EASA PPL - Exercise 19 Basic Instrument Flight

[this is my username]

Hi

Could anyone please let me know if there is a minimum hours requirement for Ex 19 of the EASA PPL(A) syllabus (Basic Instrument Flight) or is it at the discretion of the instructor / ATO?

Trying to understand what the minimum instrument training requirements requirements are for an LAPL holder adding a night rating but I'm not having much luck with CAP 804.

Thanks

[mykul10]

There is no minimum training requirement in the syllabus, but at least at T scan to cover basic manoeuvres should be taught. If you have an ATO approved course manual that will have a suggested training time.

I would suggest that for a LAPL you give the same IF training as you would to a PPL before the Night Rating.

[this is my username]

Thanks for the reply!

[Whopity]

The LAPL syllabus does not include any Instrument flying therefore (a) (2) applies:
FCL.810 Night rating
(a) Aeroplanes, TMGs, airships.

(1) If the privileges of an LAPL or a PPL for aeroplanes, TMGs or airships are to be exercised in VFR conditions at night, applicants shall have completed a training course at an ATO. The course shall comprise:

(i) theoretical knowledge instruction;

(ii) at least 5 hours of flight time in the appropriate aircraft category at night, including at least 3 hours of dual instruction, including at least 1 hour of cross-country navigation with at least one dual cross-country flight of at least 50 km and 5 solo take-offs and 5 solo full-stop landings.

(2) Before completing the training at night, LAPL holders shall have completed the basic instrument flight training required for the issue of the PPL.

[this is my username]

Thanks Whoppity - I had seen that, the question was whether there is a minimum hours requirement for the "basic instrument flight training required for the issue of the PPL" or if it is just "as required".

[BEagle]

It's 'as required' - which will no doubt confuse many Member States who seem to have a need to have a rule for everything.....:\

'So. Number 1 - Sit down'.........:rolleyes:

[condor17]

TIMU , On the PPL syllabus we are teaching . We and [ we understand the CAA ] require a minimum of 1 hour for Ex.19 .
Certainly back in 1971 I had 1 hour on Ex. 19 , and I don't think it's changed .
If wiser heads have more lawyer type knowledge , I'll stand corrected .

rgds condor .

[Whopity]

Certainly back in 1971 I had 1 hour on Ex. 19 , and I don't think it's changed . Actually its changed 3 times since then!

Firstly, the 1 hour became 4 hours sometime in the 80s

In July 1999 we adopted JAR-FCL where the 4 hours diisappeard and became Ex 19 as required
We and [ we understand the CAA ] require a minimum of 1 hour for Ex.19
In April 2014 we changed to EU regulation, the CAA no longer have any say in the matter, and it remained at Ex 19 as required to comply with the EU syllabus.

[Pull what]

If one hour of exercise 19 was required for licence issue it would need to be signed off on the application form, as it isnt, there is not therefore a mandatory requirement of one hours instrument flying for licence issue

http://publicapps.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1105AFFenabld.pdf

[MrAverage]

Since the taxy, pre take off checks, take off and departure up to (say) 2000ft need to be visual, as does the re-join, circuit and landing, I'd say it'd be pretty difficult to teach the requirement to any meaningful standard in less than one hour.....

[MrAverage]

......and the slow flight requirement is not on the form either. The Head of Training signs that all requirements have been met, including Ex 19.

[Whopity]

SRG1157 contains the following statement:I have found that the applicant's instruction and experience comply with Part FCL and confirm that all the required manoeuvres and exercises have been completed How would you know, especially if they qualified 30 years ago?