Fuel email

[Xwindldg]

Will the hedging team members be plotted on the new charts?

[betpump5]

Why anyone (especially those with a Red Lanyard) was taking more than Flight Plan fuel is beyond me. During bad wx,we get extra. During good weather, its performance based contingency. If you divert, let the company deal with the knock on effects.

Taking more than FP Fuel is not good for Contract Compliance.

And to those Breitling lovers taking 1.5T extra on every flight - Wtf guys. Seriously.

[spleener]

What email?
Is there an NTC?

[Shep69]

Steppin' over dollars

Picking up pennies

Most folks do this anyway -- CFP fuel and adjusting for zfw changes.

Wonder how much the new report cards will cost. But maybe it'll make someone feel better about something somewhere.

[Table For 1]

So we are 'accountable and professionals'.......

Pray why does this not apply to the muppets on the 7-9th floor that are driving this Company into the cumulo-granite?

Once again this e-mail merely confirms that it is all about the Fuel Hedge.....Doh.

Sorry seems to be the hardest word......

[Frogman1484]

Ignore the report and continue as usual...that is what I'm going to do!

[Dragon69]

Why anyone (especially those with a Red Lanyard) was taking more than Flight Plan fuel is beyond me. During bad wx,we get extra. During good weather, its performance based contingency. If you divert, let the company deal with the knock on effects.

Taking more than FP Fuel is not good for Contract Compliance.



Is that how simple it is, really?

It's that attitude that's helping the company turn us into complete button pushers.

What if they don't give you extra and you're given a close in alternate at a place where the TAFs are not very dependable, like HKG, SIN, KUL, CGK, SGN, etc Then what? Do you then use your red lanyard and pray to god that all goes well because you were too stupid to use your brain for once and load more than CFP?

[Trafalgar]

You nailed it Dragon. Very disappointing to see yet another level of intimidation being imposed. I'll take the fuel I believe I need, based on experience and common sense. Couldn't care less about 'averages' and 'shaded areas'. This place becomes more pathetic by the week. :ugh:

[LongTimeInCX]

Traf & Dragon - spot on!
I've never (apart from Cat B etc) taken more fuel than I needed, and I've never departed with less fuel than I feel comfortable with.

I did choose to voluntarily receive the "where t f am I on the fuel carry list", but that was not because I was concerned about if I was taking too much/too little, it was merely a passing interest to see where I sat.
I did not change my attitude to taking fuel, or reducing it, I continue to do what feels both right, safe and commercially correct.

But for other crew now having these figures rammed down their throat, I'm concerned about the not so subtle pressure being applied to some individuals who through either lack of spine or an un-natural desire to be submissive, will start to take less than is safe.

[Trafalgar]

Well, the real joke of the matter is that our esteemed fuel hedging 'team' has thrown away about 20 years of pilot effort savings in two short years. Don't seem to see them held accountable. The slow but steady decent to destruction of the once great CX is well and truly unavoidable at this point. Good luck with your careers to those who still have enough years for it to matter. :ugh:

[betpump5]

Yes Dragon,

It is that simple. And if you end up diverting , don't be silly enough to write a rant on Yammer..

[Liam Gallagher]

I read as far as "accurate risk management" and "operational excellence" and figured MH had sent the email to the wrong person. I didn't lose billions on inaccurate risk management.

I forwarded MH's email to those responsible. [email protected] and hedge_hogg @cathaypacific.com

Just smile and wave boys.... Smile and wave.

[FlexibleResponse]

We have been through the fuel intimidation rigmarole before from management and it didn't work.

Just remember that by law, it is the Captain's decision to carry adequate fuel for the intended flight.

The Captain's decision cannot be over-ridden or delegated.

The Company may own the aircraft, but the Captain is solely responsible for his operation of said aircraft.

[VR-HFX]

Let me repeat myself...the only time you are tankering too much fuel is when you are on fire. My rule one to ten in that order.

[404 Titan]

They've been tracking individual captains fuel figures for years. The implied intimidation of this tracking has always been there. The fact I now get an email is of a passing interest but won't change my final fuel decision process.

[WaldoPepper]

Spleener,

It was an email sent to captains only I believe.

[The Visionary]

MH simply cannot help himself. He gave up his family and life for this place. He, like the rest of the third floor, are simply mad scientists running amuck. Of course he does not have to fly the line daily into places like North America during winter snow storms. He just gets to tell you how to do it. Remember his days as C.P.?

He could have just said job well done, thanks for being safe but no, cannot la.

Again, they can't help themselves. Imagine giving up your soul to be in management here.

[Absolutely Fabulous]

Keep it coming guys, one day all of this will be relevant and admissible :ok:

[Starbear]

Spleener,

It was an email sent to captains only I believe.

........I suspect he/she was making the point of there's no NTC an email from anyone ain't worth jack sh*t.

[Gnadenburg]

KA totally reversed its fuel pressure policy toward one of command responsibility and airmanship. It was quite warming and inevitable really.

Common sense prevailed; I'm guessing it gets pretty hard to sleep at night as management when your bottom 5% blast from A to B then onto C on min fuel.

[Glass Half Empty]

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[sawadecup]

They've been tracking individual captains fuel figures for years. The implied intimidation of this tracking has always been there. The fact I now get an email is of a passing interest but won't change my final fuel decision process.

Are you implying that they will use the report for the up coming "Restructure"/ Lay off announcement?

[404 Titan]

Sawadecup

No. My implied message is I don't lose sleep over my fuel decisions. They've been collecting captains fuel uplift for years. Big deal if they now want to tell me how I'm going.

[arse]

GMO expresses his concern with a few Captains seemingly taking too much fuel ... what about the few who are regularly not taking enough? No mention!

[sawadecup]

GMO expresses his concern with a few Captains seemingly taking too much fuel ... what about the few who are regularly not taking enough? No mention!

As long as you don't divert, it seems ok with the company, I guess?

[404 Titan]

Arse

Define "not taking enough".

[Yonosoy Marinero]

Define "not taking enough".

I believe he means those who go out of their way to take less than CFP, thus exposing everyone on board to additional unnecessary risk, all in the name of saving the company a handful of dollars.

These are the true heroes in the eyes of CX, which is why they are rewarded handsomely for their brave sacrifices...
Oh, wait, no. They're not. They do it for free.

[sawadecup]

I guess only those manager-wanna-be-ass-kisser will do such a silly things to impress their bosses....

[404 Titan]

Yonosoy Marinero

I believe he means those who go out of their way to take less than CFP, thus exposing everyone on board to additional unnecessary risk, all in the name of saving the company a handful of dollars.


I'll keep that in mind the next time I massage the fuel to get staff on.:ok:

[Arfur Dent]

"Massage the fuel to get Staff on"
Surely not!!!:ok:

[Dockjock]

Not a CX pilot but, the fuel argument is very close to the stats vs "watch the games" debate raging on in many pro sports. I'm most familiar with baseball and hockey. Old school strict "expertise"-types appear to believe that stats cannot possibly help to explain or inform such a fluid thing as a game. Egghead types boil down every possible moment into a probability.

Just curious if one's position on use of stats in sports management- for scouting, creating a team, deploying the team, strategy etc correlates with one's position on airline fuel loading.

Use the data? Or rely on your staff's experience? Seems the most successful pro sports teams today run (my opinion) on a 2:1 ratio of the above methodologies. Neither is fully reliable on its own, the secret sauce is mixing the two appropriately. Any company or team that strays too far in one direction is going to get lapped.