EASAland acceptance of ICAO license

[9 lives]

I've had a look through the search, and not found any threads about ICAO license acceptability in EASA counties. Does anyone have any experience with this?

My Canadian license says it is an ICAO license. If EASA countries are ICAO members also, would they too accept my Canadian license as is? I seek only to exercise the day VFR PPL privileges of my Canadian CPL in EASA countries....

[flybymike]

EASA wont even accept a fully ICAO compliant UK national licence beyond April 2018, and (at the moment) the UK is still part of Europe.

I presume you would not have any difficulty using your licence if not actually resident in Europe.

[Fly4Business]

EASAland sometimes tries to establish themselves as counterICAO, so do not expect much.

[MrAverage]

No problem in the UK sir. We rent to ICAO licence holders often, subject to UK familiarisation training beforehand.


PM if you wish.......

[Prop swinger]

Step Turn,

The answer is, it depends on when & where you want to fly. The current EASA rules are very simple, you need an EASA licence to fly an EASA aircraft in EASA airspace.

However, we are still in a transitional phase where EASA rules are not yet compulsory, individual countries may choose to apply their old rules until April 8th 2016 (although that date may change again.) The UK is one country that still applies the old rules so your ICAO PPL is legal for VFR non-commercial here, other countries rules will be different. The only certainty I can offer is that getting yourself an EASA PPL will cover you through EASA-land.

[Whopity]

The UK is one country that still applies the old rules so your ICAO PPL is legal for VFR non-commercial here, other countries rules will be different.But only for Annex II Aircraft! Art 62. For EASA aircraft that ceases in April 2016 however; rumour has it that it may be extended for another 12 months!

[riverrock83]

If you're flying a Canadian reg aircraft, then you should be OK for brief stays - which is what ICAO gives you. If you want to fly other reg aircraft, local rules apply.
Eg, for UK see http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/InformationNotice2015028.pdf
Note - this is changing in a month's time. I expect you would then need to validate your licence.
Form may be this one, but I think new advice is due to be published:
SRG1118N: Validation of Flight Crew Licences Issued by ICAO Contracting States - Issue and Renewal (FCL25) (http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?appid=11&catid=1&id=468&mode=detail&pagetype=65)

[Flying Tooth Driller]

Despite Pace's assertion (in another thread in January) that he had 100% info. that the EU had extended the date to April 2017, there has been absolutely no evidence of this that I have seen anywhere. If it is indeed true, they are certainly waiting till the last minute to make the announcement.

[9 lives]

Yeah, I've been 'round and round with this, talking to a number of officials and well informed people, there seems to be nowhere to go with it. I don't see myself following the EASA licensing path for my Canadian license, it's just not worth the cost and effort. I'll just really appreciate the simplicity of my Canadian privileges! Thanks for the input!

[ifitaintboeing]

An ICAO compliant licence is rendered valid for use in EASA and non-EASA aircraft by provisions contained in the UK by the Air Navigation Order (CAP 393 (http://www.caa.co.uk/cap393)) Article 62. However, EU legislation will override this from 08th April 2016, meaning that you may not operate an EASA aircraft without an EASA licence from that date. You will be able to obtain a short-term validation which will be valid for a maximum of 12 months, thereafter you will require an EASA licence.

See Information Notice 2014-171 (http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Information%20Notice%202014171.pdf) and CAP 804, Section 4, Part Q, Subpart 1, page 1 (http://www.caa.co.uk/cap804), for more detail.

It is expected that the date, which has already slipped to 2016, will shortly be moved to 08th April 2017.

ifitaint...

[BillieBob]

Clearly not looking hard enough - From the latest report on EASA developments from the UK CAA (IN-2016/024 (http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/modalapplication.aspx?catid=1&pagetype=65&appid=11&mode=detail&id=7251)):
Regulation 1178/2011 Flight Crew Licensing, amendment delaying the implementation of the provisions for third country pilots licences. The Commission advised that the amendment is moving through the Council and Parliament co-decision process and should be in place by 8 April 2016. The change is intended to allow additional time to conclude a change to the EU-US bilateral aviation safety agreement to include new arrangements for Flight Crew Licensing.

[Flying Tooth Driller]

BillieBob - well, a week later, and nothing (unless your eagle eye has spotted it) - so they are cutting it fine! The wording of the amendment is not specified in the report, so we can only presume the date is put off for another year. In the meantime, this has now been delayed for ages, with no evidence that there have been any safety issues arising (or are there?). Kind of makes one ask why they need to do this at all.....

[flybymike]

Kind of makes one ask why they need to do this at all.....
Precisely!