Church Fenton Fly in

[ak7274]

As rumoured there will be a fly in at Church Fenton on the 03/01/15.
The owner is hoping to remove the white crosses. Landing fee £10. Tea and Coffee available. NO I repeat No further info available at this time, so don't ask.
If anyone has any more "CONFIRMED" info please post it.
:ok:

[flybymike]

Great news. Hope to make it.
(Going to need a bit more info first though, contact phone numbers at least.)

[The B Word]

In my opinion you don't have to remove the Xs if you brief during the PPR that the runway is actually fit for use. This is what the X means:

A white mark in the shape of a St. Andrew’s Cross indicates that that portion of the runway up to the next standard marking is unfit for use by aircraft.

Anyone know any better?

[Helicopterdriverguy]

I'll be there.

[N707ZS]

Who is the new owner? Any idea what the plans are for the future? It has been mentioned elsewhere that houses were to be built, they could easily be built on the landside/accommodation area.

[ak7274]

I do know who the new owner is, but I was only able to pass on the fly in information.
The new owner is a pilot and intends to carry on flying. I would assume that as he is clearing the white crosses and having a fly in, he intends to keep the airfield open in some capacity.
As this is a rumour network, let's start off by telling you that a noise heard behind a hedge whispered that he may be starting a transatlantic passenger schedule in 1000 seat solar powered kitfoxes.

;)

[PENNINE BOY]

Church Fenton fly in:

10.00 to 16.00 Frequency 126.50

P.B.

[flybymike]

A/G, AFIS, or ATC?
PPR?
Contact phone number?

[ShyTorque]

A pilot owning a Tarmac airfield? I like the sound of that, very unusual in UK. They normally seem to be owned by people with a very different agenda.

[ericferret]

Strubby 700m tarmac owned by 6 pilots

[Rocket2]

Thruxton is another, thanks Henry :D

[3 Point]

Sadly I have to fly at work on 3 Jan otherwise I'd come. Just like to wish all who can go a great day out and best wishes to the owner for the future of his aerodrome.

Happy landings

3 Point

[cumulusrider]

Lasham is owned by the gliding club.

http://www.sugc.net/images/pages/club_where_lasham.jpg

[7of9]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7490/16096673785_5710bba96d_b.jpg (https://www.flickr.com/photos/102732752@N02/16096673785/)
image (https://www.flickr.com/photos/102732752@N02/16096673785/) by trevor-j-marshall (https://www.flickr.com/people/102732752@N02/), on Flickr

[thing]

Looks interesting, wonder if I can get an escape chit, wouldn't mind getting that in the logbook. The weather is looking to warm up considerably by next weekend as well.

[ETOPS]

Aahh so that's who it is :ok:

The other airfield he owns is at the farm in Garforth..

http://www.makins.co.uk/wp-content/themes/makins/images/Garforth2009.pdf

[Sir George Cayley]

Expect to see this at the Fly-in

Photograph of Aircraft G-SHAF (http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-SHAF&imgname=G-SHAF001&imgtype=jpg)

Best wishes for a great start to 2015

SGC

[thing]

What's the join? Everyone going for standard overhead?

[7of9]

Unless otherwise published I will join overhead at 1500 calling intentions on the Unicom channel then descend dead side as per standard procedure.
Going to assume circuit height will be 1000 QFE.

Hopefully someone on the radio will correct this or advice us on inbound call.

I aim to be there around 10.15am or thereabouts.

:ok:

[thing]

I'll be there around ten ish weather depending.

[Mariner9]

I'm hoping to make it up from Cardiff in my Pioneer. ETA around 11

[SunnyDayInWiltshire]

Wikipedia indicates 1,877 meters of tarmac on 24/06. Anyone know how much is useable on Saturday? Just wanted to check its not a 400m patch only :O

[airpolice]

Unless otherwise published I will join overhead at 1500 calling intentions on the Unicom channel then descend dead side as per standard procedure.
Going to assume circuit height will be 1000 QFE.

7of9, why not 2,000 feet for your OHJ?


Click here for the CAA Overhead Join Poster (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ga_srgwebStandardOverheadJoinPosterJan09.pdf)

Did you mean Safetycom? This is from CAP413.

Radiotelephony Reports at Unattended Aerodromes

Introduction

4.150 Where an aeronautical communications frequency is allocated for
use at a United Kingdom aerodrome, all RTF communications are to
be conducted on the allocated frequency. For licensed aerodromes,
allocated frequencies are promulgated in the UK AIP. A common
frequency (135.475 MHz) known as ‘SAFETYCOM’ is made available for
use at aerodromes where no other frequency is allocated (UK AIP GEN
3.4 refers) to enable pilots to broadcast their intentions to other aircraft
that may be operating on, or in the vicinity of, the aerodrome.

4.151 At some UK aerodromes, air traffic movements may occur outside
the promulgated hours of watch of Air Traffic Services (ATS). In order
to improve the safety of these aerodrome operations, pilots should
broadcast information on their intentions to other aircraft that may be
operating on, or in the vicinity, of the aerodrome.

4.152 The phraseology to be used at an unattended aerodrome, as described
in this section, is not to be used at aerodromes with ATS in attendance.
Where ATS is provided, the relevant ATS unit will issue appropriate
instructions.

4.153 All transmissions at unattended aerodromes shall be addressed to
‘(Aerodrome name) Traffic’. No reply to an unattended aerodrome report
shall be transmitted.

4.154 Pilot reports are described for a Standard Overhead Join. This procedure will allow pilots to determine the runway in use and to orientate
themselves with the circuit direction and other traffic. As specific joining and circuit procedures exist for some aerodromes, pilots should refer to
the UK AIP to establish the procedure to be followed.

4.155 Unattended aerodrome reports are made at the discretion of the pilot.
However, to ensure the traffic awareness of other pilots is correctly
maintained, if a pilot elects to make reports, all those reports not listed
as ‘optional’ should be included. Optional calls may be included if
additional traffic information is likely to assist traffic organisation or to
enhance safety.

4.156 Monitoring of unattended aerodrome reports is not a substitute for
visual observation and pilots must maintain traffic awareness and
lookout even when making such calls, as not all aircraft may be
monitoring radio broadcasts.

4.157 Transmission of unattended aerodrome reports does not confer any
right-of-way.

4.158 Pilots shall comply at all times with the Rules of the Air Regulations, in
particular the rules for avoiding aerial collisions.

Additional Procedures for the Use of SAFETYCOM

4.159 SAFETYCOM is not an Air Traffic Service and no aeronautical ground
station is associated with SAFETYCOM.

4.160 SAFETYCOM is a single common frequency and pilots should be aware
of the possibility of congestion and breakthrough. It is particularly
important when using SAFETYCOM that RTF transmissions identify the
aerodrome name (suffixed ‘traffic’) in order to indicate the relevance of
the report to other aircraft. Transmissions must be correct and concise.

4.161 SAFETYCOM transmissions shall only be made when aircraft are not
more than 2000 ft above aerodrome level, or not more than 1000 ft
above promulgated circuit height (if applicable) and within 10 NM of the
aerodrome of intended landing.

4.162 Where an aerodrome lies within controlled airspace, pilots are to call
the appropriate ATSU and ensure that they obtain clearance to enter the
airspace.

[7of9]

why not 2,000 feet for your OHJ?

Mistake on my part.

Yes meant Safteycom.

Sorry.

Nice people to pick up on this but no one else seemed to answer the questions.

1500 would have been the preferred height as not so much to burn off descending dead side.

Remains to be seen on the day what others do, as even when published information available for airfields, others seem to ignore them & do their own thing.
However as my mistakes have been pointed out, i will be doing as corrected above.

Thanks.
see you there.

[flyby22]

I am 100% sure it will be an overhead join at 1500 ft and normal info given on call up. we have marshellers on the ground to park all visitors

Hope for a fantastic turn out and good weather

[airpolice]

I wasn't having a go at you, 7of9, I just wanted to clarify the details, as it is important that everyone is doing the same thing, or at least letting the rest of the people know what's happening.

Let's hope that Sherburn are listening out as well.

[7of9]

I wasn't having a go at you, 7of9, I just wanted to clarify the details, as it is important that everyone is doing the same thing, or at least letting the rest of the people know what's happening.

Let's hope that Sherburn are listening out as well.

No Problem Airpolice. I didn't take offense.
I would rather someone corrected Me, than myself do something other than the published rules.

I posted before checking again, as its a long time since i had to use the CAA rules, as airfields i visit are usually in the Pooleys. Also seem to have their joining heights as 1500 feet, so was just going on what i thought was the "norm"

Next time i venture into unpublished territory i will take the time to check the CAA Guidelines.
Thanks.

see you there.

[sharpend]

Be advised up to17 aircraft from Turweston will be arriving about 11:30 ish, incl PitBull formation (3 Bulldogs) coming home!

[Helicopterdriverguy]

I'll be there about 1100 in G-BXJD P28A. Coming from Breighton, I'll just be joining live side for whatevers in use. If the radio is packed then i'll be on the SOJ, now that i'm getting more and more concerned about how busy its going to be and the kind of traffic that will be flying in!

See you guys there.

[thing]

All the way from Breighton? Are you planning a fuel stop?...:) Mind you, someone is bound to fly in from Sherburn.

[burylad]

Gyrocopter from temp base at Barton ETA 1030.
Slot system required soon !
Keen to log another landing at CF since full stop landing in Dec 86 :{

[Helicopterdriverguy]

Thing, with the way EASA is going, my 3 1/2 Hour fuel reserves might only just be legal :D

[DeepestSouth]

Sounds fantastic.:D:D:D it'll be just like the 70's when the place was (literally) buzzing with light aircraft. I remember a question in 'Air Clues' in about 1971. IIRC it was something like:

Q. 'What is brown and green, in Yorkshire, and dangerous?.

A. RAF Church Fenton, as it has 50 Chipmunks, many airborne at the same time and flown by student pilots.'

Not sure that the 50 is correct but there certainly were lots!

I hope that some kind aviator will post photos after the event!

DS

[thing]

Latest weather check, sunshine, a bit breezy but straight down the throat by the look of it.

[India Four Two]

Sorry guys, but a slight thread drift:

4.153 All transmissions at unattended aerodromes shall be addressed to
‘(Aerodrome name) Traffic’. No reply to an unattended aerodrome report
shall be transmitted.

No reply? Really? What are they thinking?

It is very common in Canada for another aircraft in the circuit or on the ground to reply to a "Traffic" call with information. Very useful and much safer.

Good luck with the fly-in.

[Flyingmac]

It is very common in Canada for another aircraft in the circuit or on the ground to reply to a "Traffic" call with information. Very useful and much safer.


Here too. Nothing more frustrating than another pilot not giving you a radio check because of 'Rules'.

[Helicopterdriverguy]

A new NOTAM has appeared on Skydemon. It details that i must fly to Selby first if coming from Breighton. I assume its purpose is to put aircraft away from the Sherburn ATZ while routing inbound but instead, completely defeats the object!

It does however list a contact number so if anybody needs to contact the organisers its there.

http://michaelatherton.me/notam.png

[sharpend]

Might all come to nothing as the weather looks pants. Hope the forecast changes!

[Helicopterdriverguy]

Might all come to nothing as the weather looks pants. Hope the forecast changes!

Funny you should say that. Direct from Mark Terry, the airfield manager.

Good afternoon all,
The forecast for Saturday is no good! It is, however, "meant" to be much better on Sunday the 4th January. Therefore, it has been decided to delay the fly-in by one day for the benefit of all.
All details and timings remain as for the 3rd. The two NOTAMS for the fly-in and the short display at 13.00hrs will be resubmitted for the 4th.
For planning please note the extract from the current NOTAM:
ACFT FLY-IN WI 5NM RADIUS OF PSN 535004N 0011143W (CHURCH FENTON
>> DISUSED AD) AIRCRAFT ARE TO REMAIN CLEAR OF SHERBURN (EGCJ) ATZ AND ROUTE TO CHURCH FENTON VIA ONE OF THE FOLLOWING VISUAL REFERENCE POINTS: WETHERBY RACE COURSE (53 56 00N 001 22 12W); GARFORTH MOTORWAY INTERCHANGE (53 48 36N 001 20 48W); SELBY(53 47 12N 001 03 48W) CTC 07450 461045 FOR INFO.
>> F) SFC G) 3000FT AMSL)
Please pass on these details to any interested parties. Should anyone require further information please email or call07450461045. Thank you very much
All the very best for the New Year
Mark Terry
Church Fenton Airfield Manager

[7of9]

That's me out! Haven't got an aircraft Sunday. It's booked out!

[Helicopterdriverguy]

Ill over on Sunday still. 11 AM :).

[piperboy84]

Think I may have some of this !

[fabs]

Fenton an airfield close to my heart! I hope it all works out, that place is just too good to whither away.
P.S. Anyone joining via Selby, keep your eyes peeled as Sherburn use it as a joining point as well, it's not one I'd have picked.
Hope the day is a good one though, I may take a trip over with my lad (driving unfortunately), I've worked on that tower on and off for 10 years.

[7of9]

Also beware that Burn gliding club will be active that day so give that a wide berth, it's just south west of Selby.
If you fly to the north of Selby you should miss it ok.:ok:

[ak7274]

This is interesting.

New owner of RAF Church Fenton plans commercial flying - and says 100 jobs should be created (From York Press) (http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11698642.New_owner_of_RAF_Church_Fenton_plans_commercial_fly ing___and_says_100_jobs_should_be_created/)

[Johnm]

Let's hope that Mr Makin consults with the team at Gloucester and with AOPA and doesn't start breeding white elephants, GOOD LUCK TO HIM

[thing]

Me out too, wife's birthday on Sunday, don't think she will be impressed if I leg it.

[ak7274]

I'm absolutelý certain that Mr Makin, as a reasonaby wealthy businessman won't have spent oodles of dosh to breed White Elephants. However your words of encouragement will delight him I'm sure.
With all these other Airfields closing as though there were an epidemic, I am not certain AOPA would be much help.

[tmmorris]

I really hope this all works out for him. What a great start to 2015 if so - instead of losing another airfield, we 'gain' one for GA.

I'm worried it's too close to Sherburn, but I hope it can succeed.

[sharpend]

With the Fly-in changed to Sunday (due weather) it looks like the weather may still play a part... fog forecast in the south where many aeroplanes are coming from.

[kevkdg]

I wonder if it will be a new flying school or whether Sherburn Aero Club will move as I think they only rent Sherburn Airfield so are not tied down....

[thing]

But if they move won't they still be renting from the new owner of CF? There's a lot of engineering infrastructure at Sherburn, it's not just a case of flying the jets over the fence to CF. The Aero Club gear is serviced by Sherburn Engineering. It would make sense to me only if they are going to keep all of the runways at CF open as Sherburn just has the one hard.

Mind you, there may be stuff happening at Sherburn that we don't know about and Mr Makin does. Whatever I wish him all the best as anyone actually opening somewhere has to be applauded.

[flybymike]

My recollection is that Sherburn Aero club own the airfield and have always been very comfortably off thank you very much.

Of course, I may be wrong......

[ak7274]

It's on lease Mike

[IO550]

Anyone know if they want PPR or can we just pitch up and join the fun

[kevkdg]

My response from Chris Makin (airfield owner) when I enquired was as follows:


"No ppr , standard joining procedure"


There is a NOTAM stating:
REMAIN CLEAR OF SHERBURN ATZ
ROUTE TO CHURCH FENTON VIA ONE OF:
WETHERBY RACE COURSE
GARFORTH MOTORWAY INTERCHANGE
SELBY


Call 07450 461045 for more info

[kevkdg]

Can someone confirm the Ground frequency is only for use on the ground (talking to marshallers etc)?


I assume aircraft will be using Safetycom when arriving AND when departing.

[Helicopterdriverguy]

The radio seems to be poorly implemented. From what I understand, Fenton Radio for vacating, receiving the marshalers, and departures. Safety com for departing and arriving the runway, and the circuit.

[sharpend]

Weather still looking poor if you are departing south of Coventry.

[BobD]

Hoping to fly in from Gamston in our C-182Q. I'll be the one wearing the Harley-Davidson baseball cap. The nearest I have ever got to owning one !


Feel free to say hello :)

[Sleeve Wing]

Looking at the weather down south here. Not good and slow to clear with the fog lifting to low stratus forecast at the mo.
As the aeroplane is short of a few nav. aids at present and the need for a refuel going south, my window is taking on the shape of just a quick cuppa and back home again before dark. Might be too expensive !! Watch this space…………….. :hmm:

[sharpend]

I have scrubbed due fog in the south. Weather looks good north of the Humber though. Hope the new owners put it on again in the summer.

[Sleeve Wing]

With you, sharpend.
Fog still slow to clear, temps. still together and it's the freezing variety.

Hope Mr Makin opens up during the spring/summer when the days are longer. A lot of us trained up there or at Linton. It would be nice to see the places again before they suffer under the plough share. Have a good day, guys.

From way darn sarf……….. :ouch:

[coldair]

According to Flightradar24 a Cirrus has just landed and there are a couple of light aircraft heading in the general direction of Church Fenton.

Sadly it's still 10/10 here with freezing fog :-(

Later in the year with any luck ;-)


coldair

[PENNINE BOY]

Fantastic day with close to 200 movements! Was the Yorkshire equivalent of Oshkosh!
:D
P.B.

[Mariner9]

Shyte weather all day at Cardiff so Mrs M9 dragged me off shopping instead :mad:

[Sleeve Wing]

Congratulations, PENNINE BOY.

So glad that so many made it, although not many from further south than Leicester I would imagine.
Did the Turweston contingent get in ? Well done if they did.

Anyway, please let us know when you decide to have another fly-in up there.

Can't keep it all to yourself you know ! ;)

[7of9]

BBC News - Former North Yorkshire RAF base reopens as airport (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-30671756)

[horatio_b]

Hundreds of planes land at North Yorkshire airbase (From York Press) (http://m.yorkpress.co.uk/news/11701100.Hundreds_of_planes_land_at_North_Yorkshire_airbase/)

[kevkdg]

BBC iPlayer - Look North (Yorkshire) - 04/01/2015 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04vcg9t/look-north-yorkshire-04012015)


starts 2 mins 31 seconds into broadcast

[David Thompson]

Being a non-aviating aviation enthusiast I drove down to Church Fenton this morning and had a cracking day with a reported near 200 aircraft movements and on a nice crisp winters day although sheet black ice on the flight-line made staying upright a challenge !

Things seemed to be a bit manic at times with a seemingly crowded sky and the loss of radio cover for a short time probably didn't help although others can comment on that better than I ? Most of the visiting owners I spoke to came from the general Yorkshire area , others from Derbyshire , Lincolnshire and Northumberland and singularly , I think , from Liverpool , Woodvale and even Perth , Scotland , who may well be the furthest travelled on the day ? The flight-lines were very busy , the large ASP soon having two full rows of aircraft before overflowing to the 'spare' 16/34 runway . For the record the first aircraft in was Taylorcraft BC12D G-BTFK .

The new owners the Makin family were out in force and well done to them for not only saving the airfield but hopefully on today's evidence giving it a future too . :ok:

[David Thompson]

Another fly-in was planned to take place today , 2 January . I couldn't make it due to work but just wondered if given the recent flooding in that area and a poor weather forecast for today if it has gone ahead ? :confused:

[flybymike]

The last I heard it had been postponed until 10th January.

[ifonly]

Their Facebook page from the 30th December confirms it is now on the 10th January.

https://www.facebook.com/leedseastairport/

[David Thompson]

Thank you both . Let's hope for some good weather on the 10th . :)

[BobD]

Shame that it has been postponed again, until 31st January. Can't make it then

[David Thompson]

Not looking good again for the third attempt ?
I've emailed CF/Leeds East but no reply as yet . Does anyone know the 'word on the street' about the 31st still being on or off ?

[David Thompson]

From their Facebook page ;

Good Morning All, looking at the weather forecast this morning we are going to have to cancel the flyin again. We are very sorry to cancel but we want it to be a worthwhile and fun day for all...A new date will be set by the end of today.

[flybymike]

One wonders why they communicate via FB rather than the major flying forums.
Not all of us subscribe to face brag

[David Thompson]

Not all of us subscribe to face brag

Me neither , one of the locals sent me the gen ! :O

[David Thompson]

Again via Facebook ;

NEW FLY-IN DATE SATURDAY THE 19TH MARCH. Lets hope all the storms have dissapeared and the sun will be shinning. Thank you to everyone for being so understanding with the weather and look forward to seeing you all in March for a fun and safe fly-in.