8.33 Radios

[wrecker]

Update – 8.33 kHz equipage funding support project
17th June 2016
As previously reported, the BGA has supplied information to the CAA in support of a funding bid to help owners with their costs of equipping with 8.33 kHz capable radios. This bid opportunity followed effective lobbying at the European Commission four years ago by Europe Air Sports.
The CAA facilitated bid has been successful; a recently published European Commission document listing 200 successful projects under what are called the ‘CEF transport call for proposals’ includes ‘2015-UK-TM-0150-M, SESAR, Other Projects, 8.33kHz Radio Equipage for the UK GA Fleet. Total estimated costs 21,7 million Euro. Funding granted 4,4 million Euro (20%)’. You can view the document below

http://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/infrastructure/ten-t-guidelines/project-funding/doc/cef/2015-cef-selected-proposals.pdf
However June 23 may change all that!

[A and C]

Very good, now how do I claim 20% of the cost of 6 radios ?

[TheOddOne]

...or do we wait until 2017 to see if it's all going to go away? Te people who will be really angry in that case will be those who went early with changes to serviceable radios.

Someone told me that provided you carry a portable capable of 8.33, you're good in Class 'G'.

TOO

[welkyboy]

You don't need a radio at all in class G, let alone 8.33 spacing!! There are loads of aircraft in UK with no radios or electrics.... I know as I have one!!

[300hrWannaB]

All very well and good. Potentially even legal. Unless you actualy want to go anywhere.

[A and C]

An aircraft will fly without a radio and there are plenty of people who can read a signals square and make a safe landing.

This is not my bag when it comes to aviation but don't recry it because basic airmanship is essential even to the budding airline pilots.

Just remember even those flying airliners are only an electrical fire checklist away from flying VFR with only a compass for guidance.

[Sir Niall Dementia]

300 HrWannabe;

Actually totally legal. One of my machines has no electrics and an Icom radio. Last year I flew that non-radio from East Anglia to Eaglescott. I trained on non-radio machines, and believe me when you have ops/guard/handling/atis going continually in one box and ATC in the other while at work the peace and quiet of a non-radio day is heaven.

SND

[Sam Rutherford]

Returning the thread slightly to subject (!) is there any word on how this 'help' will be practically delivered?

[patowalker]

Someone told me that provided you carry a portable capable of 8.33, you're good in Class 'G'.

Not only Class G, just not in Class A, B and C. :)

[wrecker]

Sam
I think it might depend on what happens today. 23 June

[TCAS FAN]

wrecker

Today's result will have no relevance to a change to 8.33 KHZ spacing. It simply will happen as CAA has apparently run out of assignable 25 KHZ frequencies.

For those that fly and use an ICOM A6 transceiver and it's 25 KHZ spaced, time to check if its upgradeable (later models are), if so get it done now before the likely price rise. If you use an ICOM A3 my understanding is that they are not upgradeable.

[Sam Rutherford]

TCAS FAN

Wrecker was referring to the money that has apparently been made available to owners who have to change their radios - European money, so possibly no longer available in the event of Brexit...

[The Ancient Geek]

EASA is not the same as EU, we are unlikely to leave EASA.

[TCAS FAN]

The Ancient Greek confirms my understanding, Brexit will not affect 8.33 KHZ spacing. Get your bids in!

[Maoraigh1]

But it is likely to affect EU funding for anything in the UK.

[Sam Rutherford]

I agree with Maoraigh1, not sure our continued membership of EASA will help us get EU funds in the event of Brexit - but, frankly, who knows...