm not sure how a "poor reputation" should stick to them? especially when I've heard only positive things about this school. In my case I am looking for a flying school for my son as he wants to follow his dad's steps. I have done some deep due diligence only to find out that this organisation possibly can give my kid the best shot on finding a job after the training finishes.

But I'm also sure that not all students get the desired results, and this may depend on several factors, including low interest or perhaps a general disability of the individual. And this can be frustrating and blaming the school is simply the easiest and most comfortable form of denying reality. Sometimes someone is unable to take responsibility. It happens every day in real life and will continue to happen.
But what I find highly unfair is attacking an organisation run by honest people (I've seen it with my own eyes) and that gives all the tools the kids need to succeed in the aviation industry. I know as a FACT that there are many students who have entered directly into an airline immediately after finishing the course. This is something that has an absolute value and that silences everything I've read on this forum. I want a school that maximises my kid's chances of joining an airline and QF has shown several times the ABILITY to give these opportunities to those students who are obviously worth more.

Screwed by qualityfly: listen up kid, get some advice from someone who works in this industry from maybe before you were even born: the world of aviation is small and only facts count, not words. Don't blame an organisation just because maybe you're not up to the game you want to play. Furthermore, your last post denotes poor tactical intelligence because it clearly exposes the fact that you want financial compensation in exchange for removing posts (that is blackmail). This strategy presents serious problems and opens the door to possible legal consequences that could seriously damage you.
Also, if you think you're right, why don't you prosecute this organisation through legal proceedings instead of trying to damage it through this thread? Perhaps because you know perfectly well that there are no legal grounds that make you win the case?? This strategy does not pay and in the long term could cause more harm than good. Therefore, be mindful.

When we are young, we make many "judgment mistakes" if not led by someone wiser. Do yourself a favour and delete these groundless posts. Get back on the books and maybe one day we'll fly together. You never know in life ...

Best,

zz

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

I hope you get paid by Juan or the other owners of Quality Fly to post lies like you did or most probably you're surely one of them, a fake like all the positive google 5 stars posts are fakes. It's nothing new, this is how you guys operate. No one puts their trust blindly with a bad organisation as Quality Fly.. so Zumzum, If you are a real person (which i doubt) and not one of the owners (likely) go ahead and give them your money, you'll see what will happen then. If you are a real person looking to help his son follow his lead, read my posts from the beginning and not the last post so you may understand the whole story. Quality Fly ruined 8 students so far, the 8 were in the same batch but at least 20 students left the school, they took our money and gave us nothing. 5 of us started again somewhere else and we are on the verge of finishing our ATPL. Where we are now there are no excuses of bad weather when the weather is nice. There are no incompetent theory instructors who swear and insult students. There are no lousy old rusted airplanes that one of them killed an instructor and a student. I suppose you didn't know about that did you? Google it, it's all over the internet and the investigation is ongoing. It was an old airplane like most of their airplanes. You did some deep due diligence? Oh you think we didn't.. more than you I assure you, 2 visits before registering, we saw airplanes but finally they were not theirs. We saw a building that we thought it was the school but finally they were renting a room in that building to use it as a classroom. For months during the beginning of our training they had 3 airplane. Old rusted, one of them always being repaired. They promised us for months that new airplanes would come but they didn't. Your erroneous assumption that we were there just to play or we didn't have the intellect to finish what we started is so misplaced for the following reasons: We are from other countries and the process to be in Madrid is not easy, leaving our families, our lives, renting apartments, settling near the school and showing up every day but never could fly an hour.. they don't have enough airplane as simple as that.. Months waisted but we kept paying the 4000 € each month on top of the 5000 € 1st deposit we initially gave them in advance. Do the math.. 5 to 6 months of payments not counting all the expenses to get and settle there. This organization will give your son nothing, not a job after his graduation or even a graduation, you know for a fact that students were hired by airlines?? Lies.. Quality Fly has no contract or any deal with any airline, you know nothing for a fact but I and we do know that for a fact because we still have direct news coming to us from an insider at the school. But really why am I answering you? you're a fake, one of the owners. But I'll go on because I'm not done yet:
I want my money back? Our money back? Bet you we do. Did we sue them? Yes one of us did but the cost exceeded the rewards and with the Spanish law system that moves like a turtle with dishonest lawyers, it's hopeless because we are non Spaniards plus now we have exams, flying hours studies and soon graduations. 5 of us found real flying schools and moved on but many others gave up, lost everything.
I'm quoting you now and this is fun: "Finally Screwed by qualityfly: listen up kid, get some advice from someone who works in this industry from maybe before you were even born: the world of aviation is small and only facts count, not words." Old timer, Did you call me Kid??? Now I know exactly who you are, Mr Qyality Fly 70% owner but let me answer your post: not words but facts, I lived it, I showed up every day to school and I never flew an airplane because they have no proper airplanes. Are these words or facts?? Again quoting you: "Don't blame an organisation just because maybe you're not up to the game you want to play" : what game old timer?? This is not a game, the action of these crooks (including yourself) ruined lives so don't just talk to talk. Quoting again: "Furthermore, your last post denotes poor tactical intelligence because it clearly exposes the fact that you want financial compensation in exchange for removing posts (that is blackmail" answer: Poor tactical intelligence, really? you think that I'm scared or worried of Quality Fly to sue me? Let them sue me but they won't. They know what they did, they know they will lose plus their reputation will go from bad to worse and I have someone backing me up.. stronger and bigger than Quality Fly so NO I'M not worried so if you want to call it blackmail call it blackmail I don't care because honestly I'm just warming up. I will not leave this fake school alone not now and not in 20 years especially not when they change their name to cover up all this. And Juan, this next message is for you: the clock is ticking, remember the ultimatum.

Best

Screwed by Quality Fly (no Quality)

[zumzum]

so this is getting fun: (and I'm going to step up my game too using bold characters:D)

I'm just getting warmed up too KID...for a number of simple reasons: I found it highly unlikely that of all the batches that the school produced, 8 (I mean 8!!) of the same batch all had the same problem, at the same time, and were all scammed...very suspicious.
I also find some mismatching data you are providing referring to the "rusty" planes you were flying...I don't see any of that and I did exactly as you suggested: googling it. They have an IG page were I see no rusty planes...Furthermore I find it extremely unethical and disturbing, from your side, to mention the lost of two lives and making such assumptions. Especially when there is an ongoing investigation. You should be very careful on how you chose your words because this would put you in a lot of trouble if wasn't because you are hiding behind a fake identity. I bet you have no balls to reveal your real name, don't you? because what you are reporting in this forum NOW has legal consequences. And if I was this Quality Fly guy you are referring to (which I'm not), I would take you straight to court, no matter the cost of it because what you are saying is not only unethical, but evil. Shame on you.

Having said this, as you doubt my real identity, please allow me to doubt yours. I have a growing suspect that your account is possibly a fake. Created just a few months ago to attack this school. You have produced no evidence that support your thesis, but just a number of posts trying to delegitimate the enterprise. Now I'm not saying that you are surely a fake, but a strong possibility, given the evidence I have.

Relax kid. With this attitude you'll never get a proper job, especially if you think that "moving to Madrid and showing up everyday" is a big deal. Freaking Millennials hahaha

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

Old timer, now you proved that you are one of the owners of this school with nothing else to do but to keep posting. Yes I know that these posts are affecting your school, they are ruining you actually and I know that as a matter of fact... Stop the act.
To anyone out there reading these posts beware and read the following because this is how this school screwed us ergo ruined lives: we received the information from Jamie, the hired recruiter who lives in England, I thought he was part of the school but weirdly enough I never met him at the beginning, only met him once when he came to visit 5 months afterwards. We did our research and saw everything beautiful and shiny online, website, presentstion etc.. In my case I visited the school, their office at the entrance of Barrio de la Fortuna, they walk me to the small airport, a 10 minites walk and showed me the building and a fleet of airplanes. I was impressed. I told them I'll be thinking about it and I left Spain but in my mind I thought that this is it. Jaime sent me the contract and the banking information to wire the €5000 deposit which I did after a few days. Fastforward to sitting in class in one room in that airport building, we had a succession of 4 different theory instructors in 3 months, no one would stay for some reason but the last one was an abusive insulting instructor. Why did we leave?? In 6 months not 1 hour of flight when we should have been at 100 hours. Why? 3 aircrafts for 60 students and one of the aircrafts was always being repaired. The other 2 were old as well. Do you remember earlier when I said that we were impressed with the fleet of airplanes they had during the 1st discovery visit? When it was too late and we were alteady there we discovered that these airplanes didnt belong to them, Quatro Vientos has 5 other pilot schools so the airplanes of the other schools were gathered together. Quality fly was so dishonest to make us believe that they had a fleet of aircrafts. Next step: How did they screw us? €5000 deposit before attending school and 5 months of payments of €4000 = €20,000 + €5000 = €25,000 what did we get in return? NOTCHING. After the abusive theory instructor and after complaining to management numerous times about him and about the lack of aircrafts, we gave up.. We sat together and talked about it. We had 2 options: stay and keep paying the monthly payments for nothing in return we get an abusive theory instructor or cut our losses and find another school hoping we could get back part of our money. The ripoff: The answer was NO. They told us that they will give us nothing because if we leave no matter the circumstances, we breach the contract that we signed and we get nothing back. We just wanted to study and finish and seeing other students sitting in Madrid after having paid the full amount but only with 20 hours of flying after 18 months we ran and fast. If they are a good school why would they cheat us like that? What have we done? Nothing. We only wanted to study but 6 months without flying? How could we finish in 1 year? You see old timer/part owner, this is how we were screwed. Now did you say that you googled the airplane crash and found nothing well let me help you here since old timers like you don't know how to Google properly and Owners wouldn't want this information out there so here it is: https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/618347-accident-near-madrid.html on this same website. The instructor was a good person with lots of experience but unfortunately was flying an old aircraft that couldn't be handled after the mishap. I didn't know the student because I was gone already but a tragedy like this shouldn't have happened. That fateful day was on February 6, 2019. Let me give you another link old timer: https://www.google.com/amp/s/elpais.com/ccaa/2019/02/06/madrid/1549451099_769450.amp.html and here is the official Government website: https://www.fomento.gob.es/organos-colegiados/ciaiac/investigacion/2019/a-005-2019

The one thing that you don't find anywhere are the names. I know the name of the instructor, she was a good person, a good woman. I will not put it here out of respect. I have pictures with her and it saddened me what happened. She didn't deserve this.

On a separate note I congratulate you Quality Fly, you started cleaning up after yourselves on Google. After I exposed you earlier in one of the posts and gave you the ultimatum you removed the old fake account with so many fake 5 stars from your own emoloyees and owners and started a new one.. bravo well done but it won't work.
Juan, this is for you: the clock is ticking, 1 day less.. we are getting closer.. act fast..

[zumzum]

I am disgusted by the fact that you can continue to mention that fatal accident and attribute it to the flight school. The same link that you facilitated leads to the page of the Ministry of Transport and clearly speaks of collision in flight. You are a brat who has nothing better to do than to cover up of insults, recall things and people that should be left out of your tricks. Unfortunately life will teach you, very soon, that certain attitudes and behaviours are not acceptable. I'm disgusted by your words and by the way you are going down on this story.

As for your possible decision to leave the school, it seems clear to me that you have made the wrong decision, and that perhaps you could have "resisted" "by showing up every day in Madrid away from your family and friends" (big deal) for a while longer...by now not only you would have not "lost" the money you want back (why you want it is still beyond me), but you would have probably finished your course (but giving your attitude I doubt it) and maybe you'd be about to start your career (maybe). You decided instead not to wait and evidently not to trust the school, and to go your own way. These decisions clearly have aftereffects that you must be able to accept. And if you don't accept them, then you prove to be a spoiled kid who can't accept the natural consequences of his actions. Regarding your "eight" classmates, well if thats true (and I doubt it strongly) that they also have decided to leave the course with you, I just hope they didn't do it by following your advice... because in that case, then they would probably be extremely pissed off at you, to the point where I would probably not leave the house for fear of meeting them. You have played your cards and lost. Just accept the reality...

best,

zz (the old timer that one day you could meet and beg for a job ...) stay put kid.

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

The 8 left before me. I tried my best with Quality fly and gave up at the end. But you, as one of the owners of Quality fly, keep posting and let's see where this will take you because for every post you put i will answer you back and all this is public, hundreds of eventual students are reading it ergo changing their minds about your crooked school.. Who wants to associate with a low life like you. In my future posts I will put more information and post all your names, I told you before: I have just started, I'm just warming up. As for the fatal crash: reponsibilities will land at your doors soon enough, yes it was a mid air crash but the lousy aircraft was not easily maneuverable to avoid the collision. This was not an accident and it will be proven soon enough. Old timer / owner of Quality fly: NO, never will I ask for a job from you. Where I am, unlike Quality Fly, we have a contract with 2 major airlines. I'm already recruited, I know where i will be in a few months from now. Quality Fly has 0 contracts with an airline, no programs and I doubt an airline would want to associate with you after all this..

To all and everyone reading this: don't be fooled with this fake school, there are better schools out there just do your research properly.

Juan, this is for you: tick tok.. are you counting the days? I am..

Regards

Screwedbyqualityfly (for real) but saved by another school.

[harveyst]

This is mental

[zumzum]

This is mental
totally...the guy is out of control...hormones imbalance

[ShamrockF]

Threats... deadlines... promise to clean up bad posts and replace with positive ones...

Where does the line between disgruntled complainer and blackmail start?

[Screwedbyqualityfly]

You guys thought that you will steal our money and waist 6 months of our lives will be that easy? Yes.. disgruntled but it's too small of a word.. blackmail? It's our freaking money that we got nothing in return.. 6 months no flight hours and useless theory classes with an incompetent theory instructor. I actually thought I'll be more out of control but I'm too busy with my own great school, 4 flights / week. My own exams, 2 more left. I really thought I'll be way more out of control but out of respect for a friend who perished in one of your airplanes I stopped.. We were sad but we knew why this happened, the few lucky students that flew that specific machine always complained about it, made jokes that they landed safely but one day someone won't.. and someone didn't. 2 of them.
I'm too busy for you but soon I'll be done and will go crazier on you, wait and see.

Juan: tick tock..

Regards
screwed by who? : Quality Fly

[parkfell]

Might discussing your issues with a lawyer be an option. If you paid by a card, there is redress through that route.
If others are affected then a ‘Group Action’ needs to be considered.

This spat on pprune has got the message across to the community, loud & clear. And the Moderators.
No certainty that the ATO will be reading it, or even intend to respond.

[zumzum]

if there were conditions for a group action I am sure that, at this point, this boy would not be here trying so hard to damage the image and reputation of the school. having said that, I consider freedom of expression a fundamental right. but I’m not too much in agreement about using this platform (born to exchange information and opinions) to sow hate, threaten and discredit. I'm sure moderators are aware of it but I would like to see more “interventionism” if certain behaviours become the norm.

best,

zz

[parkfell]

To use that well known phrase “we are where we are”......

What all future trainees must bear in mind is that the concept of CAVEAT EMPTOR always applies when you are contemplating entering into a contractual agreement.
It is up to you to perform [b]DUE DILIGENCE. The bottom line is that you must satisfy yourself that what has been agreed will occur. Beware of smooooth talking marketing departments.

If a deal seems to good to be true, then it probably is. The cheapest courses on offer require careful scrutiny. Quite simply it may well end in tears.

You must visit the establishments on your shortlist. Speak to the staff and more importantly the trainees(customers).

Spent your money wisely.

[Halfwayback]

This thread has run its course.

Both sides of the argument have been made and the post above gives wise counsel.

HWB