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8th Mar 2016, 12:14

Struggling to find the information out there which states if someone who has flown in a University Air Squadron can count their SEP hours towards the training required for the issue of the EASA LAPL.


8th Mar 2016, 17:57
One way to do it is to get a NPPL first, then convert it once issued to a LAPL. This is an administrative process only, no more flying, just the application fee. CAP 804 Part II Flight Crew Licensing: Mandatory Requirements, Policy and Guidance

2.1.7 Military experience towards NPPL(A) (SSEA) An applicant for the NPPL(A) with SSEA Class Rating shall be given appropriate accreditation for any theoretical and ying training and ying experience gained during military service. A Medical Of cer in HM Forces who is included in the register of GPs maintained by the GMC may, in certain circumstances, countersign an NPPL Medical Declaration.
FlyingTraining. Any previous ying training on Single Engine Piston (Land) aeroplanes conducted by an FI(A) or current Quali ed Flying Instructor (QFI) may be counted towards the 32 hour minima of ying training and consolidation required before the applicant may take the NST and GST required for the grant of an NPPL(A) with SSEA Class Rating. This may include:
a) Service Flying Scholarship ying.
b) Elementary Flying Training (EFT) ying.
c) University Air Squadron (UAS) ying.
d) Service Pilots under training.
e) Service Pilots withdrawn from ying training.

8th Mar 2016, 20:49
mrmum, you are completely wrong - it would help if you would delete your last post...

UAS credit is described in CAP 804 Part II Section 5 Part A appendix 1 page 6 (.pdf page 864/930):

Pilots who have received formal flying training at a UAS shall receive full accreditation for such flying training. No accreditation will be given for ‘air experience’ flying conducted by pilots who are neither current QFIs nor holders of civil pilot licences containing valid FI(A) Ratings.

So any Pu/t time TriBeCa had with proper QFIs and any PIC time will count towards an NPPL. Whereas air experience flying with non-QFIs will not.

Nothing has changed in this respect since I first wrote the credit agreement all those years ago!

TriBeCa, I suggest that you contact your nearest RAFFCA Club and obtain an NPPL with them, then convert it either to a LAPL(A) or via a 'virtual LAPL(A)' to a Part-FCL PPL(A).

9th Mar 2016, 10:14
Many thanks for the info BEagle :ok:

12th Mar 2016, 13:58
Hi Beagle - my son is in a current UAS with approx 45 hours including 7 solo at the moment. I assume that to convert this UAS experience to civil the log books etc need to be stamped, ppl exams have to be passed plus medical of course. Am I missing anything? I have agreed to fund his PPL as a 21st present. He is still intent on a military flying career if he can get in. Any advice gratefully received.

B/rgds, Olster

13th Mar 2016, 08:43
olster, for credit towards the UK NPPL with SSEA Class Rating, see CAP 804 Part II section 5 part A Appendix 1 pp5-6 (.pdf 863&864 / 930).

The UAS should really know this as the credit has been in place for many years now - but please note that only PIC time or flight instruction conducted by QFIs or civil FI(A) holders will be credited - air experience time will not.

Regrettably, thanks to the loss of the previously excellent military accreditation system, there is currently no credit towards either the LAPL or PPL. Although once your lad has his NPPL/SSEA, he can convert it to a LAPL (or PPL) in the same manner as any other NPPL holder.

If he hasn't already done so, I recommend that your son buys a civil logbook and enters all qualifying flight time. Note that he should use the 'chock-to-chock' time recorded in the flight authorisation sheets to calculate flight time in a civil logbook, rather than just the RAF's take-off to landing time. The UASs do so little flying these days that it shouldn't be difficult to find the old auth sheets...

13th Mar 2016, 18:27
Dear Beagle,

Thank you very much for the info. We / I will proceed as cleared; I work in the industry - civil, not military - but it is great to have your advice. The devil is always in the detail which of course is not always clear.

With b/rgds,