EASA-registered aircraft - does it exist?

[hegemon88]

Hi All,

I am about to close the deal and ferry a PA28 to the UK from a nearby EASA country. I have just been told by my CAMO chief that I cannot fly it after it lands on the British soil and before it is G-registered, as I haven't got the other country's licence. Does that make any sense now that we are all part of one big EASA-land? My PPL is EASA-issued, the CAA just supplied the printer and paper :E I also thought that the aircraft registered as PH-, F-, EC-, SP-, you name it, are EASA-registered and hence the country of licence issue and the country of registration are the same. Am I wrong?

Does it change anything if I rephrase the question and ask whether I can rent out (or form a non-equity group around) the EASA-but-not-UK registered aircraft based in the UK? Or receive advanced instruction?

Bookworms and experts, please help!



/h88

[bookworm]

Does that make any sense now that we are all part of one big EASA-land?

No. It's difficult to be 100% sure without seeing the advice you were given, but an EASA Part-FCL licence issued by the UK must be accepted by any other EASA member state for flight in a (non-Annex II) aircraft on their register.

I also thought that the aircraft registered as PH-, F-, EC-, SP-, you name it, are EASA-registered and hence the country of licence issue and the country of registration are the same. Am I wrong?

Technically, yes, you are wrong. There is no such thing as an EASA registered aircraft (though the A-NPA on revision of the BR consults on that). The states retain their ICAO responsibilities as states of registration and states of licence issue. But they are obliged to recognise each other's certificates.

Bookworms and experts, please help!

Are you implying that bookworms are not experts?! :)

[vandereydt]

so if I get this wright
If I buy a plane which is registered in the Netherlans PH - *** I will need to transfer it (in y case Belgium) to the Belgian registry ?
I must say i find this strange, there s lots of foreign registered planes flying around in Belgium.


To take this matter one step further, I have a N-PPL can I fly other than N registered planes ? In Europe ? Using this specific N-licence


Why why why


Regards
Ronny

[S-Works]

No yo don't need to transfer a CofA aircraft to your national register. I fly commercially another EASA states aircraft that are maintained in the UK by our own organisation.

I can't see why you would particularly want to switch to the G reg unless its cheaper.

The NPPL is a different issue. Its a UK national licence and is sub ICAO therefore only valid on UK registered aircraft. As far as flying an N Reg on an NPPL I would really like to see that actually proven legally.

[Mach Jump]

Hi Bose

I have a N-PPL

I think he meant an FAA PPL.

The NPPL is a different issue.

Although I don't have the FARs immediately to hand, I dont think they mention ICAO in this respect. Just a requirement for a valid Licence issued by the country over which you are flying.


MJ:ok:

[dubbleyew eight]

Just a requirement for a valid Licence issued by the country over which you are flying.

surely this quote is incomplete.

more likely ...a valid licence recognised by the country over which you are flying.

[Mach Jump]

surely this quote is incomplete.

It wasn't a quote.


MJ:ok:

[BillieBob]

more likely ...a valid licence recognised by the country over which you are flying.No. MJ was perfectly correct - the exact wording is, "a current pilot license issued by the country in which the aircraft is operated may be used". In other words, to operate a US-registered aircraft in the UK, the pilot must hold either an FAA licence or a UK issued licence. An EASA licence issued in any other EU member state will not do.

However, returning to the OP, the statement in question is nonsense. An EASA licence issued in any member state allows the holder to fly an EASA aircraft registered in any EU member state in any (other) EU member state. My local club has been operating an EC registered C172 for ages, both for training and SFH, with no issues at all.