View Full Version : EASA - FAA FCL treaty indefinately postponed
>>This rumour appears to be verified.
What this means is that the current postponement, April 2017, is likely to be postponed further.
Until then, FAA licensed pilots can fly on their papers in Europe without needing to get European equivalent papers.
Nobody I know knows the reason for why the negotiations got nowhere<<
On another site ! If true it's an EASA mess
Jan Olieslagers
7th Jun 2016, 17:11
Not clear what you are referring to :) even apart from the indefinitely ridiculous spelling mess...
crablab
7th Jun 2016, 17:33
Until then, FAA licensed pilots can fly on their papers in Europe without needing to get European equivalent papers.
How does it work the other way; flying N-reg in Europe on an EASA FCL?
Kemble Pitts
7th Jun 2016, 21:44
Crablab
You can fly N-reg on your locally issued licence but only in the airspace of the issuing country. So, if your EASA licence was issued by UK CAA then you can fly an N-reg aircraft within UK airspace.
FAA doesn't recognise EASA as an issuing 'state' so you can't fly the aircraft to France for example (unless you also have a French-issued licence of some sort, appropriate to the type being flown, and you 'swap licences' at the FIR boundary!).
I did look it up once, from memory its in FAR 91 IIRC.
crablab
8th Jun 2016, 06:36
FAA doesn't recognise EASA as an issuing 'state' so you can't fly the aircraft to France for example (unless you also have a French-issued licence of some sort, appropriate to the type being flown, and you 'swap licences' at the FIR boundary!).
Thank you!
It all seems a little stupid and short sighted really... I guess we'll never get the ideal now EASA have faltered?
https://www.euroga.org/
This is the website claiming the BASA has collapsed
If true there are supposed to be 8000 FAA licensed pilots in the EU some with money to make legal challenges against this unfair chaotic mess
Adriat
11th Jun 2016, 20:56
What if we holders of EASA PPL do a conversion to FAA, would that allow us flying of an N registered aircraft in all EU member states?
WhiskeyPapa
12th Jun 2016, 03:31
"What if we holders of EASA PPL do a conversion to FAA, would that allow us flying of an N registered aircraft in all EU member states?"
Yes (FWIW I hold both FAA & EASA PPLs).
S-Works
13th Jun 2016, 10:14
It's the dual qualification requirements for those holding more than vain all PPLs that has caused the angst. Lots of FAA only licence holders who are unable/unprepared to convert to the European equivalent in order to comply.
I always knew that this deal would fall apart at the last moment,the stuff that EASA were asking the FAA to agree to in order to reach an agreement on bilateral recognition was unreasonable. Things like demanding the FAA require LPC every year on ratings EASA style when the FAA system is long tried and proven was always going to be a stumbling block.
I took the precaution years ago of duplicating everything possible between mine and know plenty of other people who did the same.
It's going to be interesting to se what the next steps will be.....