Flying Single Engine IFR with a ME/IR?

[EchoSierra]

Hi, I've searched for this and can't find much in the way of a definitive answer, so any help appreciated.

Hypothetical situation: Pilot x has a f/ATPL with MEIR, and wants to fly an IFR capable single under IFR, routing via airways with a SID/STAR with B-RNAV etc etc - is this legal, or would this pilot have to undertake a conversion to have SEIR added to his/her licence?

[Jwscud]

MEIR(SPA) automatically gives SE privileges. CAP 804 Section 4 Part L p45.

A bugger to find I know!

[EchoSierra]

Thanks, checked CAP804 and found it!

[Edgington]

MEIR(SPA) automatically gives SE privileges. CAP 804 Section 4 Part L p45.

A bugger to find I know!


Trying to find your reference but it is the test schedule for Helicopters?

I do know that the old JAA license did allow SE IFR on a MEIR rating, but according to Part-FCL they are now two different rating and skill tests.

[Jwscud]

CAP 804 Appendix 8 to Part FCL. Page 411 in the pdf I have. The privilege is still there.

[ChickenHouse]

To my knowledge this issue is in discussion right now. There are EASA countries where the privileges are included and there are some denying it today. Brave New World and it is the usual :mad: suspects again ...

Isn't it time to finally grant country status to the EU and disable these short minded local hero butt-heads?

[nick14]

EASA legislation does not currently provide for SE privileges with a ME/IR as JAR-FCL did, a discussion I have had with my authority.

At present it is not clear how this is to be handled. I know the UK CAA has got round this by annotating the Rating as both SE and ME privileges. Others do not so the licence holders privileges are not 100% clear.

[XanderFly]

Negative. Appendix 8 is only applicable for revalidations, as mentioned in the introduction of the overview in cap and easa fcl. For a IR/SE a seperate skill test is needed on a SE airplane. After passing the skill test and doing a prof check (when revalidating the me-ir) on a multi, cross crediting is provided to a single engine. At least this is how The Netherlands is issueing the licence: only mep/ir/me.

[Edgington]

XanderFly, That what they telling me here in Holland as well. I can understand their reasoning. But my problem is I had a JAA license and the JAR-FCL specifically says that a ME-IR is also valid for SE. When they changed my license for a EASA one, I lost my SE-IR privileges which I don't believe is correct.

[Jwscud]

More genius from EASA :ugh:

[nick14]

It's perfectly correct according to the regulation as the sentence that specifically stated that ME privileges also gave SE has gone in the transition from JAR-FCL to Aircrew Regulation.

[Edgington]

It's perfectly correct according to the regulation as the sentence that specifically stated that ME privileges also gave SE has gone in the transition from JAR-FCL to Aircrew Regulation.

It would be true for new pilots who do the exams, for pilots who had a JAR-FCL license even if you had a SE-IR it would only say ME-IR on your license, because a ME-IR was also valid for SE-IR. So when they converted a license from JAA to EASA they can't just drop a rating you have legally obtained. Telling you to do a SE-IR course and a new exam, and for what? To obtain a rating that at that time was still valid for 9 months?

[nick14]

I wasn't saying it is a fair thing to have done but according to law it is correct. I lost my SE/IR privileges so I had to renew and now keep both current with a prof check on the MEP class.

[BEagle]

More genius from EASA :ugh:

Nope - it's just more bovine stupidity from the Netherlands CAA.

If a pilot has a single pilot ME IR, then those privileges may also be exercised on single engine aircraft, provided that the pilot holds a valid class/type rating for that aircraft. End of....

[XanderFly]

Please show me where it's stated, so I can convince the Dutch authorities :ugh:

[nick14]

Sorry but it is not stated anywhere in EASA legislation, the IAA have the same opinion.

I'm hoping they will add the sentence that was removed in the next update although I fear it will be missed again.

[XanderFly]

I know. It's easy to say that the privilige includes flying IFR on a SE, but the EASA treaty does not mention this under 'priviliges IR/ME'.

[denisgdm]

Any update on this topic ? I know French CAA (DGAC) does not gives IR-SE privilige when having IR-ME. They require a separated test.
What about IAA nowadays ?

[Ronaldsway Radar]

It obviously still depends on your NAA.

I had my EASA IR(A) issued by the UK CAA earlier this year after undertaking a CBIR (ME), and my licence states: 'IR-SP-ME class/SE'. Therefore mine does include SE IR privileges.

[denisgdm]

Quick update : IAA (Irish) does not gives IR-SE privilige when having IR-ME.

[India Four Two]

This is mind-boggling. SE instrument flying is easier than ME.

Unless an engine fails - then it’s quite different!

[rudestuff]

But to get an MEIR you have to show that you can fly IFR on one engine... Presumably if you do lose an engine they could prosecute for not having an SEIR?!