getting turboprops to take off before 0600 at SYD

[FOOLHARDY]

this seems like a really good idea. Not sure why last thread was closed.


0600 must be a really busy time at SYD every morning.


By encouraging the turboprops that were scheduled to depart between say 0600 & 0700 to depart before curfew ends, would free up a lot of slots.


Really important on those bad weather days, when things get backed up & time doesn't get made up during the day & end of day flights might have to be cancelled.


Might be a stretch is flight was scheduled at 0700 but if it was scheduled at 0615, might be a huge time saving for those passengers.


Thomas Hardy






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"at SYD why don't regionals like Rex take off before 0600 ? They are not subject to curfew. Surely no slot issues to be concerned with, which must be hard to get at 0600.


There must be dozens of flights taking off & landing at SYD from 0600 - 0630, so the queue must be long.


As the big boys jets can't take off or land before 0600, even an 0550 departure would surely miss the queues, rather than schedule at 0600 but take off at 0615 or later.

BNE now has heaps of departures between 0500 & 0600 (to SYD, MEL & CBR to start with) thanks to daylight saving.

The big boys wouldn't schedule them departures at BNE before 0600, if people didn't book them


+ if they didn't use main terminals, there wouldn't be any security charges either. Think they could use FBO's, but then might be messy for connecting passengers."

[BNEA320]

A bank of tp s could take off before 0600 & even possibly lead to better aircraft utilization

[RVF750]

Great idea. Except the passengers don't want to have to get up earlier to fly on them. So they can all go empty on their first sectors and lose money and then their jobs. There's more to Business than just getting out of the way of more important jets.....

[TwoFiftyBelowTen]

Very few regional flights scheduled outbound just after 6am ..(any?). Most overnight at the outlying ports and head towards SYD from about 6:30am. The first outbound flights are usually these aircraft being turned around in SYD. Due to the restriction that pre-6am departures must use 16R irrespective of wind, too unreliable

[Geoff Fairless]

I also seem to recollect the Minister (not sure whether it was the current one or the last one) saying that the airlines would not be allowed to circumvent the curfew by replacing jets with turbo-props!

It was about the time Qantas was talking about the Q400 service direct to Gladstone from Sydney. (I've just checked the schedules to see when they depart and they are not listed - I guess people would rather travel on a jet!)

[NowThatsFunny]

I'd rather not get to work any earlier than I already do, just to fly a dozen people in the back, so y'all can join the cue that me and my tprop are in.:E

[Oktas8]

Who wants to arrive before 7:30am in Port Macq, or Dubbo, or Albury, or Orange?

No-one, I guess!

The big queues at Sydney that I see, relate to 7am departures. We could depart 10 minutes early to beat the rush, but it would have a disproportionate effect on mandatory rest periods pre-6am.

[Going Nowhere]

The big difference with BNE is that all the pre-6am Turboprop flights go to mining hubs. 95% of the pax on those flights are FIFO. SYD doesn't have that direct market.

Any FIFO traffic ex SYD at that time is on the 6am flight to PER/BNE to connect to their final destination.

[BNEA320]

Lots of REX flights ex SYD before 0700. Can a minister stop departures before 0600 ? Don't think so

[airdualbleedfault]

Funny that the curfew doesn't apply to bugsmashers, in a lot of cases they are noisier and the noise lasts for longer because a) they are so slow and b) they are generally lower due to lack of climb performance.

Now standing by for the barrage of " turbo props are just as fast as jets, blah blah blah etc etc etc "

[TwoFiftyBelowTen]

Yeah, it was a farce years ago when Queenairs were flying the night freight and were deemed to be acceptable during the curfew, but other types which could climb more rapidly were not

[onehitwonder]

Why are there no bug smashers in YSSY, no AVGAS anymore

[Borram]

It's quite simple, legislation doesn't allow passenger carrying ops during curfew hours, except in limited cases. Ie 3 specific flights between 5 and 6am during non daylight saving period.
So all this Rex thread is a moot point.

[BNEA320]

jets like BAe146's & turboprops are NOT subject to curfew.

[thorn bird]

"Why are there no bug smashers in YSSY, no AVGAS anymore."

Because the landing fees cost more than the aircraft!!http://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Tubular Bells]

Again I have to agree that most Turbo prop destianations are timed to allow arrival at the destination for work. Most people start work at around 0830 business people anyway. Most sectors are maximum 90 minutes so work it out what is the point of leaving before 0600. Hence you get a peak period.
Now when they build a second airport at Badgerys then it will all change.