WEST AIR CHINA

[MONTY TESLA]

Looks like a new contract out with Risworth for West Air on lower T&C than before.

Does anyone know more, are they serious?

They along with Tianjin are prob worst 2 company's in China. At least Tianjin pay well.

Any updates

[chinafrog]

meeting today
Wa don't want more 15/15 only longer contarct
so they drop paycheck
also work into days off
all training and sim IN OFF TIME
all pilots pissed off .....


many will not renew contarct as beter offer with no early start, late finish in beter place than CKG


they are mad or stupd .... maybe both

[MONTY TESLA]

NEW CONTRACT IS OUT


They has lower terms 50% option and no longer allow month/month:ugh:
also have to fly over 800 hours in year befire pay overtime on 50% contract:eek:
all pilot not happy and many looking to leave:(
TIANJIN looks better that WEST AIR:{
Lots of layover. 2 star hotel, early start, late finish, all training in off time:mad:


NOT FOR FOREIGN PILOTS ANYMORE

[Sambombero]

[QUOTE=MONTY TESLA;9520772]NEW CONTRACT IS OUT
I can confirm from a friend there that they want to get rid of the15/15.New conditions more like the ones used in Egypt in bible times.Now they are the only chinese airline not offering month on /off,supressing overtime and giving them the right to do whatever they want with your life:training in your time off,no rest etc.
15/15 was the best contract there and they brought some people there because of it.Now is worst in china.
Other contract options ok if you are divorced or in the proccess and enjoy
spending most of your life in substandard brothels with free cocoroches and cheap hookers.
If you have a family forget bringin them there,it has been proven a complete fiasco for the ones that had the balls to try.
Looks like they want to move people from 15/15 to 20/10 but that means spending your life in one of the most renowned ****holes in china...
Not good at all...I will look for other options

[MONTY TESLA]

Friend just sent me details of the new contract


The 15/15 is not a 15/15. They want 3 weeks in Feb Jul and Aug without any extra money!!! WTF


On top of that they have decided that overtime is now based on YEARLY HOURS, so not even gonna get overtime, as they want 804 hours with 15 days a week. PMSL


MUCH BETTER DEALS IN OTHER PLACES, BETTER COMPANIES IN CHINA


STAY AWAY FROM WEST AIR

[B1898]

NEW CONTRCT


I WORK AT WESTAIR


you HAVE to work when they tell you. they say MANAGEMENT deal with day to day issue and they make discision. in westair everyone is management


now telling pilots to come back early to do medical or they wont pay him
new contract training can be done in own time
say min of 15 day for visa ut you only work 15 :ugh:


we are all early start and late finish
expect medical at 8am after 5am finish
bad traning
bad attitude




WESTAIR showing who they are


WE TALK TO EACH OTHR ALL ARE LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS

[capta320driver]

The company has a bad attitude and promises things that they will not come through with. Instructors are not released even though they have been working as such for years for this company. That's bad attitude not paying the captains for the work they do. Flights are often delayed. Administration sucks as the HR and other fractions off the company knows **** and ***** up everything. And even when they make a mistake they will do it the Asian way......lies you straight into your face even if you can prove them wrong.
I will not resign new contract. 3 years will be enough. I can not stand this amateur company. In fact it is a GA company with big jets.
Stay away and do not go to West Air if you are smart and listen to folks that have been through the bucket off **** they serve you

[B1898]

Differt agency offering differt contractUFENG offer $12,500 other offer different NOONE knows what the contract isPilots startimg to leave, no one renew contract nowIf you have a family you will never see then as you will tour all time. school fees in CKg $3000 for a kid a month!LOOK GUYScaptal offer $13,500 a month for 45 hoursWA $13,500 for 67 hoursWA will lie to you, expect you to do all trining in your rest period. when admin screw up your medical or visa they will not pay youmy contract less than a year to run ....adios amigonew fleet manager 'PUTA DIABLO'

[sumkin]

Overall its not too bad.....still new pilots coming to join WA

[chinafrog]

sumkin; I take it your an agent from your other posts and so not to tell truth!in last month 2 foregn pilots leave everyone else not want to staycrew apartment now removed and WA offer no house allowancetraing in days off, early start, long days, late finish, sub hotelall other china airline now offer better terms ; capital, Qingdao, gullin, gx, Chengduwa air base salary is it, and want 67 hour per month on 15 dayother want 45 or 50 then overtimedo the figures, go elsehwrealso ignore all rules on rest period and don't care

[Sambombero]

Cofirmed WA will not provide accomodation anymore so put that also in your numbers.Try to find a non stincky place to live in ckg,prepare your wallet.Zero help from HR,you are on your own in this non friendly place for foreigners.Expect medical check EVERY DAY you report for duty (blood press,heart rate,alcohol check,questionaries etc).Only chinese carrier putting this crap into their pilots.(only laoweis,chinese no need to do it).Even if you are a healthy guy do not worry,chinese doctors will find you something wrong...people with normal blood press through all their lifes now failing it because of the increasing paranoia of doctors.If it was not enough all the crazyness of chinese caac medicals beware that some smart guy in wa has decided to put this extra pressure on foreign captains every day,so now your salary is on the loop everytime you put the damm bracelet.Advice,any other airline don't put you through this,so up to you.Residence permit which can be done in one day in other places in china expect 3 weeks here.Previously foreigners that left were fired,now for first time people just leaving for better options.

[chinafrog]

the latest WA decreeReport at 0530 for flightsim 1800report flight 0500this is legal as sim is not DUTY accord to WA... WTFSo you can rest doing simcomplete and utter madness