GLASGOW 2

[Callum Paterson]

The new James Martin Kitchen opened yesterday, further enhancing the passenger experience.

[Callum Paterson]

New Ryanair flights from Alicante, Brussels, Gran Canaria, Lanzarote and Malaga all starting this weekend.

[Callum Paterson]

Thomson has commenced it's new Cape Verde route.

Growth looking good this winter from GLA with the 6 new Ryanair routes plus Air France and Virgin Atlantic now operating year-round.

[LandingConfig]

Thomson has commenced it's new Cape Verde route.

Growth looking good this winter from GLA with the 6 new Ryanair routes plus Air France and Virgin Atlantic now operating year-round.
VS is inbound only until end of the month and then returns beginning of March.

[CabinCrewe]

Interesting Cape Verde never worked the first time. Presumably the Egypt issue might push more punters towards it. Its a long sector so would need to pay its way. Wonder if a 737-800 would cope when the trip when the 757s go.

[scotsunflyer]

Is Cape Verde a longer sector than Sharm?

[CabinCrewe]

Seems Glasgow based Loganair are "going it alone" once Flybe contract goes
Flybe terminates contract with Loganair - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-38055208)

[Skipness One Echo]

What would you realistically replace those SF340s with?
Are there options in the market?

[toledoashley]

An ATR42 too big?

[Callum Paterson]

Scotland's Airline launches largest ever flight schedule
23rd November 2016
Loganair’s Summer 2017 schedule is “a statement of
intent” says MD Jonathan Hinkles

Loganair, Scotland’s Airline, has today announced its largest ever flight schedule as its services for Summer 2017 go on sale. The new schedule includes new overseas summer flights between Scotland and Norway and the Faroe Islands, together with more flights and more seats on existing routes.

A non-stop twice-weekly service will link Glasgow and the Norwegian city of Bergen – known as “the gateway to the fjords”. The Glasgow-based airline will operate the new route on Mondays and Fridays from May 5 to September 25 2017. It’s part of a sizeable expansion which will also see the airline’s schedule to Bergen bolstered by extra flights from Shetland and new direct flights from Orkney.

Scotland’s Airline has also revealed the first regular service in recent years linking Shetland and Aberdeen with Vagar, the airport of the Faroe Islands, again starting in May. The service will operate on Fridays and Sundays from May 26 to September 3 2017, and Loganair will carefully evaluate demand on the route with a view to moving to year-round operations in future.

Managing Director Jonathan Hinkles said: “It’s always a pleasure to introduce new routes, and our links to Bergen and the Faroe Islands are great news for both leisure and business travellers. I’m also certain that we’ll see Norwegian and Faroese visitors taking full advantage of the wide range of leisure and retail options on offer in Scotland.”

Hinkles continued: “Our summer schedule is a statement of intent as we announce our transition from the Flybe franchise arrangements to become an independent operator from 1 September 2017. As Scotland’s Airline, Loganair is strengthening its network and adding more seats and more flights than ever before.”



The summer schedule, most of which begins on March 26 and for which tickets go on sale today, has a significant number of highlights, including:


· An overall growth of 20% in seat capacity to and from Glasgow.


· A fourth weekday flight between Glasgow and Manchester, plus a new Sunday lunchtime service - providing enhanced connections to domestic UK destinations and the expanding range of long-haul destinations available via Manchester.



· A fourth daily service between Inverness and Manchester, also opening up the wide range of connections available from Manchester.



· An 18% increase in seats between Glasgow and Stornoway through introduction of larger Saab 2000 50-seat aircraft on three of the four weekday round trips - and use of the larger aircraft on selected weekend flights between Glasgow and Benbecula for the first time.



· A third weekday flight from Glasgow to Islay, and a second on Sundays, opening up a wide range of new domestic and international connections to and from Islay.



· New convenient one-stop, same-plane services linking Manchester with Sumburgh and Stornoway, cutting journey times and offering lower fares than connecting flights.



· A second weekly Bergen service from Sumburgh, operating on Tuesdays between May 30 and August 29 and complementing the Saturday service (13May – 02 September)



· A non-stop service linking Kirkwall on Orkney with Bergen on Saturdays between May 13 and September 02 while also operating a complementary Tuesday connection via Sumburgh.



· Expansion of services between Edinburgh and Wick with the introduction of a second flight on Mondays, Thursdays and Fridays.



· A new timetable for Edinburgh-Stornoway services to ensure that the route remains commercially viable despite new charges for airlines being introduced by Edinburgh Airport in April 2017.



· Additional weekend flights between Glasgow and Kirkwall - with a new Friday night southbound service from Kirkwall and an extra Sunday evening return flight, coupled to larger aircraft deployed on Saturday services.



· More seats between Glasgow and Sumburgh through use of larger 50-seater Saab 2000 aircraft on one of two daily flights during the summer.



· Developing use of Glasgow as a hub airport to link Loganair’s Highlands & Islands network with its growing network of services to Manchester and Leeds Bradford.



· Continued expansion outside Scotland with the introduction of a new four-times weekly service linking Loganair’s base at Norwich with the Channel Island of Jersey.


Loganair summer services are now available to book at Cheap Flights & Low Cost Flight Tickets | Flybe UK (http://www.flybe.com) for travel up to and including 30 September 2017. Services to the Faroe Islands will be on sale from 5 December 2016 and are subject to government approval.

[Callum Paterson]

Welcome news with the introduction of a new route to Bergen and with an overall 20% increase in capacity at Glasgow, the airlines home and largest base, it would appear Loganair could be concentrating efforts on building up their hub at Glasgow.

As an independent airline it will be interesting to see if they begin interlining with international carriers such as Emirates, Icelandair or WestJet etc.

[GLAEDI]

http://www.clyde1.com/localnews/plans-to-develop-direct-rail-link-from-glasgow-to-airport-unveiled/

8yrs to build seems extreme for approximately 2 miles of railway line but hopefully it'll happen this time

10am to 2pm
Plans to develop direct rail link from Glasgow to Airport unveiled
Plans to develop direct rail link from Glasgow to Airport unveiled
Posted on Wednesday 23 November 2016
Glasgow City and Renfrewshire Council leaders are joining forces to reveal ambitious multi-million pound plans to develop a direct rail link from Glasgow to the airport.

Clyde News is being told the preferred option is a tram-train which will use the existing line to Paisley with new tracks being built out to the terminal.

It's claimed if the project is given the green light it could be in operation by 2025.

The council says the £147M funding for the project has been secured through the Glasgow City Region City deal.

It is claimed Glasgow Airport injects around £170m to the Glasgow City Region economy every year and businesses have backed the project as essential to ensuring it remains competitive in the years ahead.

Those backing the proposals say it will bring a major jobs boost and boost to the local economies of Glasgow and Paisley with the state-of-the-art system carrying passengers on specially designed tram-trains using both the existing railway network and on-street tracks.

Renfrewshire Council Leader Mark Macmillan, who holds the enterprise portfolio in the Glasgow City Region Cabinet and Glasgow City Council Leader Frank McAveety, the chair of the Cabinet, officially unveiled the plan.

Councillor Mark Macmillan said:
“This is a vital transport development that will bring huge benefits to Renfrewshire and the rest of the Glasgow City Region. Glasgow Airport is key to the success of our local and regional economies.

" It supports more than 7,300 jobs – 4,300 of which are in Renfrewshire – and this project will help increase annual passenger numbers from 9 to 13 million by 2030.

“Improved transport connections will support the growth of the airport and open up the area to tourism and businesses, bringing inward investment and creating jobs for local people.

"It will also enhance the benefits of our other City Deal projects, which are designed to unlock our economic potential, creating a world class business and commercial location with excellent links across the Clyde and into our town and city centres.”

The plans are set to be endorsed by the Glasgow City Region Cabinet in December after being discussed by Renfrewshire and Glasgow City councils in the coming weeks.

If approved the system would be operational by 2025, with construction due to begin three years earlier.

Councillor Frank McAveety, Leader of Glasgow City Council and Chair of the Glasgow City Region Cabinet, said:

“We’ve long argued that a new rail link between the airport and the city centre is essential for the thousands of tourists and business travellers who fly into and out of Glasgow every day.

“The airport already supports thousands of jobs but this new rail link, which is the single biggest element of our City Deal, will be the catalyst that takes us to a new level, vastly improving the customer experience and generating even more jobs and inward investment.

“This announcement represents a significant milestone in the journey we’ve been on for many years. We are committed to delivering this tram-train link and, best of all, the money to pay for it is already in the bank.”

The project is seen as a key aspect of the Glasgow City Region achieving its stated outcomes for the duration of the City Deal programme. Among those aims is the generation of around £3.3bn of private sector investment, spreading the benefits of economic growth across the Glasgow City Region and ensuring deprived areas benefit.

They also include creating around 29,000 jobs across the region, working with 19,000 unemployed residents and supporting more than 5,500 people back into sustained employment.

Ross Nimmo, Head of planning and development for Glasgow Airport, said:

“We welcome the identification of tram train as the preferred option. Not only is it a significant milestone in the Glasgow Airport Access Project, it is the culmination of rigorous planning over several years.

" It has a very strong business case, with conservative estimates suggesting the airport is set to become one of the busiest train stations in Scotland. This is great news for travellers, and whether they choose the train, the bus or the car, Glasgow Airport will be easier to get to than ever before.”

UK Government Minister Andrew Dunlop, said:
"The Glasgow Region City Deal will transform the local economy, drive economic prosperity and help create nearly 30,000 jobs and I was pleased that the UK Government is supporting it with a £500million investment.

"The airport link is an important part of the City Deal, so it’s good to see this progress and I look forward to working with Renfrewshire and Glasgow City councils and others partners in the months ahead."

A survey of businesses in the Glasgow City Region conducted earlier this year revealed three quarters of respondents view Glasgow Airport as either ‘important’ or ‘very important’ to their operations.

Renfrewshire Chamber of Commerce Chief Executive, Bob Grant, gave his backing to the project:

“A Direct Rail link is crucial to allow our companies to compete more effectively. Glasgow Airport is a key economic driver for the whole of Renfrewshire and greater Glasgow.

"Our most important asset needs an effective transport infrastructure which will allow businesses to service new markets, attract and retain staff and maintain a competitive advantage.

“We are delighted to see these plans evolve and the demand from the business community is clear: – three quarters of companies surveyed said this link would boost their sales or turnover.”

Glasgow Chamber of Commerce Chief Executive, Stuart Patrick, said:

“We welcome the commitment being made by the two local authorities to this vitally important air access link. The Chamber has campaigned long and hard for many years on the issue and this is an important step forward.

“The ongoing monthly growth in passenger numbers at Glasgow Airport and the increasing percentage of inbound visitors and investors who expect a rail link strengthens the business case.”

The proposals would see up to four tram-trains per hour running in each direction taking passengers between Glasgow Central Station, Paisley Gilmour Street and the airport.

The interchange point at Paisley Gilmour Street would enable passengers from the Paisley area and from destinations on the Ayrshire and Inverclyde train lines to access the service to the airport without having to travel via the city centre.

Journeys across the length of the route would take 16.5 minutes, meaning a dramatic improvement for people travelling to and from the airport by public transport.

Currently, over 80 per cent of passengers and staff travel to and from the airport by road, with the M8 already suffering from repeated and worsening congestion during peak times.

The new tram-trains would provide a reliable and convenient alternative and help prevent motorway gridlock.

Dr John McCormick, chairman of the Scottish Association for Public Transport, welcomed the progress with the project. He said:

"A tram-rain link between Glasgow Central and Glasgow Airport will seamlessly integrate the ScotRail network with the international air network. The electrically powered vehicles will reduce CO2 emissions generated by surface travel to the airport. The rail link will also provide a reliable journey time, bypassing the increasingly congested M8.

“Importantly, it will raise the profile of Scotland's largest city, providing a fast and reliable journey to the city centre for travellers arriving by air."

The tram-train model was chosen as the preferred option after an appraisal established it offered the greatest opportunity of encouraging people to travel to and from the airport via public transport.

It would reduce the required time for all trips travelling through Glasgow City Centre and Paisley Gilmour Street to the airport, and minimises the need for journeys to include a change of trains.

[Fairdealfrank]

8yrs to build seems extreme for approximately 2 miles of railway line but hopefully it'll happen this timeHeathrow third rwy syndrome!

At least this one will eventually be completed............won't it?

[GASA]

Only 13 million passengers by 2030 according to that article about the new train line. Edinburgh does about 12 million now. Doesn't seem very competitive...

[jum]

Any sign of them flying between Glasgow to Halifax in 2017?

[Callum Paterson]

Any sign of them flying between Glasgow to Halifax in 2017?

Yes. Flights have been on sale for sometime now. Try westjet.com.

[LandingConfig]

Only 13 million passengers by 2030 according to that article about the new train line. Edinburgh does about 12 million now. Doesn't seem very competitive...
Drastically inaccurate figure.

[jum]

Thanks landing config

[inOban]

Callum. I now know why LOG are flying from GLA. Flybe flights from EDI to Bergen have been loaded. Up to 2x week from mid May to end august.

[Exasperated]

Callum. I now know why LOG are flying from GLA. Flybe flights from EDI to Bergen have been loaded. Up to 2x week from mid May to end august.
Edinburgh flights are indirect via Sumburgh

[inOban]

Ah yes. Flybe have loaded flights to Wick Kirkwall as well. They've also loaded Cardiff but other UK destinations are still missing.

[sf01]

Callum. I now know why LOG are flying from GLA. Flybe flights from EDI to Bergen have been loaded. Up to 2x week from mid May to end august.

They are doing it from GLA because they have a business case and see it as a viable route. Anyway as pointed out the EDI flight is not direct. It makes sense to do it from GLA also as that is their largest base.

[inOban]

Which explains of course why none are listed after august 31.

[fjencl]

Airline pilot suffers heart attack before take-off (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/airline-pilot-suffers-heart-attack-before-take-off/ar-AAl4TDs?li=AAdeCd7&ocid=spartanntp)

[SealinkBF]

Ah yes. Flybe have loaded flights to Wick Kirkwall as well. They've also loaded Cardiff but other UK destinations are still missing.

Wick Kirkwall flights are via Edinburgh, which just seems pointless.
When I lived in Wick there were about four flights per day from Wick to Kirkwall

[inOban]

When I was 6 I flew from Wick to Kirkwall in a DC3 as part of a trip that started in Inverness at 4am and ended on Whalsay in Shetland after 11pm.

[Callum Paterson]

Wizz Air increasing capacity to Gdansk by introducing the A321.

[Callum Paterson]

New Ryanair route to Zadar from June now on sale. The timings of this flight could suggest a third based aircraft.

[VickersVicount]

MUC-GLA appearing on some booking engines with Eurowings, albeit just twice weekly summer seasonal. No sign of VIE using the same portals, which I would have preferred over MUC.

[mwm991]

I went on there to look, its giving me a 1x weekly on Saturdays starting in May.

[LandingConfig]

That's the existing Lufthansa service.

[inOban]

I expect it's aimed at German tourists, although they won't turn away Scots! After all Easyjet have a daily flight from EDI.

[FRatSTN]

That's the existing Lufthansa service.

That's all what I see as well. I notice there is a new Eurowings 5x weekly EDI to MUC though showing on Google flights for next summer.

Munich is to be the next base for Eurowings with reportedly around 30 routes for next summer; STN will be served 6x weekly.

[Callum Paterson]

Yet again we can't discuss a new route at GLA without the EDI obsession striking.

[inOban]

Eurowings own site only has the GLA flights from may 3. No mention of any EDI flights.

[A350Saltire]

Yet again we can't discuss a new route at GLA without the EDI obsession striking.

I've never seen a person more obsessed with EDI than you so your comment makes me laugh somewhat!

[billyg]

I've never seen a person more obsessed with EDI than you so your comment makes me laugh somewhat!

Go and laugh on the Edinburgh thread then !

[A350Saltire]

Go and laugh on the Edinburgh thread then !

I'll laugh at the hypocrites here thanks

[Callum Paterson]

I've never seen a person more obsessed with EDI than you so your comment makes me laugh somewhat!

I've never once posted in the EDI thread. Not once. Thanks very much.

If it wasn't so sad, desperate, cringe-worthy and down right odd, it would be hilarious how Edisexuals like yourself get so worked up every time GLA gets a new route.

Seriously, go back to the EDI thread. It's long time the moderators here have a word with the GLA obsessed Edisexuals.

[VickersVicount]

The EDI 'enthusiasm' is legendary, but I dont think silly names does you any justice. Reign it in...

[GASA]

I agree. So many conversations about Glasgow turn in an Edinburgh direction, but it's usually pro Glasgow folk who are taking it that way to make comparisons. No need in my book. Both good strong airports and growing in their own right.

[Callum Paterson]

Facts and evidance show otherwise. Anyway, let's try this again. See how long we can talk about a new route into Scotland's biggest city before someone's blood pressure gets the better of them.

Looking at the Eurowings website this route appears that it could be operated up to 5 times per week. Daily excluding Monday and Sunday.

[FRatSTN]

Wow! and I thought the LTN folk at times were bad enough :rolleyes:

Let's just clear a few things up...

GLA to MUC is bookable through the EW website next summer 1x weekly on a Saturday but is clearly shown as being operated by Lufthansa mainline.

Now...

Eurowings are to, potentially as soon as tomorrow, announce their next base in Munich.

After a quick look through Google's flight search (so not yet via the LH or EW websites), Eurowings will fly new routes to London-Stansted (6x weekly) and Edinburgh (5x weekly) from Munich next summer.

[Callum Paterson]

The once weekly Saturday flight is the existing Lufthansa mainline flight. This flight is still showing alongside newly added Eurowings flights operated by Air Berlin.

[inOban]

According to routes online the Glasgow flights are on days 3,5, but they're still not on the eurowings site, unlike the EDI 5X schedule. Do you think they will replace the LH flight?

[mwm991]

I've always thought a GLA-MUC service would do alright given the associations between beer, football and the fact its a big hub for a major carrier.

[VickersVicount]

Would be odd for mainline LH to continue, unless there are inbound travel contracts associated with that 'oddball'.
Twice weekly better than nothing but will be interested to see what format it survives in, esp with 5x weekly along the road in EDI.

[VickersVicount]

....shame no VIE. A lovely city.

[FRatSTN]

Glasgow is showing in the drop-down menu on the Cobalt website although no flights bookable as yet.

[ScotsSLF]

Couldnt see Glasgow. Only STN, BHX and MAN

[HH6702]

NCL was shown earlier also

[GLAEDI]

http://www.glasgowairport.com/corporate/media-centre/posts/2017/january/11/glasgow-airports-passenger-numbers-soar-to-record-94-million-during-golden-anniversary-year/

With quite a few new destinations next year they must go through the 10 million passengers barrier next year, plus coming 2nd in the European Awards best airport in 5-10million category 2016 must be seen as a successful anniversary year.

[mwm991]

Looking possible you would think. It would be 10m plus already if Sturgeon International wasn't sucking punters down to rural Ayrshire.

[VickersVicount]

interesting to see GLA joining the 'drop off charge' gang...
presumably more a money making scheme for development rather the offered reason of improving traffic flow...

[sf01]

interesting to see GLA joining the 'drop off charge' gang...
presumably more a money making scheme for development rather the offered reason of improving traffic flow...

Something has got to pay for the works required for the rumoured A380 service.

£2 for ten minutes isn't awful and also 30mins free in the long-stay. People have the option to go to the free drop off or the paid for one.

[PaulFrank]

£2 for ten minutes isn't awful and also 30mins free in the long-stay. People have the option to go to the free drop off or the paid for one.

Glasgow joins airport rip off Britain.

Many EU airport don't seem to need to make this charge, and many seem superior.

[Skipness One Echo]

Most airports, even terrorist fearing and gun ridden US of A ones don't behave like this. You can park outside the terminal to drop people off. It's Airport 1.01.
The British take ripping off a captive market seriously.
Also one of the indicators that free market competition between airports doesn't always help the consumer. Airports do not seek to use customer friendly behaviours to differentiate market positioning if another revenue stream can be created and more money milked off the consumer.

The Islamists must be laughing their heads off.....we keep allowing the terrorists to change our way of life AND the penalise outselves some more. Much of this is just group-think.

[McTeir396]

Many EU airports are state owned as are the airports in the USA. UK airports on the other hand are privately owned and therefore are responsible for the road network at the airport hence the difference. If GLA was state owned the road network would be maintained by the tax payer so either way the public will pay for the road up keep and maintenance at their local airport worldwide either directly in the UK or by stealth elsewhere in the world.

[farci]

If GLA was serious in its intent to curb private car congestion they would allow licensed taxis free-of-charge drop-off and pick-up access, thereby encouraging the modal shift they say is necessary.

However taxis will also be subject to the £2 charge which can rise quickly to £30 for 31-60 minutes.

PS: any minute now one of the EDI-boosters will be along to crow that it's only £1 drop-off there. Let's see what happens...

[chaps1954]

Why wait for them when you can do it for them lol! Come to Manchester drop off is free

[mwm991]

New 4 weekly to Madrid with FR for W17.

Meanwhile at Sturgeon International......

[Colin Occupants]

Heard on the local radio (Aberdeen) this morning that Emirates are now offering the complimentary chauffeur service for business class passengers in Aberdeen and Dundee post codes for flights from Glasgow.

[Callum Paterson]

Heard on the local radio (Aberdeen) this morning that Emirates are now offering the complimentary chauffeur service for business class passengers in Aberdeen and Dundee post codes for flights from Glasgow.

Dundee has always been included.

[sinbad73]

Aberdeen has been included for some time too for some fare types AFAIK.

[willy wombat]

I would be interested to know, if anyone has any details, how the ME3 are doing in Scotland (and please, no "my airport is better than your airport" nonsense). Any data re LF, premium carryings, growth (or not) would be of interest.

[A350Saltire]

I can give you load factors and growth per route for December 2016:

EK: GLA-DXB - 87% LF, growth of 1.7%
QR: EDI-DOH - 76% LF, growth of 3.5%
EY: EDI-AUH - 86% LF, growth of 10.2%

[willy wombat]

Thank you very much.

[mwm991]

Krakow FR 2x weekly also launching for W17

[Callum Paterson]

Excellent news regarding Ryanair to both Krakow and Madrid.

GLA now offers direct flights to 9 Polish destinations. Impressive.

And it's long overdue Scotland's largest economy has a direct link to Madrid.

Excellent news indeed.

[Callum Paterson]

Does anyone know when the new routes to Krakow and Madrid will be on sale?

[mwm991]

Excellent news regarding Ryanair to both Krakow and Madrid.

GLA now offers direct flights to 9 Polish destinations. Impressive.

And it's long overdue Scotland's largest economy has a direct link to Madrid.

Excellent news indeed.
Callum you sound like a fanboy, ffs!

[Callum Paterson]

Excuse me?

[Morus193]

Does anyone know if the Korean air charters will be on again this year?

[Callum Paterson]

Does anyone know if the Korean air charters will be on again this year?

They are indeed. Returning in August and September.

[smith]

I saw a Qatar 787 on Thursday at GLA. What was that all about?

[LAX_LHR]

Divert from Manchester due to storm Doris.

[smith]

Cheers. You'd have thought it would have diverted to EDI since they have handling agents etc already in place though.

[GLAEDI]

According to Ryanair page they have announced daily GLA to FRA starting in Oct. Though it's not LH but will open GLASGOW to LH route network and another German destination available.

http://www.glasgowairport.com/corporate/media-centre/posts/2017/february/28/ryanair-announce-new-daily-frankfurt-service-from-glasgow-airport/

From GLA's website

[EGPFlyer]

Cheers. You'd have thought it would have diverted to EDI since they have handling agents etc already in place though.
EDI isn't accepting diversions due to lack of parking

[willy wombat]

You'd have thought they could have parked loads of aircraft on 31/13

[VickersVicount]

wonder if that puts the nail in the coffin for a LH FRA service or whether it could provoke LH to try FRA again as FR certainly promote pax numbers, just look at Berlin.

[CabinCrewe]

Personally I cant see LH trying Frankfurt. Wonder if Copenhagen from FR could be next. GLA had a long tradition with CPH than seemed to dissolve away, now with a disproportionate number from EDI.

[mwm991]

It could work as a 2x, 3x, 4x weekly service I think, anything more and that would struggle IMO.

[Skipness One Echo]

Beggars belief GLA can't support a twice daily LH FRA and AF CDG for business. Never managed to work that one out.

[ATNotts]

Beggars belief GLA can't support a twice daily LH FRA and AF CDG for business. Never managed to work that one out.
Perhaps because since time immemorial Scotland has been served by frequent domestic services connecting GLA and EDI with LHR, and old habits die hard.

It's really only since Scotland got real power, and a real political capital in Edinburgh that direct services to continental Europe have really expanded, and this will surely have worked to the detriment of Glasgow and the west of Scotland - much in the same way that the pull of London, and it's proximity has screwed BHX.

[FQTLSteve]

ATNotts....don't think proximity to LHR has damaged BHX with respect of LH to FRA/MUC or AF to CDG as all three are well served multiple daily frequency by these legacy carries and have been so for many years.

[ATNotts]

ATNotts....don't think proximity to LHR has damaged BHX with respect of LH to FRA/MUC or AF to CDG as all three are well served multiple daily frequency by these legacy carries and have been so for many years.
Agree, but it was only when the BHX / LHR link was killed off that European services to major business cities really took off, as passengers began to choose hubs other than LHR to connect to long haul destinations through.

I am guessing that most of the bigger corporates in Glasgow that use air travel will have a "fly British Airways" policy, and many passengers themselves will be on the Avios programme.

[rob39]

Any news on why TC G-TCDD was late leaving this morning for ACE

[sinbad73]

Blue Air have announced a new Iasi - Glasgow route.

[VickersVicount]

Lasi... a bit like marmite, weird but nice. Blue Air are an airline worth watching. Hopefully more routes to come.
'Glasgow- the Scottish Airport with the most links to Romania' should be promoted.
Full circle from the 70's and 80's when Tarom were regulars.

[mwm991]

A provincial inland city in Romania eh, is it wrong of me to say I'd be completely stunned if this route stuck, even at a measly 2x weekly?

[nivsy]

EZY flight to JER tonight ...Appears to have been an evening sight seeing trip, around JER and back for late evening arrival again GLA? Fog at JER? But why back to GLA and no alternate? Positioning for morning again? Suspect a few miffed pax on board?

[Gulf Julliet Papa]

If you can't get passengers to the right land mass it is easier and usually cheaper to bring them back. U2 are responsible to get the pax to JER, if you dive into BOH for example, you then have to accommodate them and still get them from BOH to JER. If pax are back at base then easier to find aircraft etc to get them to JER. Also you'd probably find majority of pax would be happier to be back in GLA, than a 3rd place

[LFT]

Any truth in the rumour that Glasgow is getting a Hong Kong flight?

[A350Saltire]

Any truth in the rumour that Glasgow is getting a Hong Kong flight?

Can't see it...

[CraigJay]

Any truth in the rumour that Glasgow is getting a Hong Kong flight?

Where did you hear this? It would be a big surprise if glasgow got a Chinese link before edinburgh.

[GLAEDI]

A350 Saltire, why not? Are you saying that Edinburgh and the Central Belt isn't big enough for a Chinese route? Both airports are the same market Central Belt/Scotland that's what the ME3 certainly see. Biggest Cantonese community in Scotland and biggest Chinese community in Scotland is in Glasgow. Also HKG and Shanghai (if that's the EDI route) are not exactly close to each other. Also Glasgow is closer to Loch Lomond & the Trossachs where the tour groups head. Certainly less runway considerations at Glasgow than Edinburgh as I've heard that's why the Edinburgh flight is to be coupled with DUB and ARN as possibilities.

I've heard rumours of Cathay but given what's been said on Manchester's thread about lack of availability of aircraft maybe a while yet.

[A350Saltire]

A350 Saltire, why not? Are you saying that Edinburgh and the Central Belt isn't big enough for a Chinese route? Both airports are the same market Central Belt/Scotland that's what the ME3 certainly see. Biggest Cantonese community in Scotland and biggest Chinese community in Scotland is in Glasgow. Also HKG and Shanghai (if that's the EDI route) are not exactly close to each other. Also Glasgow is closer to Loch Lomond & the Trossachs where the tour groups head. Certainly less runway considerations at Glasgow than Edinburgh as I've heard that's why the Edinburgh flight is to be coupled with DUB and ARN as possibilities.

I've heard rumours of Cathay but given what's been said on Manchester's thread about lack of availability of aircraft maybe a while yet.

It was more to do with Cathay rather than GLA - I can't see them expanding into Scotland yet.

[LFT]

Where did you hear this? It would be a big surprise if glasgow got a Chinese link before edinburgh.


Why's that then?

[CabinCrewe]

I would have thought that would have obvious, EDI has far higher inbound Chinese tourism starting point, tacky souvenir shops, pandas, tourist board/government interventions... etc etc
I personally would do anything to avoid travelling China Eastern (I mean, why would you?) but this will essentially be a scheduled 'charter' !
Cathay ex GLA?? You and the spotters are having a laugh.

[CraigJay]

Are Chinese Eastern really that bad? What do you mean by a "scheduled charter" flight?. Runway considerations were mentioned earlier, what exactly would have to be considered about edinburgh's runway?

[inOban]

Glasgow's runway is 100m longer.

[CraigJay]

Glasgow's runway is 100m longer.

Is not big difference though is it? I don't think it's going to make an airline choose glasgow over edinburgh.

[GLAEDI]

It restricts MTOW for certain aircraft types, a 100m is a good chunk of runway before your nose wheel digs deep into the grass on an aborted takeoff. So it's a consideration if you're looking for freight to help with costs. I suspect to China the flights will be at MTOW.

[GASA]

I can't believe any China flights to either Edinburgh or Glasgow would be dependent on freight. They'll fill those with tourists and first class tourists/business folk no problem.

[CraigJay]

It restricts MTOW for certain aircraft types, a 100m is a good chunk of runway before your nose wheel digs deep into the grass on an aborted takeoff. So it's a consideration if you're looking for freight to help with costs. I suspect to China the flights will be at MTOW.

What would roughly be the required length of runway for an a330 and 777 at MTOW?

[LFT]

I can't believe any China flights to either Edinburgh or Glasgow would be dependent on freight. They'll fill those with tourists and first class tourists/business folk no problem.


Glasgow has the only 1st Class cabin operating to/from Scotland on Emirates 2 x daily 777-300.

[Skipness One Echo]

GASA First Class from Scotland has until Emirates, been almost impossible to offer. Neither Qatar or Etihad even offer it from Scotland with good reason. Even US bound flights offer only up to Business.

[CraigJay]

Chinese aircraft that come to Scotland won't have first class anyway but I'd imagine they wouldn't have any problem filling business class.

[GASA]

Sorry that was a bad choice of words. I was just trying to encompass anything better than economy class.

[OntimeexceptACARS]

If either come to Scotland its unlikely to be non stop.

[CraigJay]

If either come to Scotland its unlikely to be non stop.

Why do you believe it's unlikely to be non stop?

[inOban]

Why not? China Eastern have a number of 330-200 a/c, and the distance between EDI and Shanghai, just over 5600miles, is well within range so wouldn't need MTOW.

[nighthawk117]

A fully loaded A330 needs 2770m of runway at MTOW, giving a range of 7,250nm.

EDI runway is 2556m, so an A330 will not be able to operate at max takeoff weight. EDI-PVG however is only 5,625 mi, so should be achievable with a decent load out of EDI.

Any Edinburgh-China flight will be primarily aimed at inbound Chinese tourism, but will also cater to the huge Chinese->UK cargo market, which will bring in a considerable amount of extra revenue. Runway length is not an issue for this. There will also be demand for outbound cargo, so any extra cargo they can carry here will be a bonus.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't realise this was the Glasgow forum.

In reality, any Chinese flight will be catering to the inbound Chinese tourist market, many of whom will be travelling as part of a package deal, which will take in most of the sights of Scotland. In such a case, either airport would be suitable. Edinburgh might be slightly better known though, so may have a slight edge.

[OntimeexceptACARS]

Think this should be relocated to the EDI forum, but I just don't think the loads are there, even at something like 3 pw. What MIGHT work is a multi stop flight, like EDI/DUB or GLA/ARN. Happy to be proven wrong though.

[CraigJay]

Think this should be relocated to the EDI forum, but I just don't think the loads are there, even at something like 3 pw. What MIGHT work is a multi stop flight, like EDI/DUB or GLA/ARN. Happy to be proven wrong though.

I think both GLA and EDI could both easily fill a 3pw service. There are airports that have similar sized catchment areas that that have multiple flights to China and the Far East, Prague for example has 3 different airlines flying multiple times a week to China. I don't see why places like Prague can do it and Edinburgh or Glasgow couldn't.

[CabinCrewe]

Think this should be relocated to the EDI forum, but I just don't think the loads are there, even at something like 3 pw. What MIGHT work is a multi stop flight, like EDI/DUB or GLA/ARN. Happy to be proven wrong though.
There have been rumours mentioned that these type of flights would be double drop anyway... China Eastern I think could have potentially be via a Scandinavian point and Hainan was via MAN or DUB. Agree, a direct high frequency widebody is pushing it even with cargo and panda tourists.

[chaps1954]

Very much doubt Manchester as they are increasing to 5 weekly due to loads which have been averaging 92% plus a lot of cargo

[VickersVicount]

Think this was rumoured with the original now dropped Munich, but nice to see another ski route from GLA
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/271999/eurowings-w17-new-short-haul-routes-as-of-23mar17/

[willy wombat]

VV - can't make the link work.

[canberra97]

The link works fine!

If you couldn't open the link I would advise you to go the RoutesOnline website which by the way is an excellent site which should be viewed everyday as it's very informative and well respected by the aviation industry.

[rutankrd]

I think both GLA and EDI could both easily fill a 3pw service. There are airports that have similar sized catchment areas that that have multiple flights to China and the Far East, Prague for example has 3 different airlines flying multiple times a week to China. I don't see why places like Prague can do it and Edinburgh or Glasgow couldn't.

Immensely strong Educational ties that predate the fall of the Berlin Wall, cultural and historical ties (the silk road trade routes. Ghengis and his mob), but mainly LOCATION in the centre of Europe with road and rail ground distribution of freight and those tourist coaches right across the mainland in hours !

Now think why Prague is so much ahead of Scotland and even North West England.

These islands are and will remain a branch line cul d'sac what ever happens its simply geography.

Many think as we are an island nation and that import more than half of the goods into our economy we must be a leading shipper in tonnage , well actually much/most of our goods simply arrive daily in the low countries on immense container ships or 747/772 freighters serving the MEGA market across the sea with our elements offloaded put on trains or coastal vessels back here that the economical reality.

[willy wombat]

The link now works because VV edited the post to make it work. Thanks.

[inOban]

I could be pedantic and point out that Ghengis is Hungary, not Czechia, but there is much truth in what rutankrd is saying. Until 3-400 years ago the focus of trade from both England and Scotland was eastward to continental Europe. Hence the huge East Anglian churches, built from the profits of the wool trade, Hanseatic League ports such as London and King's Lynn, and the Dutch-inspred architecture of the towns such as Culross in Five.
The centre of gravity moved West as a result of the growth of the Empire and of the industrial Revolution. It is now, inevitably, returning eastwards as our economy again becomes more and more integrated with that of our ancient trading partners. This is difficult, emotionally, for many to accept. Just as it is difficult for many to accept that, as a country, we have been living beyond our means with a huge trade deficit.

[rutankrd]

inOban
The Austro- Hungary Empire and other pre Medieval Hun kingdoms encompassed much of modern day Czechia and Slovakia. Neighbouring Hungary is but a remnant of the today.

But still ...

Good reference to the Hanseatic league there and its real importance in modelling these island trading relationships.Those German, Dutch and Belgium (modern day) guys held sway on huge amounts of our trade once up on time.
Today the legacy remains with the dominance of Rotterdam, Antwerp and Hamburg ports with Felixstowe and Tilbury simply being feeders in the main.

Gone right off the tread relevance now through

[inOban]

I agree. Just like to raise the intellectual tone from time to time!

[VickersVicount]

Very misleading title but interesting to note specific mention of Glasgow. Im sure the Indian airlines will have done their catchment and connecting homework
Glasgow Airport to offer direct flights to India (From Evening Times) (http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15182542.Glasgow_Airport_to_offer_direct_flights_to_India/)

[GLAEDI]

www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-named-one-of-world-s-best-airportshttp://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/detail/dublin-airport-named-one-of-world-s-best-airports

From the Dublin thread. Glasgow number 2 airport in the world according to the DAA website.

[Donkey497]

I'm treating the two lists with a serious degree of scepticism.
Having been through six out of the ten in the best list, I'd only rate Oslo as half decent, the rest not at all. At least it hasn't totally succumbed to the shopping mall with the odd semi-attached departure gate.

On the worst list, I simply can't believe that Heathrow isn't there. It's not the worst airport in the world, but it's such a hateful experience passing through the place that even our corporate travel policy lets us book more expensive alternatives rather than transit through it (& a select few others, including one in the best list).

[inOban]

In spite of the fact that T5 at LHR was voted second best airport terminal in the world, with Munich @1, Changi @3 and T2 at 4th - also by users!

[mwm991]

In spite of the fact that T5 at LHR was voted second best airport terminal in the world, with Munich @1, Changi @3 and T2 at 4th - also by users!
T5 is great. For minted punters who have money to burn at designer stores like DG and French Connection!

[canberra97]

French Connection is more of a Main Street brand so it's a bit unfair to say it's a designer store for 'minted punters' a term I really find annoying especially 'punters' when 'passengers' are concerned.

If you don't want to shop you don't need to as you could always have a coffee and admire the marvellous views from the large glass windows overlooking the whole airport!

Terminal 5 is a great terminal it has lots to offer to all tastes 'minted or not' and I always enjoy using it, it makes a huge difference after a flight with BA from Terminal 3.

[sinbad73]

Bringing this back to Glasgow Airport..................................................

[BFS BHD]

New routes to Bodrum, Kefalonia & Thessaloniki on sale for S18.

[CabinCrewe]

EDI and ABZ S18 May flights with AF to CDG now bookable, GLA not.... surely not dropped?
Had encouraged huge percentage increase in monthly pax travelling to CDG, but with base fares remaining in the lowest bucket doesnt bode well (competing EZY charges quite high). First A318, then down to Hop! Emb, now unbookable. Doesnt look good. Wonder if it was actually too low frequency /timing/ consistency not good enough for connection opportunites. Given that a huge amount of AF connections are South and West, one presumes little impact from ie Emirates (as as similar set ups elsewhere in UK doesnt seem to impact)
I understand investment in advertising is/was significant on this route. Strange when KL ex AMS does very well. Maybe its AF perceived reputation!
No legacy FRA or CDG connections is not great news.

[Callum Paterson]

Delta Air Lines has launched daily flights to JFK. I believe the inaugural flight was last week.

[Skipness One Echo]

T5 is great. For minted punters who have money to burn at designer stores like DG and French Connection!
T5 is great (most of the time) when on domestics and you arrive on a domestic stand. Time to Tube compares to London City from 501 !
No legacy FRA or CDG connections is not great news.
I agree but Glasgow, like Gatwick has some market quirks in terms of strenghts and weaknesses. It has not been able to hold onto Lufthansa or Air France in the by now several attempts they've both had at competing with KLM, whereas EDI has done much better.

[sinbad73]

LH increasing their twice weeky offering GLA-MUC to four weekly from W17.

[Callum Paterson]

With EZY's Hamburg base closing, how safe is the GLA base?

It is one of the smallest throughout the entire network and has been stagnant for over a decade.

Are EZY looking to have fewer bases while concentrating growth at their very largest bases? If so, there must be question marks over the future of GLA.

[Skipness One Echo]

Given the problems of current non UK ops ref. Brexit, surely winding back core UK might not be wise?

[Nil further]

I have a little knowledge of Ezy GLA operations . AFAIK the routes served from GLA have grown from 4 c.10 years ago to over 20 now .
One airframe was added in 2006 taking the total to 4 .So in that respect i guess you could call it "stagnant"

EZY will close any base ,large or small that does not meet there ROCE target . Previous closures have included Madrid and Rome , both substantially larger than GLA .

As to the future , who knows , the geo-political situation in Scotland does not encourage large inward investment . The cut proposed in APD would surely encourage all airline operators in Scotland to look afresh (if it ever happens )

[inOban]

Scottish airports boosted by international traffic - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-40246712)

Continuing growth.

[VickersVicount]

Amazing growth month on month for past few years. EK noted as adding to increases. Their service really is the the success story in Scotland ME routes. Presumably the rumoured July 18 A380 launch still on track.
Wonder if VS to MCO can increase in any way if they too are contributing to growth.
Nice to see LH MUC increase confirmed
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/273251/lufthansa-extends-munich-glasgow-service-to-year-round-in-w17/

[Kilpatricknick]

Amazing growth month on month for past few years. EK noted as adding to increases. Their service really is the the success story in Scotland ME routes. Presumably the rumoured July 18 A380 launch still on track.
Wonder if VS to MCO can increase in any way if they too are contributing to growth.
Nice to see LH MUC increase confirmed
Lufthansa extends Munich ? Glasgow service to year-round in W17 :: Routesonline (http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/273251/lufthansa-extends-munich-glasgow-service-to-year-round-in-w17/)

Its only gonna happen if GLA invest in taxiway improvements and a fancy new double jetway on the current stand and maybe an extra fuel line as well. Really down to the airport to drive this rather than the airline. Also a challenge to get it "in and out" in the current 105 minute turnaround. That failed miserably during the Apr 14 trial so would EK be happy for a later departure? I would surmise that if it happens it will start with the lunchtime flights with the evening ones remaining 777's. Cant see it going double daily 380's for some time to come.

[LandingConfig]

That failed miserably during the Apr 14 trial so would EK be happy for a later departure?

It had a scheduled turnaround of 3 hours....

[Kilpatricknick]

It had a scheduled turnaround of 3 hours....

Due in at the usual 12.35. Made it down at 12.55 due to aborted landing. From memory due out at 14.45(??) (an extra half hour built in perhaps) but not airborne until around 16.00.

Point I was making if its to become a regular service will EK be willing to allow for significantly increased groundtime over the current 100/105 minutes scheduled for the current 777's

[Callum Paterson]

But that goes without saying. Of course the A380 requires more turn around time. It's a much bigger aircraft.

The A380 has a longer turn time, globally, for all airlines, compared against the 777. This would hardly be unique to GLA.

[tws123]

New route: SEN-GLA 8x weekly with Flybe/Stobart Air on an E195 from the 29th October.

[jum]

There appears to be a vast number of weekly seats to Canada ex Gla, in particular to Toronto. Any idea if air Canada, west jet and air transat are filling their aircraft? In particular, I wonder how westjet are doing via Halifax Hopefully all doing well.

[VickersVicount]

There appears to be a vast number of weekly seats to Canada ex Gla, in particular to Toronto. Any idea if air Canada, west jet and air transat are filling their aircraft? In particular, I wonder how westjet are doing via Halifax Hopefully all doing well.
The only way you'll know that is with peak summer CAA official data. They all operated with good loads last year and the schedule is similar this year (albeit with WestJet less frequent towards the end). Air Transat felt the need to add extra capacity this year (summer and winter), so at a guess id say 'all doing well'

[PAXboy]

I like the understated 'has had its problems ...'

Bosses at Glasgow airport – which has had its problems with customer satisfaction – have imposed a £2 charge for dropping off passengershttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/02/enough-fly-boys-without-the-snp-cosying-up-to-airports-industry

Amanda McMillan, the managing director of Glasgow airport. In an interview in the Herald a few years ago she warmed to this theme. “Everyone I know thinks Glasgow airport is a public service – they see it as being closer to a hospital or a school. The public don’t care if I hit my business plan targets, they want to make sure this place is always open; efficient; friendly and something they can be proud of.”

McMillan doesn’t say if her “business plan targets” include a bonus scheme accompanying a salary that was £293,000 in 2014; in which case the drop-off tax begins to make sense

[GLAEDI]

Email from Glasgow Airport, MUC on LH to become all year round with 4 Departures in the Winter.

[VickersVicount]

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/57543-uks-flylolo-attempts-relaunch-with-canary-islands-flights
See how long this lasts...

[Rob Royston]

No legacy FRA or CDG connections is not great news.
For many travelers GLA to CDG is a feeder route to a medium haul flight. Many from the Glasgow area take an early taxi (or the coach) and catch the EDI to CDG at ~0620. Coming home they are allowed to fly back directly to either GLA or EDI, or to either with an AMS diversion if it saves time.
GLA must be losing a lot of outward passengers as they don't have an aircraft overnighting there like EDI does

[GLAEDI]

http://http://www.glasgowairport.com/corporate/media-centre/posts/2017/july/11/new-post/

16% growth at Glasgow.

[willy wombat]

Don't want to be rude but the press release says 5.7%, not 16%. Still OK though.

[VickersVicount]

European scheduled growth was 16%

[Suzeman]

Point I was making if its to become a regular service will EK be willing to allow for significantly increased groundtime over the current 100/105 minutes scheduled for the current 777's

The turnaround time at MAN for the A380 is scheduled for 115 minutes, usually achieved or thereabouts. There is a double airbridge but limited holding area in the pier it goes from, so EK have developed a pretty slick boarding procedure with Y pax being called to the gate earlier and J and F passengers being held back in their lounge until ready. The aircraft is parked at the end of the Pier and close to taxiways, only some of which are cleared for A380.

The crucial thing is that whatever the turn time is at GLA should accord with Departure and Arrival times at DXB to fit in with their connecting waves.

[Callum Paterson]

http://http://www.glasgowairport.com/corporate/media-centre/posts/2017/july/11/new-post/

16% growth at Glasgow.

The first time GLA HAS handled over a million passengers in June yes. But not the first in any month.

[inOban]

GLA persists in distinguishing IT PAX from International Scheduled, an increasingly impossible distinction since the IT providers usually sell some seats on a flight only basis, and many seats on EZY and FR are block booked by IT providers, and not just the niche ones - TUI can use EZY. And of course Jet2 are definitely a ' mixed operation'. I don't know how they allocate PAX to each category, but naturally the PR department has spun the data to best advantage, with the greatest increase (16%) being in international scheduled. They don't publish the increase, if any, in IT and domestic. They bring down the overall increase to 5.7%.

EDI doesn't separate IT from scheduled. Maybe when they get round to posting the data on their media pages we will have a better idea, but clearly their overall growth is almost twice that of GLA.

[VickersVicount]

GLA persists in distinguishing IT PAX from International Scheduled....EDI doesn't separate IT from scheduled.
What's your point caller, for the GLA thread?

[CabinCrewe]

Wonder if DL might consider something year round given that United will pull their long running EWR year round service and change to seasonal only. Odd, when GLA sometimes carries more than EDI on comparable winter service to EWR.
Cheap fare Norwegian 'New York' effect ?

[GASA]

Differing from GLA, United and others probably cannot pull any flights from EDI because they have to fight off Norwegian's new services. Although, this is only IMHO, nothing has been announced officially.

[Skipness One Echo]

United dropping Glasgow (again) is a shocker IMHO. They've operated the ex CO route for 19 years year round. Kills connectivity direct from GLA going west, important for business. Perhaps D8 might disrupt the Scottish market in unintended ways?

[mwm991]

Not good news. Not a fan of the United product but as stated above, thats the impact.

Would be surprised to see Norwegian come to Glasgow, given they've stated that they see the central belt as one big market.

[VickersVicount]

Looks like some winter FI flights from GLA-KEF being upgraded to 757-300 - presumably to coincide with extra JFK flight from KEF and also with withdrawal of United from GLA.
Still no replacement for a direct service.

[LBIA]

Flybe/Loganair to axe 2x daily Saab 340, Glasgow-Leeds route next Friday August 4th.

[CabinCrewe]

No wonder. Daft route.

[Mooncrest]

No wonder. Daft route.

What, in your opinion, is daft about this route, CabinCrewe ?

[CabinCrewe]

Low demand from outset
Wrong aircraft size (twin otter at a push)
No codeshares
No advertising
One change train in just over 3 hours for £18
Within easy driving distance
Disproportionate airfares
(£380 return for midweek dep)
No weekend service
... etc, etc

[VickersVicount]

Agree, surprised LBA lasted this length of time after BMI.
Meanwhile FR and OCS under the spotlight. So 'vulnerable' she missed the Hen do in DUB.
https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1394267-family-s-anger-after-pensioner-put-on-wrong-ryanair-flight/

[Albert Hall]

Well, I guess if flying a route that has been served consistently for the last 40 years, supported over 50k pax per year on four daily E145s at one point and certainly isn't an easy drive is "daft" then that means pretty much all UK domestic air services are doomed. BTW, trains take four hours, not three - which you'd know if you'd ever tried it! Must be other factors at play here like a big corporate changing its travel patterns - which was what did for LBA/Bristol - or just the cost of APD and general inconvenience of getting through airports which is taking longer and longer nowadays but erodes the time saving of flying on all but the longer journeys. Nonetheless, daft is perhaps a rather dismissive term though.

[CabinCrewe]

Well, I guess if flying a route that has been served consistently for the last 40 years, supported over 50k pax per year on four daily E145s at one point
And to be of any useful value nowadays which is what we are referring to, when did it last carry 50K?

that means pretty much all UK domestic air services are doomed
You've lost me, if you compare 8 Airbuses a day on a LHR high connecting domestic service with a half empty twice daily LBA route on a small Saab.
general inconvenience of getting through airports which is taking longer and longer nowadays but erodes the time saving of flying
Exactly and especially on routes where you can drive or get the train 'in 4 hours'
Would it be a 'daft' decision to allow it to continue, empty and loss making, regardless of reasons... most certainly.

[Callum Paterson]

Does anyone have an idea what Loganair plan to do in order to utilise the LBA slots?

[ScotsSLF]

Flew the GLA - LBA route two weeks ago. 8 out , 6 back. Not surprised its axed

[Skipness One Echo]

Capital SD360 / 146, to Loganair SD360, to British Midland ATP then to bmi Regional ERJ135 then picked up again by Loganair on an SF340. Been static and declining since the railways got less rubbish.

[LBIA]

Read elsewhere that an alternative is been sort to connect GLA with LBA.

[willy wombat]

Skipness please - before Capital it was Dan Air with the 748 and for a short period the Nord 262. Before that British Midland Viscount and probably something else before that.

[Skipness One Echo]

Is there a compelling reason that anyone heading to the old domestic or international piers has to walk west of gate 26 then turn back?

I was reflecting how much more convoluted GLA has become. Instead of check in and straight upstairs to security and then straight down the pier to board, one now has to backtrack up an escalator from check in, head all the way to the Western end for security, wander all the way through duty free then out past Boots, all the way past the now blocked entrances to the original piers then past the restaurants, down a slope, enter the old domestic pier, then follow the arriving domestic stream towards the old international pier, avoiding any inbound Loganair or easyJet arrival streams before marching all the to the end of the pier. It's a ball ache for the frequent flier....

[james170969]

I flew from Glasgow a few years ago and because of the layout of the duty free shop I had to go through it in a zig zag fashion and had to go through a cloud of perfume that some assistant was spraying. The layout has changed since then but it would be better if there was an alternative route from security to the departure gates.

[SWBKCB]

wander all the way through duty free then out past Boots, all the way past the now blocked entrances to the original piers then past the restaurants

wonder why they've done that?!? :E

[VickersVicount]

Very little of this is unique to GLA nowadays in UK. Let us know the outcome when you raise it with someone who can do anything about it.

[Callum Paterson]

The only thing strange about this is that people can't work out why airports do this...

[LFT]

Is there a compelling reason that anyone heading to the old domestic or international piers has to walk west of gate 26 then turn back?

I was reflecting how much more convoluted GLA has become. Instead of check in and straight upstairs to security and then straight down the pier to board, one now has to backtrack up an escalator from check in, head all the way to the Western end for security, wander all the way through duty free then out past Boots, all the way past the now blocked entrances to the original piers then past the restaurants, down a slope, enter the old domestic pier, then follow the arriving domestic stream towards the old international pier, avoiding any inbound Loganair or easyJet arrival streams before marching all the to the end of the pier. It's a ball ache for the frequent flier....


"Frequent flyer?" Well, what I do is, check in online, up the escalator, security (which is pretty good at GLA). Look neither right nor left at the duty free windy path, up the ramp, turn right, to, if it's BA, enter Lounge, if someone else head straight for the Gate. Ignore everything else.

[Fairdealfrank]

Agree, surprised LBA lasted this length of time after BMI.
Meanwhile FR and OCS under the spotlight. So 'vulnerable' she missed the Hen do in DUB.
https://stv.tv/news/west-central/139...yanair-flight/ (https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1394267-family-s-anger-after-pensioner-put-on-wrong-ryanair-flight/)

One has to ask (1) how someone could board a flight with the wrong boarding pass; and (2) why wasn't the baggage off-loaded when the pax had failed to board.

....and this with the assistance of staff ".....trusted to get her on the 9.55pm plane....."

Is no one concerned with the serious security issues here!?

[ScotsSLF]

[QUOTE=Skipness One Echo;9849829]Is there a compelling reason that anyone heading to the old domestic or international piers has to walk west of gate 26 then turn back

Everything is designed to ensure the passenger passes as many retail outlets as possible. Very difficult at any airport these days to go straight from check in through security to the gate. I am a frequent flyer out of GLA and you just get used to walking that wee bit extra to the gate whilst ignorng the temptations of rediculously prced bacon rolls.

[inOban]

6.2% increase. I don't know how this corresponds to the increase in seats on offer.

[GLAEDI]

Not as big an increase in seats than Edinburgh, only Delta and few extra Ryanair seats. August sees some of Glasgow's extra capacity move back down south for the English school holidays as mostly IT traffic. Just observations UA dropped obviously due to DL, Air Transat and WestJet not hit as bad I'd have thought by Rouge all three seem to be 80% and above loads and DXB really has retained loads wether yields have been maintained not sure 🤔. Obviously UA have decided to fight NAS at EDI. Icelandair are happy at the moment with the move to 757-300 instead of the -200

[CabinCrewe]

See Blue Air giving 15% off flights on the Lasi route. Maybe not doing that well ?

[edi_local]

See Blue Air giving 15% off flights on the Lasi route. Maybe not doing that well ?

Is it not just a case of trying to keep the seats filled after the inevitable fall in sales as the summer holidays end?

[CabinCrewe]

If that was the case they would all be offering 15 % off, plus its a mostly inbound route less affected by local school holidays.
I see a snap sale for Loganair giving 20 % off all flights.... bargains to be had by the looks of it.