instructors logbook

[n.dave]

hi there,

I was just wondering do we instructors put anything down under the remarks section in our logbook, say if ex6.1 is taught we put down 6.1, and put trial if it is a trial and so on.

thanks

[nick14]

You should really, name of student and exercise number.

[n.dave]

Thanks Nick.

[Whopity]

How do you prove its flight instruction if it does not contain relevant details including the studen's name? In time it becomes of historical interest.

[n.dave]

How do you prove its flight instruction if it does not contain relevant details including the studen's name? In time it becomes of historical interest.

Whopity:ok:

tech log and student records:)

[MrAverage]

N.Dave

That would only work if the instructor always worked at the same school and it never went bust taking all the records down the drain with it.

[TheOddOne]

My 'new' EASA-compliant logbook has space to record number of landings. so I do, for each flight. Now, strictly, I can only 'claim' landings where I was 'sole manipulator of the controls'. I can't honestly remember after a day's circuits if I demo'd a landing or not, or how many. What about when after the second bounce, I take over? I depend upon having done at least 3 Trial Lessons in a rolling 90 day period to be legal, so I note everything in the 'Remarks' column. As Whopity says, it might be of value someday, if we lose all our student records for some reason. Fortunately, I've never been asked by the AAIB for info about any of my students, the big school I worked for a few years ago went bust big-time!

TOO

[dobbin1]

I divide the landings between myself and the student after each flight. I log mine, and they log theirs. If I help them out by moving the controls at all, it counts as mine. Some days I log no landings at all. I list the exercise number and student's name in the remarks column.

I also log any flight time in tailwheel aircraft and any aerobatic flights. The Insurance company for the Extra 300 I fly seem to want that information every year.

[Genghis the Engineer]

I redesigned my logbook so it has headings that suit me - one of them is instructing time. (Also tailwheel, the two microlight classes to separate them from SEP. ..)

I usually don't log landings anyhow, as they're only relevant to the 90 day rule and I do enough of my own flying to make that irrelevant. On the odd occasion that it is relevant, such as a session of circuits after a break before flying with pax, I note landings in the remarks column.

All logbook entries rely upon trust and integrity anyhow, and you'd sincerely hope that anybody flying as an instructor has that by the bucketload !

Personally, I seldom write exercise numbers in my logbook - almost invariably I just write what we actually did. As much as anything that's probably because as a CRI I seldom fly standard syllabus lessons.

Ultimately, it's all down to the logbook being*personal* isn't it - record what matters for you.

G

[Level Attitude]

AMC1 FCL.050 Recording of flight time
GENERAL
(a) The record of the flights flown should contain at least the following information:

(4) details on pilot function, namely PIC, including solo, SPIC and PICUS time, co-pilot, dual, FI or FE;It is a requirement to record if you acted as an Instructor but not what instruction was given, nor to whom.

Of course these details can be recorded if wished and may be useful in the future: ie Wanting to work for a new school and showing the breadth of personal instructional experience.

How do you prove its flight instruction if it does not contain relevant details including the studen's name?(a) A student having lost their records: Other means of ascertaining this.

(b) An Instructor wishing to prove their experience (eg as one of the Revalidation requirements): Taken on trust as not really possible to prove (just like an SEP Holder wanting to Revalidate 'By Experience').

[BillieBob]

In the UK, the relevance of AMC1 FCL.050 is limited. The regulation reads:

The pilot shall keep a reliable record of the details of all flights flown in a form and manner established by the competent authority.The form and manner established by the UK CAA is described in Article 79 of the ANO and this is the only legal requirement.

[n.dave]

A lot of good stuff here guys:ok:

This is how i do it now. Under remarks i put down the student name and what sort of exercise is taken.

Who log takeoffs and landings.
i don't see a point whether who log down landings or takeoffs. Because, the student is being observed in those (all) phase of flight during dual Training and i believe it should be logged in both the instructor's and student's logbook of total no. landings for that flight. If the student was in solo flight, yeah, then off course he did the landings himself. But, in dual flight the student may land the ac perfectly without instructors touching the controls, however this could be the case of the presence of an instructor sat next to him giving him some sort of mental boost.

I expect my simple question with a simple sense of answer here. Getting a tad bit ott, but all good though:D

[Whopity]

Ultimately, it's all down to the logbook being*personal* isn't it - record what matters for you.That says it all, the legal requiremernts are straightforward and nothing else can be required but, I have often found student details useful, long after you have forgotten about them.

[Duchess_Driver]

On two occasions recently I have been contacted by ex-students who for whatever reason were having difficulty piecing together their training history. On both, I was able to filter by student name to produce an accurate copy of the flying, exercises, landings and nav routes appropriate.

All part of the service!

I do, however, double record in a paper log and on a spreadsheet style system that allows me to 'slice and dice' information dependant upon which requirements are needed by that competent authority (FAA/EASA).