Effect of leaving the EU on GA

[uniandpilot]

What effect do you guys think it will have on the GA in Britain

[creweite]

Make confusion more confounded!!

[Capt Kremmen]

Clarity - hopefully !

[mikehallam]

I should think that regaining our own Sovereignty would be worth it regardless.

Which is why the finely worded financial suggestions propounded by either side for & against for richer or poorer don't add up to a can of beans !

Possibly the EASA strife will be frozen and eventually our remaining CAA officers will get us re-aligned with proper International standards (as previously functioning perfectly well enough for decades) and that the sensible 'derogations' already fought for will be ours as long as we want without further grovelling.

EEC's faceless and largely self seeking amateur beaurocrats' have only gained aviation knowledge at our expense by contact with our various flying association teaching them some obvious basics. All this has a persistent cost to to all of us & has achieved Zilch ever since EASA reared is ugly and pointless head.

You might guess my desire is for Great Britain to Trade with the world but not kneel meekly before unelected agencies.

mike hallam.


mike hallam

[dublinpilot]

Possibly the EASA strife will be frozen and eventually our remaining CAA officers will get us re-aligned with proper International standards (as previously functioning perfectly well enough for decades)

I thought you guys all hated the CAA, until they tried to be nice after EASA threatened their jobs?

[Jan Olieslagers]

Whether the UK be in or out the EU would as such not make a lot of difference, aviationwise. More relevant would be if they stepped out of EASA (but perhaps that is explicitly connected to being in the EU?), and, even more, if they joined Schengen.

[Capt Kremmen]

mikehallam

You got it - spot on !

[Johnm]

It won't make any difference as the Airbus and CAT interests will ensure the UK stays with EASA.

In fact leaving the EU will merely mean that we have to meet EU standards in order to trade with them, but won't have any influence on the development of those standards.

[Genghis the Engineer]

I think it'll make no difference.

UK government has dismantled CAA, will have no appetite to rebuild it - and it may be impossible they've deskilled it so much.

UK will stay in EASA - after all other countries such as Norway and Switzerland are EASA members without being EU members, so it's perfectly possible.

G

[Forfoxake]

Think it will break up the UK and therefore lead to having to file a flight plan (and probably a GAR form) when flying between Scotland and the remainder of the UK (and vice versa).

[Pace]

The problem would be that the EASA regs are written for EU member states and while many could be incorporated by an independent UK not all would stand up to legal scrutiny without the UK rewriting and in effect creating their own bespoke EASA regs

Are they likely to do that IMO if we vote out YES

The other option would be to go back to the old CAA regs but the UK would want to be as harmonised as possible with its neighbouring airspace.

Nevertheless the UK could be selective on which parts to incorporate and which to reject

The 3rd country elements would be interesting as for that to apply the UK would have to bespoke that to the UK whether they would be motivated to do so is another matter
So I could see it as part EASA part CAA which would be good as there could still be room for influence against the least desirable parts of EASA regs

I would go with what Mike Hallam states.

I see EASA as a huge missed opportunity in harmonising world aviation. They should have taken the tried and tested FAA system and modified it to suit European needs but instead decided to re write the whole book at huge needless cost to the European tax payer and probably more to secure EASAs employees benefits and to pander to powerful pressure groups than to further the health and expansion of aviation in Europe and world wide

DC appears to be achieving nothing of his key demands and i fear that a vote for Europe will also be a vote to hand complete control of our country to Europe
Those who state that it will cost us to leave the EU don't look at WHAT IT WILL cost us in huge immigration and taxation when we have no say over our own borders, finances and laws
The UK only ever voted for a common market place. This vote will be far more serious as an in vote will be a vote to hand powers and eventually government and control to Brussels

Pace

[Whopity]

and eventually our remaining CAA officers will get us re-aligned with proper International standards (as previously functioning perfectly well enough for decadesOnly last week they anounced yet another tranch of redundancies. There is nobody left who remembers the "old system" so most probably they will blunder on with the current hotch potch of muddled rules and ideas. The CAA has passed its critical mass so there is little hope of redemption and certainly no money to pay for it. Irrespective of the outcome of any referendum, chaos and confusion is likely to prevail for at least a decade.

[Pace]

Whopity

In the event that we voted out I agree with you that there is no way the CAA would resurrect the old system.
They would still have to take the EASA regulation frame work.
But parts would be legal nonsense as written so someone would have to rewrite those sections to be UK specific
For instance the third country dual licensing as it presently stands would not apply to the UK so that would have to be rewritten legally to apply etc
And so on through many of the EASA regs

Pace

[Mach Jump]

I'm afraid I agree with Genghis and Whopity.

EASA now has a life of it's own, outside the EU, and I think we are already past the point where there is anyone left at the CAA who could reconstruct the old system, even if they wanted to do so.


MJ:ok:

[xrayalpha]

This all came up in Scotland at the time of the referendum.

Answer is:

There are several non-EU countries in EASA already.

[tmmorris]

I'm sure the CAA could rebuild themselves with retired RAF officers again. The latter know everything there is to know about aviation, especially GA...

[Capt Kremmen]

If we voted out of the EU, we have voted for a return to full sovereignty so, we do not have to accept anything at all from the EU much less a 'residual EASA framework'.

We then gain an opportunity to sweep away ancient CAA cobwebs and draft a new system based on simplicity and openness and one that reflects the GA of to-day and not one largely formulated in the past and designed by men in blazers accompanied by more than a hint of class condescension.

[patowalker]

Oh, goodie! Then we can have the fun and games experienced by FAA PPL holders flying N reg GA aircraft in Europe.

[Pace]

Our near neighbours will still operate under EASA regs as stated legislation is legislation and just signing up to EASA would mean the legislation as is would not fit or be legal hence a certain amount of selection of those regs and rewriting of other parts to fit the UK would be needed
It is not just the case of non EU countries signing up to the EASA package

Pace

[Jan Olieslagers]

We then gain an opportunity to sweep away ancient CAA cobwebs and draft a new system

And how good are your governments at seizing such opportunities?

[Capt Kremmen]

patowalker

A minority interest if ever there was one !

Jan Oliestagers

We're about to find out - maybe !

[Sam Rutherford]

Absolutely no change, because should it happen the UK will immediately have to agree to continue with everything unchanged, until there is time to start renegotiating each and every thing that links the UK to the rest of Europe.

The rest of Europe will not be that interested in bothering to renegotiate - offering to accept the status quo or cease trading/flying whatever. The UK will have no choice but to comply...

But, the paperwork will keep lots of people busy for ages!