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Which company has hoodwinked the government into believing there is a shortage of pilots in this country?
Biggles_in_Oz
3rd Sep 2016, 02:32
Blazes....
Are there any jobs that are not on the CSOL and thus available for a 457 visa ?
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/CSOL
Centaurus
3rd Sep 2016, 06:13
Quite unbelievable. Aeroplane pilot and also flying instructor. Same beast. Someone is hoping to make some money on the side..
What The
3rd Sep 2016, 07:15
The CSOL list is a different beast to the 457 one. Airline Pilot is NOT on the 457 list.
Biggles_in_Oz
3rd Sep 2016, 07:30
That's not how I read the entry for 457 visas at https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Empl/Visa-options-comparison-charts where it says "Occupation must be on the prevailing Consolidated Skilled Occupations List ..."
emeritus
3rd Sep 2016, 08:05
Time to talk to your MP?
Emeritus
StudentInDebt
3rd Sep 2016, 13:57
Before anyone goes writing indignantly to their MP they should probably try and develop an understanding of what the Consolidated Skills Occupation List is and how it relates to the visa process. A clue can be found in the pre-amble to the CSOL and post #2 above...
The CSOL list is a different beast to the 457 one. Airline Pilot is NOT on the 457 list.
Where is "the 457 list" to be found then?
Berealgetreal
3rd Sep 2016, 21:49
VARA has several 457 pilots. Hardly breaking news.
LeadSled
4th Sep 2016, 03:29
Folks,
I am aware that pilots have been coming in on 457 visa now for about 10 years.
Tootle pip!!
Ollie Onion
4th Sep 2016, 05:01
Where else should airlines get pilots with experience on certain types or in certain operations? Just because there are lots of people around with pilot licences does not necessarily make them qualified to fly certain types at short notice?
The name is Porter
4th Sep 2016, 08:47
I wouldn't be surprised if there were employers of pilots in this country trying to circumvent local pilots. When a potential employee fronts you in an interview and knows the award backwards but doesn't know what a gyro is or how it works there are issues. When an employee breaks a component in an aircraft, causes $900 damage due to their negligence but the most important part of his day is getting out of work on time, there are issues. Industrial relations has swung so far to the employee it makes almost impossible to staff you business with any certainty. Until Australians learn how to do a fair days work for a fair days pay this 457 business will continue.
chimbu warrior
4th Sep 2016, 09:51
What is it about the air in Australia that makes it different from the rest of the world? Why is it that every time an employer wants to introduce a new type, they must have pilots with appropriate time on type? It seems very odd to me that types such as the Electra, B707, DC9 and B727 were all successfully introduced without accident or incident, but an ATR72 or B777 requires the importation of current-on-type pilots.
Manufacturers sell these aircraft to operators all around the world, yet we seem to have an almost uniquely Australian requirement to insist on pilots with prior experience on type. No employer is going to miss the opportunity to avoid training costs; why do we tolerate this stupidity?
Berealgetreal
4th Sep 2016, 20:57
The air in Australia is different:
COBT 0145
Cross ARBEY at 0245 250 kts.
*crosses ARBEY 250 exactly on time*
Reduce to 220 kts.... "Can we get a height waiver?" "No" *deploys speed brakes which make lots of noise but has no effect...
Shortly after..
Cancel speed restrictions.
Can you accept track shortening?
Track to a 3 mile final maintain 200 kts as long as possible.
During roll at 140 kts "have you got the rapid?"
LOL!
What The
4th Sep 2016, 21:36
In order to qualify for a 457 visa your field of work must be on the Skill Occupations Lists.
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/SOL
Anyone see airline pilot?
Biggles_in_Oz
4th Sep 2016, 22:20
There is not a specific item for "Airline pilot", but sandwiched between "Technical Sales Representatives nec" and "Master Fisher" there are the following occupations,
"Aeroplane Pilot"
"Air Traffic Controller"
"Flying Instructor"
"Helicopter Pilot"
"Air Transport Professionals nec"
StudentInDebt
4th Sep 2016, 23:16
What is it about the air in Australia that makes it different from the rest of the world? Why is it that every time an employer wants to introduce a new type, they must have pilots with appropriate time on type? It seems very odd to me that types such as the Electra, B707, DC9 and B727 were all successfully introduced without accident or incident, but an ATR72 or B777 requires the importation of current-on-type pilots.I can't tell you when things changed but it isn't any different, airlines the world over will get contract pilots/trainers in to introduce a new type to their fleet. Where the airline is large/rich enough they will engage another airline that operates the type to provide line sectors to give their pilots experience on the type. Where the type is a new aircraft they will find people/training for the closest comparable aircraft (eg 777 for 787). I doubt they do this because they want to but because their insurers, financiers or lessors insist on it.
In order to qualify for a 457 visa your field of work must be on the Skill Occupations Lists.
https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/...ions-lists/SOL
Anyone see airline pilot?
No, because the list you linked to is the SOL which shows the occupations available for temporary graduate, independent or family sponsored visas.
The list of occupations eligible for a 457 visa is found on the Consolidated Sponsored Occupation List linked previously by Biggles.
VH-FTS
6th Sep 2016, 10:04
Which company has hoodwinked the government into believing there is a shortage of pilots in this country?
Are you talking about Dash 8 endorsed South Africans?
Going Nowhere
6th Sep 2016, 12:50
Besides the "over 1000 applicants" they recently stated they had on file...
VH-FTS
6th Sep 2016, 21:41
Yep.
More characters...
Captains or FOs?
How on earth could they claim they need 457s when they are knocking back 50-75% of guys each recruitment day? Surely this proportion of pilots aren't so retarded, sorry unskilled, they can't fly Dash 8s?
Going Nowhere
6th Sep 2016, 22:05
Only FO's.
They have over 100 FO's who meet the upgrade requirements. Only a handful are 'in the command pool'