Ryanair UK DEC contract pay?

[zerotohero]

Does anyone have or willing to share accurate info on what a DEC UK based captain would now take home?

Net.
Pension Contribution.
Extras for Sim costs etc as I assume its still the £5000/€5000 allowance to cover your hotels etc so still slightly out of your own pocket.

I also assume car park pass's are still at your own cost etc.

Thanks.

[BluSdUp]

Hi
You have not done any contract work before, have You!?
Firstly , the old Brookfield contract is 145 euro per flown planed block hr.
Minus 4.5 for sim recurrent, is 140,50 euro. That is it, full stop . punktum .nada,nichts,,kein geldt,ikkje eit satans øre, nothing more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Sorry, wrong : 20 euro per block when u are sent to Marrakesh for 2 months.

It is simple.You fly, you get pay. No fly , no pay! NOTHING, EVER EVER EVER.
Sorry , wrong again: One useless winter coat per 5 year!

That is IT.

Welcome to us professional contractors , Enjoy!?
BSU

[zerotohero]

I was with Brookfield for 7 years before leaving Ryanair

I am talking about full time Ryanair contracts as DEC which are on offer now

Thanks

p.s I never went to Marrakesh once. Even as a floter on 5/5

[BluSdUp]

Zero
If You are interested in Ryanair direct employment , You must state that clearly.
Let me for other eager aviators that are less versed in the hell it is to be a contractor, do some instructing this early morning (used to charge 50 € per each, first one free)

RYR has ca 320 ac and ca 3500 pilots and need at least 600 pilots next 12 months, Peter B can confirm this . Mind u he buggered of to Malaysian .

Some new fo and most cpt are now direct employed RYR considering new EU rules.This is due to the fact that the old contractors are considered fiexed employee (5 yrs plus). and the new after ca 1 yr.
RYR see the remote chanse of a class action case from old and new contractors that are stuck with large taxbills, no pension, no real sosial security etc etc.

Brookfield are scaled down from ca 2500 to less then 1000 and whatdoYoucallthem takes the ballance .
Coffee is ready
Good luck
BSU

[Say Mach Number]

Not been a bog standard line captain for a good few years now, but as a TRE total take home with half decent months sector pay is about £7500.

That obviously includes all the increments for training and the pilots allowance which is £6k and after pension comes off.

Take off a grand or so for line captain (pure guess but won't be far off I assume)

If its less don't shoot the messenger.

[Skyjob]

Not been a bog standard line captain for a good few years now, but as a TRE total take home with half decent months sector pay is about £7500.

That obviously includes all the increments for training and the pilots allowance which is £6k and after pension comes off.

Take off a grand or so for line captain (pure guess but won't be far off I assume)

If its less don't shoot the messenger.

Depends on base and local base agreement as well, and your time in company so to add your annual "pay rises" which do not cover inflation (thus in reality are still paycuts, just a little more then getting nothing), no correction for RPI or CPI on cards.

Captain in UK base (non-STN) for under a decade, take home pay in current account after taxes and pension contributions ~£3,750 with a fortnight later sector pay/annual leave allowance ranging £1,000-£2,500 depending on productivity, days off worked, block hours in month and/or holiday.

Work it out in busy summer months ~£6,000+ and winter months ~£5,000- provided not too many standby duties on roster (they're unpaid as not block hours).

Training is where the £££ is in Ryanair, but not everyone is allowed (even when qualified) to become part of this "elite".
If you're not yet a Captain, my advice on career progression would certainly be to try and become SFI prior to your upgrade process, thus opening the door for future LTC/TRI/TRE route. Once Captain, you'll find out the hard way that usually ex-SFI's are used for LTC/TRI/TRE requests from the company, even if you have >4x the experience in hours and years in aviation.

[Say Mach Number]

Nothing 'elite' about being in training in FR;

1. More roster changes than average line capt

2. 99% of rostered flights training flights

3. 50% will cadets!

4. More than average 4 sectors days cos sectors count for training in FR not hours.

5. Overall working my tits off and not paid enough imho.

[zerotohero]

Thanks for the info

I am currently left seat and I left Ryanair from the left seat also.

Reason for wanting to return is to go down the LTC TRI TRE route.

I just need to weigh up the difference in time to achieve these things with current employer vs Ryanair and then the cash element to see if it's worth the hassle and potential days away from home to not wait it out where I am.

[Say Mach Number]

No seniority in FR which helps in this case.

[Lazy skip]

RYR Ltc elite,
This must be one of the most incredibile things I've ever heard.......
Say mach number, what do you mean 50% cadet...get out STN and you'll find out that's 100% cadets!!!
Money is in the training dep??!! Come on even TO tells you don,t do it for the money, during the first day of LTC course!!
Plus all the rest of the **** you have to put up with which is not even worth to mention here

[Say Mach Number]

"50% cadets" - happy to stand corrected probably nearer 90% - been spending too much time in a box on legs.

Oh and not to forget the other 10% 'the unmentionables' - OCC Capts!

How could I forget them.

[VJW]

I guess you'll soon be in the unmentionable category when you attempt to rejoin as an OCC ;)

[OhNoCB]

One Captain I know in a UK base who is just a regular non training line captain takes home about £5-6k per month. This is what he told me a while ago and I didn't ask for exact figures so keep that in mind.

[Avenger]

My colleague that recently had an interview was advised the UK direct employment contract worked out to about 63k plus the supplement 6000 less tax plus any overflight payments,all in all 74k allowing for tax this works out just under £4300 net after Uk Tax and NI. He declined the position as the UK base he wanted was full and the 2nd and 3rd choices were not guaranteed. Didn't want to leap from frying pan to the fire!

[McNugget]

£4300 net for a Boeing Captain is an utter embarrassment.

Shame on those who accept it.

[RHINO]

Would appreciate a UK based Ryanair Captain giving the facts......please!

[Speedoneeighty]

Uk Lhs is £5-6k net
Lhs eu is like 120-140euro psbh

I think im correct in saying that the prospect of a UK ryr contract is what keeps many pilots hanging on in some of the less desireable bases on rubbish contracts.

ppjn says ryr uk cpt is £53k + £5k allowance plus £50psbh thats roughly £100k 5/4off too remember plus holiday pay plus some pension.

[thebeast]

Sky job is spot on.

Net pay £3750 ish as I pay £500 gross pension.
Sector pay around £1700 net on average.

Year end P60 around £94,000 Gross.


And yes you pay for everything out of that, parking, uniform, LoL etc

[RAT 5]

Start learning Chinese.

[Say Mach Number]

Avenger your mate missed the sector pay element out of his calculations!

Work on average yearly sector pay 1700 net

As everyone else has said on a good month 6k take home on a quiter month 5-5.5k

[trigger21]

Are they still charging for type rating if you are non rated? That could be a big game changer for many people, especially experienced guys in the Middle East who haven't flown a 737 for a while

[Avenger]

Say Mach Nunber I think you are right ! The sticky issue is the basing policy and NLH now seems a better prospect for those who want the guarantee to be able to live near London. On the other hand at least in a Ryanair UK contract you can apply for a mortgage whereas the NLH contract doesn't provide a hope in hell if this.

[Say Mach Number]

I believe it's a traditional bond for NTR bods.

[Roti Canai]

25K over 5 years prorated, reduces 5K every year.

[Fancy Navigator]

What bases are available for DEC's? Any UK base?

[zerotohero]

I think that depends on the wind on that particular day and your negotiating skills. I hear a few been offered STN as a clause to join. Other smaller bases may be more tricky.

[CargoFish]

Hi to all,

I have received an offer for DEC in RYR.

At the meeting with Ryr they gave as a choice of contract or permanent.

But not to many details about difference. Of course the main advantage for contract are the money.

To understand contract it's easy 145eur per hour. Thats all. So if I multiply by let say average 75hr/month 10800eur gross. Now come hard part - after irl tax and base country social I was told it is around 6000-7000eur. (also Ryr captains say that is more or less that amount of cash in your pocket every month). Huge disadvantage it is through your own Ltd company. So if you brake your leg for example no money on your account for some time.

Permanent is little bit different. Basic gross around 60k eur. Paid from the first day. Then yearly allowance around 12k eur- for pension and annual (do I get it in cash or It's just what ryr will pay for me??). Block hr 45eur - but you have extra pay for holiday and day off.
Your vac days are paid by ryr.

So what will be net for permanent position??

Of course there are some pros and cons between permanet and contract like ilness, pension, holiday pay etc.

But when I spoke with capt. who signed permanent and he get first salary he was somewhat disappointed (ground school only no flight time). Other says that some guys are very disappointed about money on permanent and If they had a choice they would take a contract.

I understand the difference between social security with permanent and contract, but I'm not looking forward to get pay check with 3000 per month with promise that someday somehow In some future I will get my pension.

I will be very grateful for some hard numbers (euros, dolars or pounds :} )

[Mikehotel152]

Adding to what thebeast said:

HMRC's tax calculator gives £94,000 gross as a £5100 net pcm, but in fact the average net monthly income is £500 pcm higher even after you've sacrificed £6000 a year of your gross income to match the company's contribution.

I suppose this is explained by the effect of the increased tax over £100,000 which isn't reflected in your net pay because of the different way in which tax on sector pay and your allowances is calculated.

Overall, this means the real net income is actually the equivalent of earning a salary of something in the order of £120,000.

Source: Rough figures, guesswork, etc.

PS: First three months on a permanent contract always show far lower than normal take home due to wrong tax codes. Don't ask me why, but everyone complains.

[zerotohero]

Anybody joined recently with any info on the likelihood of base options still for DEC's and current UK Gross pay and sector pay etc?

Also are the contracts still using those silly Irish LTD companies?