sep ppl a

[much2much]

Could any one possibly inform one, if it is possible to renew,a S.E.P. on a U.K. P.P.L. in a permit aircraft and what is involved in the GST.:E

[foxmoth]

I presume you have actually let it lapse?

[much2much]

indded it has

[Genghis the Engineer]

Yes you can do it in a permit aircraft, so long as the training organisation / instructor and examiner are happy with the aircraft. You can't rent the aeroplane, but if you are sole owner it's no problem - I'd need to double check the current ANO / exemption provisions if you're a partial owner, but I think that's possible also and somebody might know the answer without me having to dig.

You need training as required, and the instructor to be happy for you to go forward for test.

The test will be essentially the same as your original PPL skill test, except for a bit less nav.

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[Capt Kremmen]

As a part owner of a Permit a/c, yes, you can. Many Permit a/c have a comprehensively kitted panel and carry much the same nav instrumentation as a certified aircraft.

With IFR enablement just around the corner, adequate instrumentation is fitted as standard on many of the newer types.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Dual controls are a bit more important here than fancy instruments.

G

[Whopity]

The test will be essentially the same as your original PPL skill test, except for a bit less nav.
No, it will be a Profficiency Check as per SRG 1157 not the same as the initial issue Skill Test.

[Genghis the Engineer]

And the differences of content are..?

G

[Capt Kremmen]

Not 'fancy' essential, just like 'dual'.

I do love a smart a### !

[MrAverage]

The content of the LPC is decided by the Examiner and depends largely on the individual's experience, currency and by how long he or she has lapsed. There is a minimum content, however certain items from the initial test can be omitted, such as the 180 instrument turn and the precautionary landing among others. The average LPC should be accomplished in around an hour to an hour and fifteen, whereas the initial invariably takes over two hours.

[Genghis the Engineer]

Not 'fancy' essential, just like 'dual'.

I do love a smart a### !
Pray tell, why is IFR instrument capability "essential" to training as required then a proficiency check for a lapsed PPL? For that matter why would anything more than minimum legal instrumentation and a working radio be needed?

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[Capt Kremmen]

For you Genghis old chap, the clue lies in my part sentence: "With IFR enablement just around the corner........".

[Genghis the Engineer]

And again, I ask, why is that relevant to renewing a PPL?

G

[Capt Kremmen]

Re-read and again as necessary. You'll get there !

[Genghis the Engineer]

Nope, the OP asked about whether he could renew a lapsed PPL in a permit aircraft.

He didn't mention an IR(R), whether he wanted to use the aeroplane subsequently, whether he was in fact ever interested in instrument flying. He asked whether he could renew a lapsed PPL.

Not that IFR in homebuilts is in any way a bad thing - it's an excellent thing, also I agree that many homebuilts are better equipped than many CofA aeroplanes. It's just got nothing to do with the question.

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[foxmoth]

Re-read and again as necessary. You'll get there !

I read that and thought the same as Genghis, just re-read and still Do not understand your thinking??

[Fly-by-Wife]

It appears from this and several other threads that Capt Kremen is exhibiting troll-like behaviour. Ignore him and he will eventually give up and annoy someone else.

Even if he isn't a troll, the same advice still applies, I would suggest.

[300hrWannaB]

As a PPL with VFR qualifications and access to an EASA plane with VFR capability (only), I am intrigued about this sudden requirement for everyone and every plane to be IR(R) capable.

Or have I missed something. Sorry for the thread drift.

[Capt Kremmen]

Oh dear !

Genghis, I answered the OP and endorsed your opening statement at 4#. While still on the subject, I then extended matters slightly to include IFR enablement for Permit a/c. from the point that the OP might, at some time in the future, go down that route.

foxmoth
Is all now revealed ? If you found it obscure then, it must really have been so !

[Capt Kremmen]

Fly-by-wife

It's Kremmen with two 'ems'. I'm honoured that you think me capable of 'trolling' whatever that is. I'll take medical.advice.

[Whopity]

And the differences of content are..? One takes 2 hours 30 minutes the other around 55 minutes. The differences are subtle but it should be uderstood, a licence issue Skill Test is never repeated. There are many examples of candidates being required to complete an inappropriate test!

[Genghis the Engineer]

Cheers Whopity - clearly something I need to go and have a read up on.

(Although they still won't need advanced avionics to do it I'm sure!)

G

[Whopity]

They don't need any avionics! Though a radio might be useful.