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Sideslipper
27th Mar 2016, 17:02
As a PPL flying VFR during a Zone Transit or MATZ Penetration under a Basic or Traffic Service, and squawking A & C as directed by a Radar LARS provider, why am I usually requested to "report at ....", some position en-route (usually a point(s) close to the airfield).
Why do I need to do that? I rather thought you guys would be keeping an eye on me lest I stray from the straight and narrow.:=
Is it so that we can agree that I am where we both think I am.:ok:
HEATHROW DIRECTOR
27th Mar 2016, 18:11
I think it may be as a reminder for the controller who may be extremely busy. See if you can arrange a visit and you'll see what I mean.
Talkdownman
27th Mar 2016, 19:32
Under a Basic Service, regardless of squawk, you are not necessarily being monitored on a surveillance device.
kcockayne
27th Mar 2016, 19:33
I would agree with you, HD. Just because the a/c is identified on Radar & receiving a Radar Service does not obviate the necessity in the Radar Controller's view, to get a check at any particular point; for whatever reason he may have.
Fly4Business
27th Mar 2016, 20:24
Because radar coverage is seldom 100 percent and others in the vicinity should know where you are.
ATCO Fred
27th Mar 2016, 21:47
As a PPL flying VFR during a Zone Transit or MATZ Penetration under a Basic or Traffic Service, and squawking A & C as directed by a Radar LARS provider, why am I usually requested to "report at ....", some position en-route (usually a point(s) close to the airfield).
Why do I need to do that? I rather thought you guys would be keeping an eye on me lest I stray from the straight and narrow.:=
Is it so that we can agree that I am where we both think I am.:ok:
Quite simple really. 8 aircraft on frequency Basic Service give 8 people 1 thing each to remember rather than the controller remember 8 things - capacity management. That and trigger response; when you get to a certain area and I have something to do for your flight so ask for a check call to remind me to do it. . . .e.g. a point 30nm from the radar where I can't control you anymore so you remind me to transfer you to an adjacent unit.
Bright-Ling
30th Mar 2016, 07:53
Dumping points. Simple as that.
Report abeam xxxx or Report crossing xxxx
Probably followed by a QSY
chevvron
30th Mar 2016, 13:32
Dumping points. Simple as that.
Report abeam xxxx or Report crossing xxxx
Probably followed by a QSY
QSY was removed from CAP 413 phraseology about 20 years ago.(or it could have been 30 years)
Thread on QSY running in 'Flying Instructors and Examiners'.
Bright-Ling
30th Mar 2016, 15:00
QSY was removed from CAP 413 phraseology about 20 years ago.(or it could have been 30 years)
Thread on QSY running in 'Flying Instructors and Examiners'.
Yep.
"Dumping points" are the same
Jeeeez!
chevvron
30th Mar 2016, 16:09
I used to use 'report crossing the M4' as an excuse to transfer (not QSY) people to Benson.
Bright-Ling
30th Mar 2016, 16:45
Isn't QSY accepted as a colloquialism?
chevvron
30th Mar 2016, 16:53
Personally I don't mind, but the CAA object to its use.
ZOOKER
30th Mar 2016, 17:34
Sideslipper,
I'm with Kockayne, HD and ATCO Fred. It's often used as an 'attention-getter' for the controller, who may be working over half-a-dozen other a/c. Also, landlines/intercoms will be going too. Just because the frequency is quiet, doesn't mean the workload is low.
It's not as easy to arrange as it used to be, but if you haven't done so already, do go and visit ATC........They're all very friendly folk who like chatting with pilots.........Honestly.
2 sheds
4th Apr 2016, 08:21
Isn't QSY accepted as a colloquialism?
Accepted by whom?
Personally I don't mind, but the CAA object to its use.
Of course the CAA "object" to it, and so should you! - it is not one of the very few Q codes still in use, therefore it has no official meaning, new pilots/Atcos/Fisos cannot be expected to be aware of its meaning, and therefore anyone using it could create misunderstanding.
2 s
Get down with the kids at Urban Dictionary.....
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=QSY
SilentHandover
5th Apr 2016, 12:36
Well that says it all, amateur.
Well that says it all, amateur.
Happier with Novice......
You just wish you were as cool
As me, Bear Grylls ;-)
chevvron
5th Apr 2016, 23:31
Well that says it all, amateur.
Always called 'hams' at one time.
CQ,CQ,CQ