Qantas 787 recruitment for cadetship

[Iron Bar]

Ohhhh poor bcder. Did the nasty %^*# MOU pilot upset you?

[Xatrix]

Wait until the JQ pilots start exercising their rights under the MOU while QF guys who have been SOs for nearly 10 years get pushed further from promotion. 12-18 months from now those numbers will probably get you an FO slot on a 330 in Sydney or Melbourne under the LH EA which is much more pleasant than the JQ one.

The most senior JQ MOU ghost number is nearly 250+ numbers too junior for even a Perth 330 FO. East coast closer to 400 numbers away. Gonna take more than 20 x 787 CAPT/FO vacancies to make that happen in the next 12-18 months.

[PPRuNeUser0184]

Wait until the JQ pilots start exercising their rights under the MOU while QF guys who have been SOs for nearly 10 years get pushed further from promotion. 12-18 months from now those numbers will probably get you an FO slot on a 330 in Sydney or Melbourne under the LH EA which is much more pleasant than the JQ one.

Thats funny. The highest MOU seniority ghost number is 1691 which is a date of November 04. That seniority is a long long way off an east coast LH F/O slot.

[DirectAnywhere]

Thats funny. The highest MOU seniority ghost number is 1691 which is a date of November 04. That seniority is a long long way off an east coast LH F/O slot.

It is now, true. That seniority list is now nearly 12 months old so it's a few numbers higher.

Theage 65 thing has now locked in a number of retirements/ bids back to SH. There is no way to avoid that now.

18 months from now, maybe two years when we've been through two more training allocations I think it will be a lot closer than it looks now. If there is a surplus at JQ, what is now a seniority number in the high 1600s may be looking very favourable indeed.

A number of demoted FOs are unlikely to bite at a 330 slot. Why would they? More work, less money and the senior lifestyle is guaranteed for years to come now that the PSN question has been seen off. Their egos have already been bashed around enough by the RIN that they're not going to jump at a chance to get their third stripe back just to massage that.

I guess we'll see over time. Have a lovely day :)

[bdcer]

Settle down Dengue, we all know you.

[Iron Bar]

Maybe maybe not? :) Either way, pretty ordinary form trying to "out" someone on Pprune. Might even call it Jack?

Anyway, QF recruitment is the topic, not JQ Darwin base.

[PPRuNeUser0184]

DirectAnywhere,

You may be right. Who knows what will happen in 2 years.

[Ontheslide]

I'm surprised no one has noticed this yet (or mentioned it on here). On the qantas careers page you can currently apply for the qantaslink traineeship ( I know this is discussed in another thread). Now whilst submitting the qantaslink pilot traineeship application, There is a step where you need to upload a few documents. This page looks to be a generic recruitment page for both pilots and flight attendants as it has instructions for both applications. However in the description for pilots it states ' For Qantas cadet pilot program' (now I thought I was applying for a traineeship with qantaslink not a cadet pilot position with qantas). Hmmm maybe this page might be used for another job posting in the near future??

Now I'd post a picture but as its my first time using the forum I don't know how - sorry

[Keg]

Lol. For your first time here you certainly don't mind lobbing a hand grenade into the room! :ok: :E :}

[mcgrath50]

For Qantas cadet pilot program' (now I thought I was applying for a traineeship with qantaslink not a cadet pilot position with qantas). Hmmm maybe this page might be used for another job posting in the near future?

Or more likely it was previously used for another job posting. Cadets were asked to update their details using that portal earlier this year. Probably just copied and pasted for the new job.

Obviously it's ok for HR to do that, but heaven forbid an applicant C&Ps their Cover Letter and leaves a bit from the old job in their! :E

[allthecoolnamesarego]

If they left their old info in their new update, and Qantas noticed it in there, then they would notice that there was a lack of thought in their application. So there! :)

[mcgrath50]

they would notice that there was a lack of thought in their application.

I think Mcgrath was trying to point out the HR persons lack of thought :)

[KoolKaptain]

Hopefully all of the Cadets and LOI holders can get to Sydney in 2 days, and their current employers are happy with just two days notice of resignation. A330 ground school starts in April... I read it right here!

[Aviatrix91]

Any recent news or whispers on pilot recruitment?

[hotnhigh]

Reinforcing the front door as 50% of Virgin, 75% of qlink, 87% of Cobham, and all of Rex are applying. None from Jetstar, because it doesn't get any better, apparently.

[maggot]

Any recent news or whispers on pilot recruitment?
Despite the need and mostly empty training dept, ive heard in the new fin year for KPIs or something or maybe the timing of the miraculous recovery
Wont they be busy then

[Keg]

They put out an EOI for pilots to be involved in the recruitment process. That closed a couple of weeks back. I've not spoken to anyone who's heard back from that process yet.

[ExtraShot]

The latest rumour I've heard is that General Recruitment may not be looked at until the last quarter of the calendar year.

There perhaps seems to be an intent to try and get it all closer to the point where they are able to have new recruits go onto the 787.

Until then, it looks like the current shortages will be managed with LWOP returnees, many of whom are 747 crew, (so that should ease the shortage on that fleet somewhat), and MOU returnees slotting back in over time as per the Agreement.
Also, there may still be the possibility of Cadet/ex-letter of intent holder recruitment (perhaps to fill the current and increasing shortage on the A330? Who knows for sure…).

So it looks like the current shortage will be managed and massaged for a little while longer.

To throw some fuel on the fire, (and again, these are all RUMOURS, and it is entirely possible that the Chinese whispers have mixed the message a little bit), but the info I have indicates there has quite possibly been some thought in opening up the JQ MOU for those eligible, to ease the shortage further up the chain (F/O slots etc)… make of that what you will.

[IsDon]

To throw some fuel on the fire, (and again, these are all RUMOURS, and it is entirely possible that the Chinese whispers have mixed the message a little bit), but the info I have indicates there has quite possibly been some thought in opening up the JQ MOU for those eligible, to ease the shortage further up the chain (F/O slots etc)… make of that what you will.

I doubt that. The JQ guys elible to use the MOU slots are still very junior. 737 F/O other than East coast is a possibility, but only if those slots were advertised to everyone else first. Only if the MOU numbers were high enough would they then get a shot.

More likely any new hires under the MOU would be for S/Os.

I joined in 2002. I'm senior to the JQ MOU numbers. I don't expect an A330 F/O slot for another two years at least. 787 F/O for at least 3 years.

[*Lancer*]

Almost all eligible JQ pilots have been Captains for 10 years, many on the B787 now.

As IsDon points out - 2004 MOU-based seniority is a junior B737 F/O. WB and/or Command still many years away. Could be a lifestyle choice to come as a S/O for some though.

[ExtraShot]

Sorry, ignore my reference to the 'F/O Slots', that was my own (I was thinking this rumour may have originated from concern over the suspected lack of interest by current S/O's not wanting the promotion to the 737 because of the resulting pay cut, and potential cross country move; Personally I think there will be sufficient interest, but I digress…).

The MOU rumour, though having passed though a few sources before I heard it (so again, make of it what you will), is still the point…

There may be some in JQ who, for whatever reason, may well be interested in a 737 F/O position, or even a few years as a 380 S/O. Most if not all those in JQ who are eligible for the MOU would surely be able to hold a command over there anyway, so who knows.

Perhaps someone with a greater understanding could clarify; If the MOU slots are offered, but not taken, do they then disappear?

[*Lancer*]

Yes, but only the individual slots that don't get taken.

Not some arbitrary number of slots based on the seniority of the Qantas pilots that get them instead.

[Ollie Onion]

I have also heard there is a high likely hood of Qantas MOU slots being opened for eligible Jetstar pilots. Having spoken to a few at Jetstar the seems to be a fairly even split of those that would go 'because it's Qantas' and those that would stay. I have also heard that Qantas may be looking to take a few non MoU Jetstar pilots as the people at the top may be rethinking the 'keep them seperate at all costs' approach as some of the A320 NEOS may end up with the kangaroo on the tail in a new 'entity'. Q RED anyone?

[Transition Layer]

If a JQ Pilot elects to take an MOU slot do they have to pass the Qantas selection process (sim/interview etc) so many of them failed back in 2004/05 prior to being offered a job with JQ?

[Lookleft]

so many of them failed back in 2004/05 prior to being offered a job with JQ?

Thats a big statement to make without any factual basis. Most JQ pilots in 04/05 were Impulse and were all waiting for their 320 command to be allocated so I don't think they were applying. They would be the only JQ pilots eligible to access the MOU and as has been stated before most of them are Captains on the 787. A lot of the pilots who got into JQ around that time were either MOU (most ex-ansett) who had already passed the QF selection process or were coming from the regionals especially Easterns, so they had passed the psychometric testing.

[Transition Layer]

Fair enough. I definitely know of a few people around that time who got knocked back from QF and received phone calls from JQ inviting them to "have another go" at the sim and interview and then subsequently were offered jobs at JQ. Many had commands just a couple of years later while those who got into QF at the same time still have a long wait ahead.

[Fatguyinalittlecoat]

Yes they do Transition layer. Just as QF pilots had to when taking up an MoU position. You have to meet the criteria and get hired as such. Might not need to do the sim ride though. I also believe there is a statement in the MoU that a JQ pilot would have to pay for their endorsement, as QF pilots had to (subsequently paid for by QF). It's not a great deal if your already a captain.

[ANCDU]

This whole MOU thing could become a pain in the rear when allocations come out next week or so, especially if wide body f/o numbers get into the MOU range. If the Jetstar pilots who are eligible decide to exercise their rights to these positions I can see one hell of a battle brewing between the AFAP and AIPA, interesting times ahead indeed! I think if you are allocated a slot and are within this range I wouldn't be getting too excited until you start your conversion course ;)

[Keg]

If a JQ pilot elects to take up a QF MOU slot IAW the agreement then I can't see why that would cause a bun fight? :confused:

The more likely pain is that the JQ pilot won't even be aware that they had the seniority for one of those slots if they so desired. Similarly when the various JQ promotional slots weren't advertised to QF drivers for all those years. That's e bit that needs work.

The reality is that in 10-15 years time those JQ seniority numbers may well be senior enough for a QF wide body command. That's the deal that was negotiated.

Any angst you're alluding to about isn't likely to really ramp up until the allocations are published- different to the advertising of vacancies that occurs next week. So realistically it's early June that's going to be when we realise fully just how big this training year is going to be and where the JQ MOU numbers feature.

[maggot]

Slots within the mou range =/= an entitlement per se, they need to be advertised/treated as such by the company and perhaps will be looked at once it is a known that they are of sufficient interest?

[Bug Smasher Smasher]

If a JQ pilot elects to take up a QF MOU slot IAW the agreement then I can't see why that would cause a bun fight?
Agreed.

The reality is that in 10-15 years time those JQ seniority numbers may well be senior enough for a QF wide body command. That's the deal that was negotiated.
What are the chances though that the MOU slots are made available within the next 5 years, are not taken advantage of, and subsequently disappear forever? Pretty high if you ask me.
I reckon if JQ guys really do want a wide body QF Command they'll need to take the slot when they can, into whatever category they can, and wait it out in QF.

[OneDotLow]

If too many JQ guys start taking up MOU slots, then AIPA will just get into bed with QF to create a new Nhulunbuy base, won't they? That would be the mature approach to the scenario.

And further, if any Q blokes decide that it actually suits them to take a promotional slot in Nhulunbuy, then we will all carry on and cast them aside for 'screwing the rest of us over'.

Surely thats how this works? .... Right?

:rolleyes:


Enough with the thread drift. Back to the QF recruitment topic.

[Beer Baron]

The issue with the MOU is that the company (QF Group) has always abused the use of it to fit their shifting needs.

For years there was extremely limited access to JQ A320 slots even when they were rapidly expanding. There was almost no access directly to A330 slots (that I am aware of), guys had to go to the 320 and then wait for an internal transfer. No access to 787 slots. A320 slots that were available would be limited to specific and undesirable bases while the other bases were quarantined for JQ pilots.

Sometimes these decisions were for the benefit of Qantas who did not want to lose their pilots. Sometimes these were decision made to quell the anger of JQ pilots who felt aggrieved by the MOU positions. And sure enough when it suited the Group financially to allow the movement to flow from QF to JQ to relieve the surplus, the taps were opened.

So despite what the MOU actually says, the company will do whatever it wants in terms of making vacancies available under the MOU. If they don't feel they can spare the crew, then don't expect any vacancies to be available to JQ guys. Given they are already losing a significant number of returning QF MOU guys, they may decided they can't lose anymore pilots.

It is a very unfair situation but given the agreement spans multiple employers, unions and pilot bodies, it is very hard to fight the misuse of the MOU.

[CurtainTwitcher]

Would someone buy that Baron a beer! Nailed it. The MOU is the omnibus of agreements, whatever QF want it to be, just the way QF have always intended it to be used. They would never have agreed to lock themselves into any type of perceived inflexibility.
Everyone else is just along for the ride.

[IsDon]

Spot on BB.

It must be realised that the respective Flight Ops departments of QF and JQ have to agree to activate the MOU, and I'm certain upper management of the group get the final say.

You can't just blame one group for the failing of the MOU system when there are so many parties at the table.

JQ and QLink guys can take some comfort from a statement made by management at a recent roadshow briefing within the last couple of weeks that I attended. It was acknowledged that, in the past, there was an understanding not to poach pilots from JQ and QLink. It was categorically stated that this WILL NOT be the case this time around. It was acknowledged that it is far better to keep our people within the group by allowing them to move to QF if they wish, rather than see that talent pool disappear to the desert, or some other competitor.

Very logical IMHO. If our people see they have job progression within the whole Qantas group they are more likely to stay.

[Lookleft]

I have been trying to tell that very thing BB to anyone whinging about lack of access to the MOU. It was put in place for the companies benefit not the pilots. When JQ first got the 330 there were some DEC available under the MOU but I think they had to be existing 330 pilots. The PIC of the 330 that diverted into Guam because of a window overheat was QF and I think he went back after the 3 years to a 380 F/O slot.

[Derfred]

IsDon

JQ and QLink guys can take some comfort from a statement made by management at a recent roadshow briefing within the last couple of weeks that I attended. It was acknowledged that, in the past, there was an understanding not to poach pilots from JQ and QLink. It was categorically stated that this WILL NOT be the case this time around. It was acknowledged that it is far better to keep our people within the group by allowing them to move to QF if they wish, rather than see that talent pool disappear to the desert, or some other competitor.

I'm not sure, but I suspect, that it is Andrew David who is responsible for changing many of QF's executive toxic attitudes towards pilots such as this that have pervaded over the many years. If indeed that is true, hats' off to the man. Historically in this company, any attempt at upward management is usually rewarded with the sack.

An attitude as simple as actually attempting to provide group employees with some form of career progression to generate and maintain loyalty is simple Business 101 in most companies, but sadly not this one.

[IsDon]

IsDon



I'm not sure, but I suspect, that it is Andrew David who is responsible for changing many of QF's executive toxic attitudes towards pilots such as this that have pervaded over the many years. If indeed that is true, hats' off to the man. Historically in this company, any attempt at upward management is usually rewarded with the sack.

An attitude as simple as actually attempting to provide group employees with some form of career progression to generate and maintain loyalty is simple Business 101 in most companies, but sadly not this one.

True Fred.

I'm not sure where it's coming from, but it makes perfect sense to me. I've met Andrew David a couple of times and he does seem to me a perfectly reasonable bloke.

I know AIPA have been raising the possibility of some sort of group opportunity list for years, maybe there are now some indications that the company may be more responsive to that than they have been in many years. Who could forget the previous administration statements in the past about not allowing QF pilots to fly with JQ because they didn't want to pollute the culture. Ignoramuses!

I can't see anything but good coming from a group opportunity list. A progression from QLink to JQ to mainline is a natural one. A great way to provide a career path beyond what link and JQ pilots would otherwise expect without having to resign from one entity or another. An end to the 20 years to command nonsense in mainline.

Clearly we have a long way to go before we get to that point, but at least we have an end to the artificial barriers that prevented QLink and JQ pilots from moving to mainline. It's a start in the right direction.

[Di_Vosh]

JQ and QLink guys can take some comfort from a statement made by management at a recent roadshow briefing within the last couple of weeks that I attended. It was acknowledged that, in the past, there was an understanding not to poach pilots from JQ and QLink. It was categorically stated that this WILL NOT be the case this time around. It was acknowledged that it is far better to keep our people within the group by allowing them to move to QF if they wish, rather than see that talent pool disappear to the desert, or some other competitor.

Very logical IMHO. If our people see they have job progression within the whole Qantas group they are more likely to stay.


If that's the case, they (management) had better get on with it and make the relevant announcements.

Guys and girls at Qlink are so pissed off right now with our management that they're not waiting around. Anyone who's not a Cadet or LOI holder is expecting to wait well over 12 months for a chance at mainline, and that's assuming an announcement would be made within the near future. And that's a big assumption.

I spoke with one of my Qlink friends just before he left for Emirates. He believed that he's a better chance of getting into mainline (and quicker) by going to Emirates for a year or two than he has by staying at the link.

Not that that's his plan anyway. He believes, as does many of his colleagues, that his (and his families) futures are better served by leaving Australia for the next ten years plus, then they do by him remaining as a Captain at Qlink. A pitiful indictment of our management.

And he's not alone.

We've had people leave to Emirates, EFA, Cathay, and other places. There are some more waiting on start dates. RUMOUR has it that there are around 70 Sunstate pilots applying to Emirates right now.

DIVOSH!

[IsDon]

If that's the case, they (management) had better get on with it and make the relevant announcements.

Guys and girls at Qlink are so pissed off right now with our management that they're not waiting around. Anyone who's not a Cadet or LOI holder is expecting to wait well over 12 months for a chance at mainline, and that's assuming an announcement would be made within the near future. And that's a big assumption.

I spoke with one of my Qlink friends just before he left for Emirates. He believed that he's a better chance of getting into mainline (and quicker) by going to Emirates for a year or two than he has by staying at the link.

Not that that's his plan anyway. He believes, as does many of his colleagues, that his (and his families) futures are better served by leaving Australia for the next ten years plus, then they do by him remaining as a Captain at Qlink. A pitiful indictment of our management.

And he's not alone.

We've had people leave to Emirates, EFA, Cathay, and other places. There are some more waiting on start dates. RUMOUR has it that there are around 70 Sunstate pilots applying to Emirates right now.

DIVOSH!

Too true Divosh, and I can understand the sentiment entirely.

Why would a 30 year old dash 8 skipper see the pinnacle of his career as dash 8 captain? It makes sense he'll look at options to further his career in jets. If the Qantas group can't, or more to the point won't, give him that opportunity you can't blame the bloke from going overseas.

Finally, I hope, management have realised that.

In the words of the guy giving the briefing recently, we've had enough of being the training ground for other airlines.

It actually makes sense that QLink and JQ drivers are more likely to stay if they know they have a career progression to mainline if they want it.

As for your 12 month wait to get into mainline for those cadets and LOI holders, I would say that's nonsense. These are the guys that will be the first recruited into mainline. And that's not 12 months away.

[Di_Vosh]

As for your 12 month wait to get into mainline for those cadets and LOI holders, I would say that's nonsense. These are the guys that will be the first recruited into mainline. And that's not 12 months away.

I agree. However, I wrote:

Anyone who's not a Cadet or LOI holder is expecting to wait well over 12 months for a chance at mainline

my bolding.

DIVOSH!

[IsDon]

True. So you did. My mistake.

I guess for those that aren't cadets or LOI holders they will then have to decide if a 12 month wait to get into mainline trumps 7 years in the sandpit.

If I was in my 30s I know what I'd be doing. But I hate sand. Two days at a stretch is about all I can take of Dubai. Some love it, and I understand their position, but it's not for me.

At least there is no DISADVANTAGE to being in QLink or JQ if your real wish is to join mainline. That certainly was the case in the past.

[Di_Vosh]

IsDon

Cheers, and I agree with your last statement, if it pans out that way.

But like I said earlier, management had better get on with it and make some announcements.

Because apart from some general crap from the CP back in February, all we've heard is rumours. And I'd be willing to bet that our management will fight tooth and nail to reduce Qlink pilot losses to mainline/J* to a minimum.

And in the meantime crews all over are being flogged with very little let up in the foreseeable future. 12 months would be a minimum. I'd estimate 18 months to two years for crew who aren't LOI/Cadets. And if mainline are recruiting off the street at the same time then the Qlink guys will have more incentive to find other employers.

Latest rumour is Seven captains interviewed (and accepted) into Emirates.

DIVOSH!

[donpizmeov]

I can confirm EK is taking several Qlink fellas.

[IsDon]

I can confirm EK is taking several Qlink fellas.

Well, all the more reason for Qantas mainline, and the group as a whole, to get its collective sh1t together.

Frankly I'm astounded that we haven't had new hires starting months ago. I know they had to crank up the recruiting system from scratch but FFS they've left the organisation of this recruiting nonsense wayyyyyy too late. It's not as if they haven't known for ages they are going to have to recruit. It's been the worst kept secret ever.

The A330 has been short of S/Os for quite a while, being crewed with an additional captain or F/O as they just don't have anyone else. Guys should have been training on it 12 months ago.

The longer they naval gaze and procrastinate, the more talented people will have had enough and take the bird in the hand. Move to the desert, lost forever.

It also behoves the group to get the whole transfer of pilots between entities right. They won't want to leave QLink in the lurch by poaching half the pilot body in the first year, but they wouldn't want to put too many restrictions on either, as they'll resign and go to the desert anyway. A much scarier proposal losing them altogether, rather than using their skills in mainline.

If I were running QLink right now I'd have anticipated the exodus of pilots to mainline and cranked up the sausage machine to full kilter. Have a short term excess of pilots. That way you'd have the capacity to let people go without it affecting your operation. But that would require forward thinking. Sadly lacking in our MBA graduate KPI ruled world.

[donpizmeov]

IsDon, stop thinking like a pilot. Identifying a problem, and finding a workable solution. Think more like a bean counter, "if we wait just two more months we save this much". We should have beat them up more at school.

Back to thread, QF haven't advertised yet right? Hope this doesn't go the same way as the 777.

[OzSync]

We should have beat(sic) them up more at school.

WTF???????

[Fuel-Off]

If I were running QLink right now I'd have anticipated the exodus of pilots to mainline and cranked up the sausage machine to full kilter. Have a short term excess of pilots. That way you'd have the capacity to let people go without it affecting your operation

Sausage machine was going full kilter, but directed at the wrong part of the operation. All the new hires were going to JQ NZ for the Q300 operation over there. You see, management announced that the Dash operation would be starting up. But instead of training guys BEFORE the commencement of flying, sent a whole bunch of training resources over to NZ DURING the start up. So the poor training captains were trying to train the new FOs, fly in a new environment whilst trying to maintain a degree of schedule with VERY minimal support. All the while Emirates announced they are willing to take Dash 8 guys. This was white noise to management as they were focused on the budget carrier and let the premium (as much as you can on a Dash) product in Australia languish.

Re mainline opening up, it's mid April and we've heard bupkiss. Nudda. Zip. Zero. Zilch. The guys leaving to Emirates (with more on the way apparently) all pretty much have the same reason to leaving - no progression. Not to mention the rumored embargo on being able to go from one Group entity to another. They say they would have a better chance of going to mainline from Emirates than from QLink because they would be hired from outside the Group. Emirates have apparently told our management that they were VERY happy with the quality of the candidates and more were on the cards. So alas, the talent is plundered by the competition. Will management learn? Not bloody likely.

Fuel-Off :ok:

[Ollie Onion]

It is the same in ALL group airlines with Jetconnect struggling to even get people to interview and Jetstar having 10 FO's already resigned to go to Air NZ with rumours of another 10-15 being interviewed in the next few weeks. The common thread when you talk to these FO's who are going is that they don't see any progression in the Qantas Group and say that it is not worth sticking around for mainline recruitment as Qantas won't recruit from group. So if the rumoured change is true then management really need to state as much, perhaps that will give some of the guys on the fence some reason to stick around.

[AviatoR21]

I don't think those guys going to EK will be leaving in a hurry to come back to QF mainline after being slapped with a $50K USD endorsement and 5 years bond. Desperate times for desperate people to go to the ME if you ask me.

[skysook]

$50K over 5 years is pocket change to an Emirates pilot. Their housing allowance in the first year is worth more alone!

[Density]

Skysook

You obviously haven't researched and/or read living in Dubai and being an FO with EK.

[OnceBitten]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What he said..

[Riding the Goat]

So, will todays traffic stats and associated release with a predicted negative group capacity growth put a stop to any recruitment in the next 6 months? Most managers I know would jump on this opportunity to keep costs down, flog the dead horse a little harder and move some costs into net FY to help meet their KPI's.

[The The]

So, will todays traffic stats and associated release with a predicted negative group capacity growth put a stop to any recruitment in the next 6 months? Most managers I know would jump on this opportunity to keep costs down, flog the dead horse a little harder and move some costs into net FY to help meet their KPI's.

No doubt there will be a significant flow on effect. Domestic demand taking a big hit coupled with the International flow on effect of decreasing short term fuel price gains, will have a big influence on 2016/2017.

For those who think the good times are just beginning, they are about to be cut short, very short!

[yadot]

Shame. Don't worry, we are all psychologically tested/damaged enough to wait another 12 months. Yet they are transferring 3, 747 to routes into Asia, so it's not all doom and gloom. Keep your heads up girls and guys. Keep strong and ignore the naysayers! Cadets and direct entries!! It will happen by the end of this year.... At least one course!

[OneDotLow]

The article suggests it is a reduction in growth from 2% down to the 0.5-1% range. It's not very specific and in the grand scheme of things it's not a very large 'cut', given that there will be more seats than there are today. Granted, it would be better to put an extra 5% into the market and have it profitable, but that's not the case.

It's a pretty 'wishy washy' forecast and I doubt it will effect the medium term growth plans.

Now which unions are coming up for negotiations? ;-)

[SandyPalms]

it's also across the the group (QF, Qlink and JQ). Who knows which airline will be most effected.
Moving A330's off Perth runs would probably make up most of the QF reduction, but those services will be replaced by 737's. Then those A330's will be used internationally. As onedot says. It's a reduction in growth, not a reduction.

Blue sky ahead.

[Aviatrix91]

Does anyone have any updated information in regards to external direct entry recruitment for Qantas?

[SandyPalms]

I'm hearing that something is happening. Anybody got any details? July start?

[Beer Baron]

Latest I've heard is A330 slots starting August/September. 787 positions next year.
Good luck to any applicants out there.