EK - Fleet Forum, January 17th

[The.Humble.Guy]

So after months of moaning and groaning on PPrune about a million different issues, not a single response after the first fleet forum for the year. I was not in town on that day and so could not attend.

Anyone care to mention topics of the meeting?

[fringhtok]

I'm scratching my head trying to work out why anyone would go? If you'd been in town, would you have used your time off to go?

I was conned into wasting my time filling out an employee survey last year (or maybe two years ago?) and they haven't had the decency to tell me what the results were, much less do anything about them. Absolutely zero chance I'll waste one second of my free time going to a forum.

[CaptainChipotle]

Well, you're wasting your time coming onto this site b*tching about it. It's all the same.

I'm out of DXB at the moment as well. If you don't have the balls to go in on a day off and make your voice heard(and I hardly have enough days off as well) then go ahead and keep moaning on this site... It'll change eventually. Don't worry.

I'm interested to see what was covered and how many people were there.

[ClassCbird]

Chipotle has a valid point. I think you should make the effort to turn up and if your questions are answered with the usual evasive non-answers, and you are met with nothing more than excuses, then i think you should silently walk out in unison. That is one way of getting your message to be understood.

Simply not turning up shows the company apathy which is exactly what they want. Good luck.

[Schnowzer]

So what happened? I was flying too.

[JAARule]

What the #### is a "fleet forum"? Never heard of it.

I haven't wasted my free time on one of their meetings since the time we were officially labeled "Lazy Pilots."

And by the way, Bird, we did walk out on that meeting during the second half and you-know-who got very upset and that was the last of those meetings.

[glofish]

Most haven't been to the meeting because they know the answers

[Fire Ball XL5]

There were 34 pilots in attendance (my count). Fleet had the usual power point show about how many new airplanes, how much new profit, how recruitment was finally kicking in... ???
At Q&A... Uh, excuse me, but what about pilot retention and resignations??
EK has decided their plan going forward is that by lowering flight hours and allowing TP guys, they will somehow fill the seniority list with lots of new pilots. That will then ease the pressure on our rosters (at some indeterminate point), and we will all be happy again because we don't have to fly more than 88 hrs/mo.
A few suggestions were offered regarding the roster system and swaps. EK says the system is new, will wait several months to collect "data", and review at that time.
Re. Resignations.... can't discuss that... More than we would like.
They are "hopeful" new trainees will fill void and make all good again, but never once addressed retention or #'s leaving.
My take.... There is a light at the end of the tunnel... And they have no clue that it's a freight train....

[Avid Aviator]

I dont need to waste a rare day off to get an earful of lies, spin and propaganda. I have quietly slipped away before the last two washups and been a lot happier for both skipping their evasive briefs and for the extra half hour spent with people I like.
It doesn't matter what they say - it's the actions we see that count.

[Schnowzer]

Sounds a wonderful occasion, I am sad to have missed it.

[cerbus]

If I don't get paid for it I don't do it.
Wait a minute I don't get paid for sims, distant learning or leave. I'll shut up now.

[birdieonfirst]

Actually you do. It's all included in your basic. Get over it...

[donpizmeov]

Not really. The basic wasn't adjusted to include it when the credit for these duties was dropped. So yes they are stealing from you.

[CamelRustler]

What DON said. Spoke with my union rep and he promised those plus the credit for those were top on his list.

[uba737]

Its included in my what? Since when? Im over it!

[LHR Rain]

We get paid for all those items now? Thanks Birdie for pointing that out but why then is my paycheck so small and where do we go to get over it?

[birdieonfirst]

True, the credit is long gone. Great shame indeed. That doesn't mean we don't get paid for it. See it the way you want...
The lack of credit makes us work more. Different issue...

[nolimitholdem]

Lame answer. End result is still the same.

Less money for same work = more work for same money.

Call it whatever the hell you want. I tired of this type of pedantry ages ago.

[speedbirdhopeful1]

So they've released some Q and A from the forum.
I was expecting to read quite a few on real issues. Which of our esteemed colleagues sent in questions about the bloody laundry queue being too long? Seriously? This is the biggest issue people can think of right now?
I've no doubt they are simply ignoring the hard questions, but idiots sending in stuff like this really doesn't help our case. Same as ASR's like "Flap 30 selected at 1400ft" and "Momentarily exceeded 5000fpm in descent" - and we wonder why they treat us like idiots..

[TransitCheck]

Not that I am planning to attend.....maybe I read the date wrong but isn't the next one scheduled for Valentines day?

Nice planning.

[Rather Be Skiing]

Not that I am planning to attend.....maybe I read the date wrong but isn't the next one scheduled for Valentines day? Nice planning.

They're hoping for a love-in I guess. 😜

[BigGeordie]

A friend of mine from school (yes, I did go to school, contrary to what some people might think) works at a radio station. On some request type shows if not enough people phone in to keep the program going the DJ just makes requests up.

I have no doubt that if the company didn't get enough interest, or the wrong kind of questions, it would make up some questions that it could provide positive responses to so it can show what a great and caring employer it is and how happy we all are when the only thing we have to worry about is dry cleaning. I do not for a minute believe that the examples it provides were the only issues raised. Smoke and mirrors, again.

[Schnowzer]

My questions didn't get answered in writing but I suspect they were dealt with at the meeting. Somethings you can say in private and publish in public, somethings you can't!