Iphone OS upgrade

[mad_jock]

just been asked by a work colleague.

How do you upgrade an IPhone which only has 5gb when it says it needs 4.7gb of storage to do it?

And I might add I have just blocked our apple network from the download due to 8 Ipads on the network which are currently trying to do the same thing.

They are now hanging off a hot spot downloading there 1.8Gb each extremely slowly. Well it went from 18 hours on ours to 48hous on the hotspot.

[Old Speckled Aircrew]

iOS 8 ?Update Cannot be Installed Because it Requires GB of Storage?? Here?s How To Install It Anyway | OSXDaily (http://osxdaily.com/2014/09/17/ios-8-cannot-install-requires-storage-fix/)

I used this guide and did it through itunes with no problems

[Keef]

I looked at the (notalotof) spare space on my two iThings, looked at the added space it occupies, and decided I don't need it anyway.

[Ancient Observer]

If you attach your i-whatever to a pc/mac with up to date itunes on it, much less space is required. Do the whole update via itunes.
As my i-whatever has too little space, due to family & holiday piccies I have no choice.

[mixture]

They are now hanging off a hot spot downloading there 1.8Gb each extremely slowly. Well it went from 18 hours on ours to 48hous on the hotspot.

As Old Speckled Aircrew said, use iTunes.

iTunes simply does a backup/restore and images the new iOS 8 into the phone.

I looked at the (notalotof) spare space on my two iThings, looked at the added space it occupies, and decided I don't need it anyway.

You took the wrong approach.

It overwrites the old operating system, therefore the space question is irrelevant !

The space question only applies if you're doing a live upgrade instead of via iTunes.

[Ancient Observer]

Any particular reason?

[mixture]

Forget IOS 8 for a while.

Why ? Sounds awfully like someone has an unnecessary chip on their shoulder...

I've upgraded to iOS 8, no issues and am enjoying the new functionality.... there's lots of great stuff in there !

Third-party swipe keyboards are also quite fun ! Although the new standard built-in Apple QuickType keyboard with enhanced predictive text is likely to be good enough for me....

[Old Speckled Aircrew]

Works perfectly well on my 4s

[Keef]

You took the wrong approach.

It overwrites the old operating system, therefore the space question is irrelevant !

The space question only applies if you're doing a live upgrade instead of via iTunes.

The review I read (only one of many, I grant you) said the operating system for iOS8 is significantly larger than iOS7. My iThings are over 90% full of apps, music, stuff, etc. I've had the "not enough space" thing in the past, and a right pain it was. I don't need to go there.

[Booglebox]

And I might add I have just blocked our apple network from the download due to 8 Ipads on the network which are currently trying to do the same thing.

Stick a Mac Mini in your rack and install OS X server with Caching Server. It's like WSUS but for iThing updates and, if you deploy them with a profile, apps. :cool:

[mixture]

said the operating system for iOS8 is significantly larger than iOS7

Ahem, cough....


http://s7.postimg.org/ilikjpjff/ios_comp.jpg



I rest my case. :ugh:

[mad_jock]

I don't have any resources for that booglebox.

They are lucky they get to attach to the network anyway. Its not core business them being attached so they are suffered more than supported.

[Keef]

I think that artwork from mixture says iOS7 is 1.32GB and iOS8 is 1.78GB.

That's best part of half a gigabyte more, which I can't afford unless I lose some apps, some music, or some "stuff". I'll stay with iOS7, which does all I need it to.

[Booglebox]

MJ: clearly you haven't read enough tales of the Bastard Operator from Hell... The solution is obvious.
1. Allow iPads to update to iOS 8, one at a time (explain it's because of solar flares or something)
2. Your network is slow the whole day
3. Boss's viewing of fantasy football team / online poker / pornography / youtubes of cats / world of warcraft is seriously disrupted
4. Boss comes running up, winded and sweating by the 7-yard sprint from his office: "Why is my network so slow?" MJ: "because we don't have an $800 Mac Mini running Caching Server to update the stupid iThings"
5. Close your eyes to protect them while boss shoves money in your face.
6. Take $200 and get a second-hand Mac Mini from eBay. Then go to the casino and put the rest on black. :E

[mad_jock]

His reaction would be to ban personal smart devices from the office and only allow company hardware.

I suffer the bloody things as it is, both apple and android.

[Background Noise]

Works perfectly well on my 4s

There are some features which need newer hardware. Airdrop needs at least a 5 and Apple Pay may well need a 6.

[reynoldsno1]

Charlie Brooker knows what's what ....

The past few weeks haven’t been great for Apple. First they were implicated in the stolen celebrity nude photo disaster, which reminded everybody how easily clouds leak. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think the iPhone is generally marketed as a diabolical timewasting device with the potential to wreak a grotesque and devastating invasion of your personal privacy. They tend to focus more on all the cool colours it comes in.
Then they launched the horrible-looking Apple Watch, which does everything an iPhone can do, but more expensively and pointlessly, and on a slightly different part of your body. Only an unhealthily devoted Apple fanatic could bear to wear an Apple Watch, and even that poor notional idiot would have to keep putting their iPhone down in order to operate the damn thing. It’ll scarcely be used for telling the time, just as the iPhone is scarcely used for making calls. It’s not a watch. It’s a gaudy wristband aimed at raising awareness of Chinese factory conditions. Or a handy visual tag that helps con artists instantly identify gullible rich idiots in a crowd.
Apple also unveiled the all-new bigger iPhone 6, and the all-new even bigger-than-that iPhone 6 Plus, which is the size of the Isle of Man and aimed at people who literally have deep pockets. By releasing two differently sized rectangles, which in turn differ from its previous range of differently sized rectangles, Apple has selfishly exhausted the global supply of differently sized rectangles. From now on, all rectangles, no matter what context they appear in, will have to be the same size. Wars will be fought to decide which dimension becomes the standard. And when mankind finally settles on a compromise, Apple is going to start on ovals.
As part of the iPhone 6 publicity blitz, Tim Cook also announced every iTunes user in the world would be getting U2’s new album free of charge. It was downloaded automatically on to millions of users’ phones, like a sinister virus. Music is meant to be catchy – but not until you’ve heard it. The album, which I haven’t listened to yet, is terrible: even worse than their last one, which I didn’t listen to either. I don’t want to listen to any U2 albums in case I discover I like them, and have to violently reassess my own self-image. For the past five years, it’s been delightfully easy to ignore U2. Then Apple comes along and slings them under your nose like a bowl of bum soup you didn’t order. What do we have to do? Start lobbying Google for U2’s right to be forgotten?

Still: new watches, new rectangles, new music – these needn’t really affect you if you don’t want them to. But the other new development – the launch of iOS 8 – is impossible for iPhone users to ignore. It’s curious that we, the users, are supposed to look as if we are eagerly anticipating these operating system updates – a load of digital dogwork Apple nonchalantly drop into our laps on a regular basis.
Updates are awful. All you want to do is watch TV and rot in your own filth. Instead you spend the evening backing up your phone, downloading a gigantic file and sitting around while your phone undergoes an intense psychological makeover, at the end of which it may or may not function. Often, it takes an hour or more. Fiddly, time-consuming admin – it’s like having to change the water in a fish tank. I can’t be arsed: it’s why I don’t have an aquarium. I’d rather let the fish die.
But if I hold out, gradually nothing will work on my existing phone. They’ll freeze me out by degrees. Cut me out of the club. Plus I’ll miss out on great features such as slightly different icons and a terrifying new form of predictive text that precisely mimics the sensation of talking to an idiot who keeps finishing your sentences for you. (Either my thumbs have grown clumsier, or predictive text in general has grown a lot more aggressive recently. I can’t type anything without it continually popping up to blurt random words on my behalf – it’s like being in the Beastie Boys.)
Part of the problem is that smartphones are so horribly addictive, as moreish as smoking. The difference between smartphones and cigarettes is this: a cigarette robs 10 minutes from your lifespan, but at least has the decency to wait and withdraw all that time in bulk as you near the end of your life – whereas a smartphone steals your time in the present moment, by degrees. Five minutes here. Five minutes there. Then you look up and you’re 85 years old.
That little rectangular screen is so hypnotic, so omnipresent, I feel lost and sick the moment mine’s tied up doing something as uninterruptable as an update. While it sits there, blank, progress bar inching along at a snail’s pace, I glance at it nervously, like an owner watching his dog undergo an operation – not out of anything approaching sympathy, but the selfish concern that if it dies, I might not be able to check my email for five minutes. I suppose if I had an Apple Watch I could at least fiddle mindlessly with that instead while waiting for the phone to spring back into life. Come to think of it, that’s probably the Watch’s sole purpose. They should market it that way. Big winner.

Guardian UK

[mixture]

Charlie Brooker knows what's what ....

Not really, just a typical Guardian journalist having a rant about something he knows nothing about but writing in a style that his readers will like ....

[mad_jock]

Where as you do know what your talking about most of the time but have an utterly ****e way of putting it across.

Hence more people will listen to the daft journo.

[Ant T]

Does anyone know how to stop iPad/iPhone from auto-downloading IOS updates.
Spending some time in the Falklands, it is an issue, as our internet there costs close to £100 a month for a monthly limit of about 5 Gb. Over that limit costs up to 10p/Mb (depending on exact package) (yes - that is £100 per Gb :ooh:), so an unasked for surprise update when you are close to the monthly limit could be VERY expensive.

Have looked online but every reference I can find just says "that's the way it is, you can't stop it except by switching wi-FI off or loading your device close to full so that it doesn't have room for the download"

[KBPsen]

Apparently the latest iOS8 update has been recalled.

iOS 8 bugfest: Disappearing keyboard just one glitch of many, Apple yanks back update : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/16417/20140924/ios-8-bugfest-disappearing-keyboard-just-one-glitch-of-many-as-apple-pulls-back-update.htm)

[NRU74]

Has anyone with a 3G iPad/iPad mini post IOS 8 without a SIM Card in, managed to find a way to stop the 'no SIM Card installed ' caption appearing repeatedly ?
On IOS7 it appeared when the device was switched on and that was it - now it appears every few minutes (or so it appears).

[mixture]

NRU74,

Yes, its called Airplane Mode. :E

Apparently the latest iOS8 update has been recalled.

Oh do shut up with your incessant Apple bashing Ken ! :ugh:

iOS8 has not been recalled. There is no "bug-fest". There may be one or two bugs experienced by a minority of issues.... but the vast majority, myself included have had iOS8 on their phones with no issues.

[OFSO]

There may be one or two bugs experienced by a minority of issues.

Translation:

Stocks Plunge: Apple sinks 3.8% 25th September 2014
The stock market suffered its worse slide in nearly two months Thursday as the Blue Chip Dow industrial average ended down 265 points and Apple spearheaded a sharp drop in technology stocks. Thursday's drop was blamed on a growing backlash against problems consumers are reporting with Apple's latest software updates and new product launches. The value of Apple has sunk $23 billion since iPhone 6.

[mixture]

OFSO,

Just how little do you know about the stock market ? :rolleyes:

Look up "day trading", "leveraged short selling" and "algorithmic trading", and you will see why short-term prices on high-volume stocks such as Apple can occasionally whipsaw.

I can assure you that true investors and institutional investors will not have been part of the contributors to the small temporary decline. Apple remain a bullish stock....strong fundamentals, strong balance sheet, strong momentum, strong growth, reasonable value....

http://s28.postimg.org/uv5t9vcbh/kkehpk.png

.... the trend remains strong, as you can see we're still well above the trend line that started in 2013 ...

http://s28.postimg.org/5m2lx8dul/pfcoub.png

Recent short-term price movement coverage by moronic journalists doesn't change the underlying story which is as strong as ever.

The long term story will always win over the short-term noise, as you can see from the analyst recommendations, 33 "strong buy", 5 "buy", 10 "hold" and only 2 saying sell.

[superq7]

Since ios8 it's impossible to upload pics via Tinypic or similar sites, I'm sure Apple will fix the bug shortly but obviously their quality dept isn't up to scratch, poor show IMO considering the vast profits they make.

[gemma10]

Im a little perplexed, six weeks ago I bought a 5C after having endured an Android for years and in the settings it says the IOS8 has been downloaded, but not yet installed by myself. Do I go ahead and press the install or should I wait? Or does the download only affect the new 6? :confused:

[mixture]

Do I go ahead and press the install or should I wait? Or does the download only affect the new 6?

iOS8 works beautifully on the 5 series. So go for it and enjoy ! :ok:

[NRU74]

Yes, its called Airplane Mode. :EThanks mixture, [switching it off stops it as well] but I want to use wifi and the caption repeatedly interrupts usage.

[Keef]

I just backed up my iPhone, and it offered me iOS 8.0.2 (which I declined). Does that mean there have been two "fixes" since iOS8 was released, or is 8.0.2 the official "upgrade from 7" version?

[highflyer40]

the problem being that it won't belong until apps are upgraded and require ios 8 to work. at that point I you haven't updated or are unable your phone becomes a paper weight.

[mixture]

Thanks mixture, [switching it off stops it as well] but I want to use wifi and the caption repeatedly interrupts usage.

Can't you turn on Airplane Mode and then turn on WiFi ?

Certainly seems possible on my iPhone.....

http://s27.postimg.org/6pr4unq2r/PR_AMODE.png

[ShyTorque]

I "upgraded" to version 8 on my 5C. Ever since that was done I've been busy re-installing all my contacts. It somehow dumped the lot except five random ones, none of which are ones I've used recently.

[mixture]

I just backed up my iPhone, and it offered me iOS 8.0.2 (which I declined). Does that mean there have been two "fixes" since iOS8 was released, or is 8.0.2 the official "upgrade from 7" version?


8.0.2 is basically a roll-up patch consisting of 8.0.1 plus a new software updates (mostly) targeted at iPhone 6 users. Basically 8.0.2 replaces 8.0.1.

However I would still install on older iPhones if it is offered to you. There is no reason to decline it !

I "upgraded" to version 8 on my 5C. Ever since that was done I've been busy re-installing all my contacts. It somehow dumped the lot except five random ones, none of which are ones I've used recently.

How did you upgrade ? "Over the air" on the device or via iTunes.

Did my upgrade via iTunes and had no such problems with contacts, all my contacts were intact.

[Keef]

Can't you turn on Airplane Mode and then turn on WiFi ?

A handy trick, mixture! Thank you!
I didn't know it would do that.

[BOAC]

Be aware that enabling wifi on an aircraft may well be in breach of the carrier's rules or national rules. Wifi is supposed to be OFF in airplane mode, the idea being to prevent any radiated signal from the phone.

[mixture]

Be aware that enabling wifi on an aircraft may well be in breach of the carrier's rules or national rules. Wifi is supposed to be OFF in airplane mode, the idea being to prevent any radiated signal from the phone.

By default it is. You have to manually go turn it on.

Don't know about their international flights because I've never taken one, but certainly on their domestics, AA over WiFi on most of their routes for those people who wish to pay extortionate rates for laggy satellite connections. :cool:

[BOAC]

"Be aware that enabling wifi"

[Booglebox]

iOS8 has not been recalled. There is no "bug-fest". There may be one or two bugs experienced by a minority of issues.... but the vast majority, myself included have had iOS8 on their phones with no issues.

Mixture, you are entirely wasted in your current career and you clearly have a bright future with Apple PR. :D

To be clear, the truth is that iPhone 6 / 6+ users got totally shafted (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6487?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US) by the 8.0.1 update (released by the Apple Maps guy (http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/09/25/apple-quality-control-manager-responsible-for-ios-801-also-tied-to-maps-app-debacle)) that left their phones nearly unusable. Luckily Apple reacted very quickly.

[Ancient Observer]

Seems all right on my ipad air and on swmbo's ipad 2.

It has slowed down my bt/yahoo mail when accessed via the internet*, but that's all. Otherwise it seems fine.

* I use outlook at home, so don't want the yahoo app.

[Saab Dastard]

Be aware that enabling wifi on an aircraft may well be in breach of the carrier's rules or national rules. Wifi is supposed to be OFF in airplane mode, the idea being to prevent any radiated signal from the phone.

Not for much longer, apparently:

BBC News - Airlines cleared for mobile phone use during flights (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29381193)

SD

[BOAC]

Indeed - it will eventually make "I'm on the train' sound good.

[NRU74]

A handy trick, mixture! Thank you!
I didn't know it would do thatMe neither !

Thanks very much mixture,it's cured the problem.

[superq7]

mixture's posts can come over as being rather blunt sometimes but he's helped me in the past and I'm really glad that he posts on this forum, he really does know his stuff, Stuart.

[mixture]

he really does know his stuff

Indeed. Thanks Stuart.

Rather blunt? The guy's got issues that's likely described in detail in DSM-5. Normal it isn't.

No, I do not "have issues", and quite honestly, personal attacks are uncalled for.

As I have said on here a million times.....

Pay me for my advice and you'll get nice friendly hand-holding waffle and a 20 page report afterwards.

Expect me to come on here, at my own initiative, unpaid ... the advice will be 100% technically accurate ... but I will get straight to the point with no waffle.

[maliyahsdad2]

Not a personal attack as no one mentioned but if the cap fits........

Its not all about you. No one is expecting you to come on here, or any other thread where you are appear as an expert on all things, in your rude and brusque manner calling people morons or idiots.
I am sure there are many friendlier and just as helpful ppruners to fill the void.

[mixture]

Not a personal attack as no one mentioned

Oh come come, it was blatantly obvious who his attack was targeted at....

calling people morons or idiots.

For the record I didn't call anyone here that.

It was a generic term targeted at anyone who thinks its a wonderful idea to sit on their phone and then fail to comprehend why they've broken it through their own sheer stupidity and ignorance of fundamental physics.

[Saab Dastard]

Message to all - play the ball not the man, or be banned.

End of message.

SD

[superq7]

I've got a problem with my iPhone 6, when I try to sync it to my Mac laptop it says this phone needs the latest version of iTunes, obviously I have downloaded the latest version, when I try it with my other Apple devices it's fine, any ideas please, thanks Stuart.

[Ancient Observer]

Apple's name is now Verboten in the Ancient house. They have, without either consultation or information, removed the best bit of an iPad. So I am told.

Words like arrogant, thoughtless and useless are the mild ones. A quick google produces many many irate people.

Camera roll has been killed off by the goons that do software. I bet none of them were female and that none of them ever left California, not even to go to Austin.

Camera roll was the essential method for global families and friends to stay in touch. I am told.

[mixture]

I've got a problem with my iPhone 6, when I try to sync it to my Mac laptop it says this phone needs the latest version of iTunes, obviously I have downloaded the latest version, when I try it with my other Apple devices it's fine, any ideas please, thanks

Hi Stuart,

Is your iPhone 6 updated to 8.0.2 ?

[superq7]

Yes Mix it's updated to iOS 8.02.

[mixture]

Hi Stuart,

Ok, will do some digging around and see if I can come up with some ideas.

[superq7]

Thanks very much Mix.

[mixture]

Couple of things....

- Could you confirm the version of iTunes (iTunes menu -> about)

- If you go to Applications -> Utilities -> Console, does anything of interest pop-up when you plug in your phone and/or try to connect it to iTunes ?

[superq7]

I'll try that Mix and let you know tomorrow, thanks very much regards Stuart.

[superq7]

Hi Mix, I've taken screen shots, this one shows Applications > Utulities > Console.


http://i62.tinypic.com/30l2qlh.jpg

[superq7]

This is the version of iTunes


http://i59.tinypic.com/14ky1x3.jpg

[superq7]

And finally this is what appears when I try to sync my iphone to the Applemac laptop, regards Stu.

http://i57.tinypic.com/2jfnl1k.jpg

[mixture]

Thanks Stuart, will take a look.

For future reference though, you may find the built-in screenshot capabilities a bit less hassle....

Summary from wikipedia.....

Command-Shift-3: Take a screenshot of the screen, and save it as a file on the desktop
Command-Shift-4, then select an area: Take a screenshot of an area and save it as a file on the desktop
Command-Shift-4, then space, then click a window: Take a screenshot of a window and save it as a file on the desktop
Command-Control-Shift-3: Take a screenshot of the screen, and save it to the clipboard
Command-Control-Shift-4, then select an area: Take a screenshot of an area and save it to the clipboard
Command-Control-Shift-4, then space, then click a window: Take a screenshot of a window and save it to the clipboard

In Leopard and later, the following keys can be held down while selecting an area (via Command-Shift-4 or Command-Control-Shift-4):

Space, to lock the size of the selected region and instead move it when the mouse moves
Shift, to resize only one edge of the selected region
Option, to resize the selected region with its center as the anchor point

[FlightPilot]

Upgraded to the 8.0.2 on the 4S and I can say it's not that bad, not unless you have allot of media or memory near full. Keyboard has improved, lot of plus points including the self timer on the camera. Bad side? Performance; since hardware is still the same but overall, not bad. :)

[mixture]

Hi Stuart,

Your iTunes is showing 11.3.x ...current version is 11.4(18).

I suspect therefore that your Mac is pretty much giving you the genuine answer to the problem.

If you go into App Store on your mac (Applications -> App Store... or just click the logo on the dock), then go into updates. What shows there ?

The update window looks a little bit like this, although obviously it won't say "No Software Updates" if there are some !

http://s30.postimg.org/5xpme9u4x/Screen_Shot_2014_10_02_at_20_18_48.png

Keyboard has improved, lot of plus points including the self timer on the camera. Bad side? Performance; since hardware is still the same but overall, not bad.

Indeed, lots of good stuff in 8.

Performance is fine on the 5 series, it doesn't need a 6. Good to hear it works fine on the 4.

[superq7]

Hi Mix, I've finally got it sorted ! I went to iTunes software update and installed the update Bingo,

Thank you so much for your kind assistance Mix,

Regards Stuart.

[Ant T]

Well, IOS 8.1 now out, and I still have the same issue that I posted earlier -

Does anyone know how to stop iPad/iPhone from auto-downloading IOS updates.
Spending some time in the Falklands, it is an issue, as our internet there costs close to £100 a month for a monthly limit of about 5 Gb. Over that limit, it costs up to 10p/Mb (depending on exact package) (yes - that is £100 per Gb ), so an unasked for surprise update when you are close to the monthly limit could be VERY expensive.

Have looked online but every reference I can find just says "that's the way it is, you can't stop it except by switching wi-FI off or loading your device close to full so that it doesn't have room for the download"


I went to the Apple Store today and had a chat with one of their "Genius" advisers, but they said they cannot solve my problem, "we are just local technicians and don't have all the answers".......

So, does anyone here have any suggestions? I find it hard to believe that there is not a way to disable this function.

[ExXB]

I don't have iOS8 on my old iPhone but under

Settings --> iTunes & App Store --> (Scroll down) there are checkboxes for Automatic Downloads (on mine we have Music, Apps, Books, Updates).

I see that it refers to 'new purchases' but 'updates' aren't purchases ???

Perhaps this is gone in 8 ...

[Ant T]

Thanks ExXB, but unfortunately that is only for enabling or disabling automatic App updates, and definitely does not stop the problem of Apple Operating System updates.

I am coming to the conclusion that this is another case of "Apple knows best" and if there really is no solution, I will be moving away from Apple products to something that lets you have more control over how you choose to use your device.

[mixture]

I am coming to the conclusion that this is another case of "Apple knows best" and if there really is no solution, I will be moving away from Apple products to something that lets you have more control over how you choose to use your device.

Oh for heavens sake... just quit with the inane Apple bashing will you !

Apple have NEVER compelled anyone to perform software updates, it is ALWAYS up to YOU to apply any software update.

So please, stop spouting utter nonsense.

[Ant T]

I am sorry you see it as "inane Apple bashing".

I have not said at any time that Apple are compelling me to perform a software UPDATE.

I have said that they appear to be compelling me to perform a software DOWNLOAD which, if it comes in the last few days of any given month has the potential to cost me £400 (or at the beginning of a month to use up 80% of my monthly allowance). I am not making this up. In the Falklands there is only one internet provider. The internet all comes in by satellite and is very expensive. £100/month for 5 Gb. Over-use of your package limits cost 10p per Mb/£100 per Gb. iOS updates can be 1Gb per device, 2 phones/2ipads in our household, £400.

I am not trying to bash Apple, I am trying to find out if it is true that there is no way round this problem other than to change system, as Apple seem unable to come up with a solution - they just say "that's how it is, like it or lump it".
Does it seem reasonable to you that they should force Downloads, or have I got it wrong and do you know how to stop them.

[ExXB]

Ant T.

Been doing a bit of searching. It appears the only way a large download can be prevented is if you do not have enough memory on your phone/iPad to accommodate it.

So, as a workaround, you could load up your device with Tunes, Videos and Pictures.

Not satisfactory, I agree. Perhaps in a future update ...

If you want to provide feedback to Apple you can use : Apple - Feedback (http://www.apple.com/feedback/)

Don't expect an answer, but I have it on good authority that suggestions made here are considered.

Good Luck

[Ant T]

Thanks ExXB. That was what I had found as well online, and seems to be the only way round. I just found it hard to believe that it was really the only solution.
I have already left feedback - but as people seem to have been raising this issue with Apple for a number of years, I don't hold out much hope of a result.

[mixture]

I have said that they appear to be compelling me to perform a software DOWNLOAD which,

No they do NOT do force downloads either !! What weird settings are you using ?

Apple bashing in the extreme....I'm left wondering where you got your dud information from ! :ugh:

[Ancient Observer]

IOS 8.0.2 had made the piccies very, very, jerky in SWMBO's ipad 2. It had also deleted the Camera roll file, which was, apparently, essential to maintain contact with her globally distributed admirers. (Family).

8.1 being downloaded now. I wonder whether or not apple has listened to its community?

[Ant T]

No they do NOT do force downloads either !! What weird settings are you using ?

Apple bashing in the extreme....I'm left wondering where you got your dud information from !

I got my information from the Apple technical advisers in the Apple store in Aberdeen who said they knew of no way to stop the download happening automatically. And the evidence for the fact that the devices automatically downloaded the updates was by watching the screen as I plugged in the recharging lead, and seeing it immediately start the download with no input from me.

As ExXB said, in the settings, there are tick boxes for enabling automatic downloads, but these ONLY refer to App updates, not System updates.
A quick search on the internet will show that I am not imagining this, and that many people have the same issue. If you know a simple solution to the problem, please share it, but stop accusing me of "Apple bashing" - I am just trying to find a solution to a real problem.

[mixture]

From Apple:

You can turn Automatic Downloads on or off over your cellular network on an iPhone or iPad Wi-Fi + 3G. Go to Settings > Store and turn Cellular Data on or off. Cellular Data downloads are limited to a file size of 50 MB or smaller.



Therefore, as a system update is larger than 50MB, it means, as I originally indicated, it will not download over your mobile connection, irrespective of any settings.

This also explains why Apple only provide a means to only disable app update auto-downloads..... the auto-download of system updates is effectively disabled by default.

For the record I only accused you of "apple bashing" because of your last paragraph in your original post about "apple knows best" etc..... that sort of phrasing generally only comes from the bashing community.... but I'm happy to give you the benefit of the doubt that your post was written in frustration over a misguided concern ! Virtual handshake and move on ?

[rgbrock1]

Ancient wrote:

IOS 8.0.2 had made the piccies very, very, jerky in SWMBO's ipad 2. It had also deleted the Camera roll file, which was, apparently, essential to maintain contact with her globally distributed admirers. (Family).

8.1 being downloaded now. I wonder whether or not apple has listened to its community?

Camera roll has been restored in iOS 8.1 Go to the Photos app and at the bottom click on 'Albums'. You'll see its return there!

[Ant T]

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt, Mixture. Yes, the comment was written in frustration, but I'm afraid the concern was not misguided.

I am not talking about a mobile network, or cellular data here. I am talking about my home, hard-wired, internet service.

Not everywhere in the world has cheap, virtually unlimited, upload/download limits. The only internet connection into the Falklands is satellite, there is only one provider, no competition, and the 5Gb a month for £100 I am talking about is the ONLY internet available. So my comment stands, that if Apple really do not have a way to disable the automatic download for Operating System updates when connected to power and wifi then I will have to consider changing devices to something that gives you that control.

Update - To acknowledge some good customer service from Apple! The Aberdeen Apple Store manager just phoned me to follow up some feedback I had left. He confirmed that they do not know of any way to prevent the automatic downloads as described, but he is going to take it higher with Apple and see what he can find out, and has promised to get back to me.

[Ancient Observer]

rgb.
Yup.
As the so and sos distributed the old camera roll piccies all over the place , it is a pain that when they re-introduced it they couldn't be bothered to gather up the old ones and re-introduce them in to camera roll.
Having Aussie niece's new baby pics in the album on Rembrandt is not too clever.
And the hols in Cambodia/Vietnam are not much helped by the pics of another new brat in Tx.

The other features of 8.1 are not very relevant for an old wi-fi only ipad.

[mixture]

Ant T,

Well, I think even you have to admit you are a bit of an "edge case" then !

I don't think you can entirely blame Apple for the current configuration.

In its present state, 99.9999% of Apple users will be protected from expensive downloads because, as you yourself state, the only thing most of the world has to worry about is being charged for data over the mobile networks.

The problem with software development (at ANY manufacturer) is that its an expensive process... coding is expensive, QA is expensive, maintenance is expensive.... you therefore have to code in a style that will satisfy the majority of your users.

In ANY software development project, there will always be unforeseen "edge cases" .... when these are brought to light by the few affected users, then these are generally fixed by the manufacturer in due course.... and I hope this ends up being the case with you and Apple, although don't expect overnight results because in ANY software development workplace you have to prioritise jobs.

Believe me, I know what it's like to be an "edge case", I've found myself in one of those rare positions (because they are RARE) with other manufacturers of much more complex equipment than a simple telephone.... all it demands is patience... all manufacturers want happy customers, if its fixable without spending more man-power on it than reflects the number of users affected, then they will do so....

If, on the other hand, you feel you would be better off without Apple, then fine.... but then please don't make a song and dance of it and blame Apple for your woes given the "edge case" scenario in which you unfortunately find yourself.

I will post an "enhancement request" for you on Apple's developer systems so that at least you have another channel making Apple aware of it as well as your local store manager.

[highflyer40]

I have never had a software update do it automatically, over 3G or wifi I have always had to click to accept, and definately click to accept new terms and conditions before the update would commence, so not sure I get the problem of updates behind your back.

[Ant T]

Thanks for your interest and offer to highlight the problem through other channels, Mixture. I appreciate that I might be an "edge" case, but by the look of various discussions online, I am far from the only one with the problem.
For now, I will try one of the two "work-rounds" that I have seen suggested, either making sure wifi is off any time I have it connected to mains power, or loading the devices so full that there is no room for the download.


(highflyer - if you read the previous posts, my problem is not with Updates, but with Update DOWNLOADS)

[Keef]

I don't have the problem!

I kept my iThings on iOS7, for a variety of reasons (mostly to do with a need to run a couple of software items that Apple doesn't approve of). That seems to have been a good decision, based on the reports and complaints from friends who've moved to iOS8.

However, the App Store "Update" function no longer works with anything as old as the v 7.0.4 that I have. The only disadvantage is the steadily increasing red number against the App Store on the face of the device.

Once every couple of weeks, I connect to iTunes and update the apps I reckon I need to update.

[highflyer40]

ya I did read it correctly. I have never had my iphone download an update without first asking if I accept the terms and conditions. just saying what I have experienced.