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CEJM
28th Sep 2015, 09:56
I was doing some research into ATSOCAS and came across a notice from the CAA that they are replacing all Class F airspace. This should have been implemented on 13 November 2014.

Yet looking at the latest ATS Airspace Classification chart it still mentions Class F airspace.

Is this just a case of the CAA not updating the chart or has the implementation not finished yet?

Thank you.

ZOOKER
28th Sep 2015, 14:26
CEJM,
I've just checked the current chart in the NATS IAIP ENR Section and Class F isn't mentioned. I think it changed late last year and in fact I've just found a copy of the same chart which I used in a presentation last November which also shows its reclassification to Class E.
ENR 6-1-4-1 is the reference to the current chart....AIRAC 10/2015.

dagowly
28th Sep 2015, 20:43
You're reading into old rules too. ATSOCAS doesn't exist anymore.

Mach Jump
28th Sep 2015, 23:19
My understanding is that all class F (Advisory) airspace in the UK has been either downgraded to Class G, or upgraded to Class E.

The Class F designation still exists, we just don't have any anymore.


MJ:ok:

dagowly
29th Sep 2015, 18:28
A bit like B. Exists, but not in the UK.

Gletta
30th Sep 2015, 08:00
So dagowly are you really saying Air Traffic Services Outside Controlled Air Space don't exist anymore? or did you mean class F does not exist anymore?

ChickenHouse
30th Sep 2015, 08:01
The implementation of F was not compliant to the new SERA regulations, so they should be all gone by now. The old F zones are now G or E with some airfields now being RMZ capped by lowered E.

fisbangwollop
1st Oct 2015, 06:49
All the class F has either been dropped altogether or now become class E+. Basically it is class E that is a TMZ.
http://flyontrack.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/NEW-CLASS-E-AIRSPACE-TMZs_Colour-printing.pdf

Roger That
1st Oct 2015, 21:02
Class F remains available for airspace classification however, under SERA, it should be used for specific purposes. Generally, these lend themselves to airspace that is in transition from uncontrolled to controlled (think aerodromes outside CAS getting busier - but not yet busy enough to justify CAS). The key issue is that the use of Class F should be temporary in nature, pending the submission of an appropriate ACP to establish CAS.

In the UK's case, with Class F Advisory routes having been established for decades, it's reasonable to acknowledge that it's unsustainable for the Airspace Rrgulator to justify that it was temporary, hence the regularisation of this airspace to become either Class G or Class E+TMZ as fisbangwallop says.

CEJM
3rd Oct 2015, 19:04
Thank you very much for the information.

dagowly
3rd Oct 2015, 22:27
I'm saying ATSOCAS, the term, doesn't exist. It has been replaced with UK FIS. As it takes into account portions of what was ATSOCAS that are now incorporated in class E airspace. It can't be Air Traffic Services Outside Controlled Airspace if you're providing parts of it inside controlled airspace.

And as repeated by pretty much everyone so far, F still exists, just not in the UK.

Jat Jet
5th Oct 2015, 11:33
In Germany also, they have replaced class F airspace with Mandatory Radio Zone, following SERA regulations