nppl rtf ato permit a/c

[much2much]

is there a need for nppl ssea ,or convertion to ssea from micro to be done by a RTF/ATO, how does training on LAA aircraft fit in here?

[Genghis the Engineer]

NPPL(M)-->NPPL(SSEA) needs to be done by an RTF or ATO, followed by a skill test.

NPPL(SSEA)-->NPPL(M) can be done by any suitably qualified instructor, but a skill test is also then required.

Either can be done on an LAA aircraft so long as the pilot being trained is an owner or part owner (or it's a type approved microlight).

And RTF / ATO needs to go through some process to add the aeroplane onto their books, but I believe that's reasonably straightforward.

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[Capt Kremmen]

Hasn't that proviso requiring the student to be owner or part owner just been removed?

Ab initio training is now allowed on Permit a/c, period - I think !

[Genghis the Engineer]

From a summary of the proposed new ANO amendments posted elsewhere..

All permit aircraft to be able to be used for training and hire, and with CAA permission for commercial use and night/IMC. Absolutely no CAT on permit aircraft however. Restrictions - for ab initio training, the permit aircraft either must be part owned by the student, or have previously held a CofA and are still in conformity with the type design.

(Full thread here (http://forums.flyer.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=97433))

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[Whopity]

NPPL(M)-->NPPL(SSEA) needs to be done by an RTF or ATO,Why? its not an EASA rating or licence so EU law does not apply. Nothing in the UK ANO, Art 80 or Schedule 7 specifies such a requirement! More back door red tape perhaps?

[Genghis the Engineer]

Delighted to be corrected if I'm wrong - I've instructed for the rating a couple of times, both within an RTF, certainly both CFIs and I thought that was the case although I don't recall right now the documentation we referred to.

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[BEagle]

Whopity, as you well know from your CAA days, the Authority accepted the NPPL P&SC requirement that training for the NPPL (SSEA) had to be conducted at a training organisation in the UK or IoM. See CAP804 - and yes, I know that you'll bleat about it not being a legal document...:rolleyes:

Part of the whole raison d'être for the NPPL was to reinvigorate the UK training scene, as well as reducing costs for student pilots due to the shorter, simpler syllabus.

So no, 'car boot' instruction is not acceptable for the NPPL.