Canadian pilots survey

[Can737]

A friend sent me a survey for pilots who work in the Canadian industry, I think this is interesting.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/MWTX538

[er340790]

It's not mentioned here, but in several other surveys of professional groups, one of the most telling questions and responses was "Would you encourage your children to follow in your chosen profession?"

In Medicine, Law and Finance between 64% and 82% of respondents said either: 'No' or 'Definitely Not'. I have heard similar percentages for professional pilots polled in the US.

It seems the degradation of benefits, working conditions and relative levels of job-enjoyment all across the professions is in a pretty poor state. :(

(Or maybe we all just like a good moan to anyone who'll listen??? :})

[Can737]

It's not mentioned here, but in several other surveys of professional groups, one of the most telling questions and responses was "Would you encourage your children to follow in your chosen profession?"

In Medicine, Law and Finance between 64% and 82% of respondents said either: 'No' or 'Definitely Not'. I have heard similar percentages for professional pilots polled in the US.

It seems the degradation of benefits, working conditions and relative levels of job-enjoyment all across the professions is in a pretty poor state. :(

(Or maybe we all just like a good moan to anyone who'll listen??? :})

It definitely makes you think when some operators ask their pilots to pay an up front cash training bond and offer to pay up to 14000$ a year to operate a flying coffin in a poor work environment. Not sure you want to wish any of that for your kids and their first job.

[wadefac]

Maybe tell your kid NOT to screw his/her first employer.............you think employers thought of this first................i can tell you first hand where pilots got a 7K endorsement only to catch the first flight back to Vancouver , and NEVER did a revenue flight. This is how it started at a major regional in northern Manitoba. Thank you west coast pilots. Because pilots are self centered and egotistical they get what they deserve......just not man enough to admit who is at fault.........:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[+TSRA]

So, from what I just saw of that survey, it appears to be the professional association guys from "the other site." I'll admit, some thought-provoking questions, but from the same soup as before.

Into the discussion.

I agree with wadefac. When working up in the arctic, I also saw more than a couple guys from YYZ, YUL, YVR and a whole host of other places come up, run through our training program, obtain the PPC, do Line Indoc and then catch the first flight back down south. Same here at my current gig in Alberta.

Some might give us a whole month of flying if they were generous. They'd actually stick out like a sore thumb after a while: the guy or gal would gush at how they'd always wanted to fly up north and how they were "so sick" of the city life but that, maybe one day they'd go back.

Some operators have been forced into this position of having pilots pay for the training. While I disagree completely with the practice, I understand it. From their perspective, they can't afford for that much money to go out the door. Have a couple pilots do that to you and of course you're going to become jaded to it.

But would I want my son to follow me? I'll be having a long, hard talk with him in 17 years if he decides that is what he wants, but so long as he comes in with eyes wide open, then I have no problem...assuming the industry in 17 years looks anything like it does now.

[Can737]

from what I just saw of that survey, it appears to be the professional association guys from "the other site."....


I don't think so.

I agree with wadefac. When working up in the arctic, I also saw more than a couple guys from YYZ, YUL, YVR and a whole host of other places come up, run through our training program, obtain the PPC, do Line Indoc and then catch the first flight back down south. Same here at my current gig in Alberta.


Some operators have been forced into this position of having pilots pay for the training. While I disagree completely with the practice, I understand it.

I don't think most pilots have issues with fair training bonds that don't require up front cash, everyone understands why they are here and they won't disappear anytime soon.
Up front cash training bonds wouldn't be an issue if some business owners weren't running their operation like it is the early 20th century.

How do you cope with threats of getting fired and loosing your deposit because don't want to fly into conditions you think are dangerous or illegal?

[treykule]

How do you cope with threats of getting fired and loosing your deposit because don't want to fly into conditions you think are dangerous or illegal?

.....document, document. Document. .......as long as your perception of dangerous conditions is correct.

When I perused the survey, it seemed to me, it was very biased, and looking not for information, as much as validation. I too, got the sense it was the pilot's association resurrection.

The sense I got of the college or whatever them were , or are, is they had one agenda, and were trying to sell another. But that might have just been my perception.






I don't think most pilots have issues with fair training bonds that don't require up front cash, everyone understands why they are here and they won't disappear anytime soon.
Up front cash training bonds wouldn't be an issue if some business owners weren't running their operation like it is the early 20th century.

How do you cope with threats of getting fired and loosing your deposit because don't want to fly into conditions you think are dangerous or illegal?[/QUOTE]