Simple question about training rules

[worrab]

In the UK and under EASA for PPL(A) SEP

Ab initio training must be carried out by an ATO in an aircraft that registered with (though not necessarily owned by) said ATO. Instruction must be carried out by an instructor attached to the ATO and records must be maintained by the ATO. Training is well prescribed and the CAA expect to see the (19?) standard exercises logged. The licence is awarded after successful completion of training, nine exams, suitable solo x-country and a flying test (+ form + fee).

Am I correct that:
i) Differences training (floppy prop, tailwheel) can be done by a freelance instructor in any suitable aircraft with the training signed off in the pilot's logbook and not recorded elsewhere. The nature and amount of training is not prescribed and the difference is awarded on the signature of a flying instructor. The CAA are not notified.

ii) Training for class ratings (TMG, banner towing, glider towing, glass cockpit, ME) must be completed and recorded under an ATO. There is a flight test and on successful completion the licence is amended by the CAA. The aircraft does not need to be registered with the ATO and other than the submitted form, details of the training do not need to be recorded. The training is not prescribed and the class rating is awarded on submission of the form and its fee to the CAA.

:ugh: (Still trying to understand IR(R) and IR practicalities).
W

[Gertrude the Wombat]

Glass cockpit for me was an instructor's signature in the log book. But of course the rules change every five minutes so that may no longer be true.

[Whopity]

i) Correct

ii) Incorrect, training for a Class rating, Towing Rating etc must be to an approved syllabus and records kept exactly as; per the PPL course. The aircraft must also be approved by the HT.

[worrab]

Thanks Whopity

must be to an approved syllabus

Are you able to point me at the syllabus? I had thought the information would be in Part-FCL-725 but I can't see anything relevant (in this instance to TMG).

approved by the HT

Sorry for my ignorance, but what's HT?

[Level Attitude]

but what's HT?I would suggest HT = HofT = Head of Training

Training only needs to be carried out at an ATO if it is towards Initial Issue or Renewal of a Rating.

[Whopity]

Are you able to point me at the syllabus?AMC1 FCL.725(a) Requirements for the issue of class and type ratings SYLLABUS OF THEORETICAL KNOWLEDGE FOR CLASS OR TYPE RATINGS
I. SE AND ME AEROPLANES There is an absence of materail on the flying side so you can cobble together the relevant bits from the PPL syllabus.

GM1 FCL.010 Definitions - HT Head of Training

[worrab]

Thank you - that's great.

cobble together

Is that EASA-speak? ;)

[ChickenHouse]

Uff, it depends.

The easiest way to look at it is:
for i) difference training, you need FI - a FlightInstructor of any kind and get scribbles in your personal flight book;
for ii) class rating & co it depends, usually you need FE - a FlightExaminer, not necessarily connected to an ATO, and this one can sign into your license with a notice letter to CAA. You can exchange FE by FI-at-an-ATO for such case, but then you have to get a new license from authorities, as under EASA FI is no longer allowed to scribble in your license.

In both cases the plane can be any having the trained specs, BUT - the usual problem is insurance coverage of the plane, not certification: if you take an FE to train something you don't have the license to do, the FE is PIC and the insurance of the plane has to cover that. I remember the CVFR additional training to convert ICAO to PartFCL, where this was a problem due to the fact that most owners had only limited liability on their planes.