Prohibited & Restricted Areas

[muis]

Quick question:
Who's responsibility is it to keep traffic clear of Prohibited/restricted Areas. ATC, or Pilot?

1. Within Controlled airspace (WITH Radar)
2. Within Controlled airspace (Without Radar - Aerodrome control)
3. Information Airspace
4. Uncontrolled Airspace

I've seen ICAO docs stating who's responsibility it is to provide "avoidance" from these areas, but cant find it. I seem to remember that these were handled the same as "Responsibility for maintaining Terrain Clearance", but cant find that either.

[ShyTorque]

It's definitely the pilot's responsibility.

Btw, What's a Flight Information Service? :}

[chevvron]

It's definitely the pilot's responsibility.

Btw, What's a Flight Information Service? :}
It's still in Doc 4444 as far as I know.

[confused atco]

DOC 4444

Chapter 9

9.1 flight information service

[ShyTorque]

Thanks for the reference. I'll ask for one next time I'm airborne and quote that. ;)

[whowhenwhy]

If you don't ask, you don't get. But make sure that you ask the right people in the right forum. You never know what answer you might get :cool:

[jmmoric]

Well, under radarvectoring, the controlller is responsible...

[whowhenwhy]

For not providing a vector that would place the aircraft inside said airspace reservation. However, as has been said, the pilot remains ultimately responsible.

[zonoma]

Under a Radar Control Service, the controller is responsible for keeping traffic clear of restricted/prohibited areas within controlled airspace. Outside CAS, it is the pilot's responsibility to avoid.

[jmmoric]

Well, under radarvectoring, the controlller is responsible...
For what?
Oh... come on!


And thanks zonoma for clarifying it for him :)

[evansb]

I've experienced Controllers routinely vector IFR traffic above or around Special Use Airspace designated (T) for "Training", even when no radar observed traffic is in the (T) airspace, including periods when area weather conditions would preclude the operation of any VFR traffic in the training area, presumably because Controllers don't know the weather in the (T) airspace. Of course (T) areas are neither restricted nor prohibited. Training Areas are classified as "Alert" areas. BSTS (Better Safe Than Sorry).

[muis]

That's what I thought, but anyone got a ref to some document (ICAO) that says it's not ATC responsibility?

[topdrop]

From Australian AIP:
Unless an appropriate clearance has been obtained, the pilot in command of an aircraft operating in Class G airspace, or a VFR aircraft operating in Class E airspace, must not allow the aircraft to enter:
a. airspace for which ATC clearance is required; or
b. an active restricted area.

When compliance with an air traffic clearance requires flight:
a. from controlled airspace into an adjoining active restricted area or airspace, or
b. through an active restricted area or airspace into adjoining controlled airspace, or
c. through an active restricted area or airspace within controlled airspace,
the pilot in command may assume that ATC has obtained approval for the flight.

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

Irrespective of rules, no self-respecting ATCO is going to vector traffic through restricted airspace.

[Talkdownman]

...unless it's restricted airspace for the ATCO's purposes, eg. Farnborough RA(T)s during SBAC.