Qatar 777 take off incident Miami

[ATC Watcher]

Could not find back original thread , sorry .

Report: Qatar Airways fires pilots involved in Miami takeoff incident - Doha News (http://dohanews.co/report-qatar-airways-fires-pilots-involved-in-miami-takeoff-incident/)

Just culture at its best again

[Hotel Tango]

I'm torn about what is the right outcome. On the one hand it was very unfortunate and one can have sympathy with the crew because of the mitigating circumstances. On the other hand, there were 4 experienced pilots on the FD and it's quite frightening to think that all four of them missed the error. Let's be honest, it was a very close call to being a major disaster and total loss of life. I can understand the company electing to dismiss them because they just can't risk any of them being involved in an serious incident (or even accident) again. The lawyers would have a field day and the company would suffer greatly.

[Airbubba]

Here's the quote from the SMH interview article:

Mr Al Baker on Thursday reiterated "runway overruns happen very often in airports". But he said passengers could rest assured the Miami incident was the "first and last" time it would happen at his airline. "At no time was there any harm or any major safety issue for the aircraft and its passengers," he said, emphasising the plane landed safely.

The safety message became a little muddled when he was asked to explain why all of the pilots on the flight deck that day had been sacked.

"At Qatar Airways we will not accept any kind of lapses by pilots because they have hundreds of passengers whom they risked," he said. "[The pilot flying] was not asked to leave because he did anything by putting passengers at risk. What he did was he violated the company regulations on takeoff distance required by an aircraft, especially with the weight he was carrying on that aircraft."


An hour with 'His Excellency', the controversial Qatar Airways CEO (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/an-hour-with-his-excellency-the-controversial-qatar-airways-ceo-20160302-gn916p.html)

[Stone_cold]

Here it is ATC Watcher:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/567816-qatar-77w-mia.html

[flyby797]

Here's the preliminary report:http://www.caa.gov.qa/sites/default/files/Preliminary%20report%20QR778%20Miami_v3.pdf

[Twiglet1]

If its the first and last time then QR need to mitigate the 24hr rest period.
Not enough

[dch63]

punitive cultures in high-risk industries are like oil and water - they don't mix!

[JammedStab]

One positive thing for the crew. This is probably the best time to be out of a job. They will likely be working somewhere relatively soon.

[1a sound asleep]

His Excellency", the controversial Qatar Airways CEO


"My country is very modern. In my country you can mix with men. You can swim in the same swimming pool. We have lady drivers.

"Mr Al Baker on Thursday reiterated "runway overruns happen very often in airports"

"At no time was there any harm or any major safety issue for the aircraft and its passengers,"




Read more: An hour with 'His Excellency', the controversial Qatar Airways CEO (http://www.smh.com.au/business/aviation/an-hour-with-his-excellency-the-controversial-qatar-airways-ceo-20160302-gn916p#ixzz420Qsci00)

[ATC Watcher]

Back to the subject of punishment for errors :
[The pilot flying] was not asked to leave because he did anything by putting passengers at risk. What he did was he violated the company regulations on takeoff distance required by an aircraft, especially with the weight he was carrying on that aircraft."(Al Baker)

the first page of the preliminary investigation report: it would be inappropriate for this report to be used to assign fault or blame or determine liability,
since neither the investigation nor the reporting process has been undertaken for that purpose.
further in the report :As they taxied ... the commander decided that the aircraft could depart from the runway intersection T1. He could not recall why he made that decision, but believed it may have been because the printed information displayed ‘Runway 09#T1’ in a compelling way. The printed information contained no reference to the fact intersection
departures were not permissible from this runway ...and contained the message ‘No NOTAM data found’.

So not a voluntary decision to violate regulations but an "error" . Fatigue is not mentioned/investigated in that preliminary report.No previous flights info, no info on rest periods prior flight/etc. Hopefully the final one will cover that point. Not that it will change anything for the crew involved.
And unfortunately that report was indeed used to apportion blame.