Number of cadet pilots?

[1nfinityAndBeyond]

Hi.


There's a lot of sources out there detailing the anticipated (shortfall) of pilots in the future. Does anyone know how I can determine the number of cadet pilots in training at the moment (at ATP(L) level, EASA/JAR/FAA, etc.)?


As a starter, I've been looking at the UK CAA website. They state that they issued about 3000 'professional' (i.e. ATPL (A/H)) licenses in 2012-2013. I'm not sure if this reflects the fact that there were 3000 pilots who finished there training in this period.


Thanks.

[BigEndBob]

Be suprised at that figure.
More like 1000 Prof and 2000 private.

[1nfinityAndBeyond]

That's what it said:


http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/175/20140228PilotsLicensingTransactions20122013.pdf


Maybe that includes ATPLf to ATPL? Don't know ....

[Whopity]

What do you mean by Cadet Pilots? That is a title normally associated with students on an Integrated Course. They will graduate with a CPL/IR so if you look at the stats you have posted you can see that there was a total of 1152 CPLs issued. Now look at the number of IRs issued, its only 158 this is a very low number and may indicate that the stats don't differentiate between the issue of a CPL and a CPL/IR when issued together. As a fair proportion of the CPL issues will be Modular rather than Integrated, 500-600 may be a realistic figure based upon the information given.

[1nfinityAndBeyond]

Thanks Whopity. By cadet pilots, I meant the total number of pilots studying for ATPL or CPL.

[Big Pistons Forever]

They will graduate with a CPL/IR so if you look at the stats you have posted you can see that there was a total of 1152 CPLs issued. .


1152 wannabe's in one year.....WOW. How many did the airlines hire that year two or three hundred ? That means close to a thousand with 100 K + of debt and no job; and completing with the 1200 from the next year etc etc :ugh:

What a truly screwed up situation :{

[BigEndBob]

So cpl/easa cpl 1200.
ATPL will be unfrozen cpl.
1600 ppl.
All fixed wing.

[Whopity]

1600 ppl.About 1/3 of the numbers in 1995 Less than 3 per RF, hardly worth becoming an ATO!

[mad_jock]

quite a few of those PPL's will be modular commercial pilots.

Is there any link to the number of nppl's etc being issued?

[Whopity]

Is there any link to the number of nppl's etc being issued?Same page (Is there any link to the number of nppl's etc being issued?) NPPL issues 591, but most will be Microlight, I am not sure what the 113 shown in the A/C column are, may be SSEA/TMG.

[Parson]

Was reading an arcticle in Pilot or Flyer recently by a respected columnist (Nick Bloom or Bob Grinstead, maybe?) who had been visiting GA airfields and writing up reviews.

He commented that nearly every young person that he encountered who was working towards a PPL wanted to be an airline pilot so very difficult to quantify the number of 'cadets' out there, be they formally under training or slowly working up the modular route.

[MCDU2]

The CAA stats have always been "vague" at best. Nothing that a detailed Freedom of Information request wouldnt sort out.

[mad_jock]

MCDU2 its been tried in the past and they block it saying its commercially sensitive information. Or they say that the computers can't provide the information.

They will not release easily interpreted information about how many pilots start training to then drop out or for that matter complete and then never get a first multicrew type rating.

[Jwscud]

BGS I recall have provided some indicative statistics for the modular route in the past - I can't remember the numbers but they had a fairly stable drop-out rate of those who signed up for the course but didn't complete the exams.

On an entirely anecdotal basis, for modular cadets of my acquaintance it seems to be something like 1 in 3 of those who complete manage to get jobs. The second IR renewal seems to be where a lot of people give up. Almost all I can think of who are employed managed to get a job within the first 2 years.