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Kulverstukas
11th May 2014, 15:02
http://aviation-safety.net: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnWv7-wCAAE6pcd.jpg)
An IRS Airlines Fokker F100, operating on a post C-check ferry flight from Bratislava sustained substantial damage during a forced landing in the Ganla area in Niger.
The two pilots onboard survived, injuries undisclosed.
The airplane right hand main landing gear and nose gear collapsed during the landing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnWv7-wCAAE6pcd.jpg

What's "forced landing" mean?

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The Ancient Geek
11th May 2014, 15:07
A forced landing generally means that they had no option but to land immediately.
This maybe implies that both engines quit and they had to find somewhere comfortable to hit the ground. Out of fuel ?

Kulverstukas
11th May 2014, 15:14
"...operating on a post C-check ferry flight from Bratislava..." to owner I believe? Without fuel?

andrasz
11th May 2014, 15:45
T/R deployed on starboard engine, that would seem to imply it was still operating... but it certainly does appear they wanted to get down in a hurry.
Second F100 mishap in one day.

Kulverstukas
11th May 2014, 16:02
This seems more informative:

An IRS Airlines Fokker 100, registration 5N-SIK performing a positioning flight from Bratislava (Slovakia) to Kano (Nigeria) with 2 crew, was enroute near GANLA waypoint (Niger) when radio and radar contact was lost with the aircraft. A short time later the first officer of the flight tweeted: "still alive boss" and posted a photo of the aircraft, that came to a stop without gear (unclear whether a belly landing was attempted or whether the gear collapsed on landing).

Nigeria's Civil Aviation Authorities confirmed the aircraft lost radio contact at about 20:00L (19:00Z) when enroute near Ganla (Niger), Niamey Airport was informed and ready for a possible emergency landing.

GANLA waypoint is located at N13.7514 E8.3294 (Niger) about 104nm north of Kano (Nigeria).

The location of the emergency landing is still unknown at this time except for being within the borders of Niger, neighbour country of Nigeria.

5N-SIK had been in Slovakia for a C-Check following a hydraulics problem which prompted Niger's Civil Aviation Authority to ground the airline in October 2013 as the airline no longer had a minimum of two serviceable aircraft. The return of 5N-SIK was eagerly awaited by the airline to be able to resume service.

© AvHerald

Jumbo744
11th May 2014, 16:12
I fly over Ganla Waypoint everyday...did that happen yesterday? there was quite some weather in the area which made us cancel our flight.

GANLA is 10 minutes from Zinder Airport (DRZR) which has a nice runway.

Knowing how dark it gets in this area at Night, with absolutely no visual clues, they did a good job surviving an emergency landing :ok:

bille1319
12th May 2014, 19:07
There's something not quite right here; first loosing all coms as we've heard during the MH370 episode is suspicious with so many back up systems and if they ran out of fuel how the T/Rs work even with a belly landing and no tracks or debris, scratches on the paint work apart from bent up flaps, on the stb wing.

Super VC-10
12th May 2014, 19:33
As the thrust reversers are deployed, it is reasonable to assume the undercarriage was down when the aircraft landed.

Caboclo
12th May 2014, 19:36
Agree on fishy. Is there cell phone service in the vicinity of Ganla?

Jumbo744
12th May 2014, 20:41
Hi Caboclo,

Yes there is cellphone coverage in the ganla area.

Scrappy
13th May 2014, 01:29
The pilots stated, that their "FMS led them off course, they were unable to find their location via VOR's, were running out of fuel, lost, so they decided to put it down where they could."

AN2 Driver
13th May 2014, 06:46
Scrappy,

and where exactly was that? There is still no information on the location where this happened.

Erwin Schroedinger
13th May 2014, 08:20
ASN Aircraft accident Fokker 100 5N-SIK Ganla (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140510-1)
An IRS Airlines Fokker F100, operating on a post C-check ferry flight from Bratislava sustained substantial damage during a forced landing in the Ganla area in Niger.

Accident: IRS F100 near GANLA on May 10th 2014, loss of radio contact and emergency landing (http://avherald.com/h?article=474365a5)

I have no idea how remote the area is, in terms of radar coverage, navaids and VDF, but for two professional pilots to lose all means of navgation, however crude, and fail to resolve that situation and/or inform ATC before becoming critically low on fuel is difficult to understand.

Flightmech
13th May 2014, 08:22
I agree, And still however managed to tweet about it!!!?

Nemrytter
13th May 2014, 11:02
Should've used the GPS on his cellphone.:E

FLYDHC8
13th May 2014, 11:38
Its also possible he tweeted about it at the hotel or any other place once they were rescued.

Kulverstukas
13th May 2014, 15:23
First tweet after crash "still alive boss" was 1:02 PM - 11 May 2014 so it was about half a day from landing time.

JanetFlight
13th May 2014, 16:05
Just Google F/O name...JamyL MD Abubakar.
According lot of aviation sites, it seems that we could have here much more than we already knows:

Am grateful to God. How we survived is another story, I live to be greater. I love flying anyday anytime. Thanks everyone for #support : PilotJamboy (http://inagist.com/all/465417625708011520/)

SKS777FLYER
16th May 2014, 16:31
Not suggesting in any way this happened to this IRS F100......

Air France A-319, Paris CDG, this March, left engine flameout, fuel starvation while left fuel tank indicated 1,000kg fuel on board.




TAM Linhas Aereas, Fokker F100, São Paulo Congohas, October, 1996,
Fatal crash shortly after T/O, uncommanded right thrust reverser deployment.

jfill
16th May 2014, 19:43
The crew is being interviewed by 5 investigators of the Accident Investigation Bureau (AIB) of Nigeria. Reportedly crashed at Kwasi Posa village in Niger Republic after it flew into a sandstorm.

As reported "After the sandstorm, the plane lost contact with the Kano Airport control tower, hovered for hours in the air and later ran out of fuel, which prompted the pilots to land crash (sic) the plane in the village."

Link here: (http://tribune.com.ng/news/news-headlines/item/5346-aib-commences-investigations-into-irs-plane-crash)

Herod
16th May 2014, 21:13
The TAM aeroplane was a combination of factors. If the TR deploys inadvertently, the thrust-lever goes to idle and the aircraft is controllable. In that accident a tremendous force was used by the pilots to move the thrust-lever, to try and get more power. I was flying the -100 at the time, and this became a sim-check exercise. IIRC, it requires almost the force of a large boot behind it to move that lever.

CaptainProp
16th May 2014, 22:16
A short time later the first officer of the flight tweeted: "still alive boss" and posted a photo of the aircraft

Very professional.... :uhoh:

latetonite
17th May 2014, 06:11
Looks like a fischy story.

NIJASEA
17th May 2014, 10:35
They held avoiding bad weather for a couple of hours? How Big is Nigeria as a country? Flying from Ganla they could comfortably arrive ABUJA (DNAA) with extra fuel. In the worst case scenario fly heading 180 to the coast and turn RIGHT to Lagos or Left to Portharcourt. The only acceptable excuses for the crash to have happened is 1: Fuel contamination 2: Total Aircraft systems failure 3: Both Pilot incapacitation. There could be others that will lead to total loss of control but with reversers deployed and little fuselage damage to the aircraft it shows the crew were in control. The investigation will be a joke, for those who know Nigeria how do you as a low level investigator hold the head of the Police force son culpable for the crash? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

chuks
17th May 2014, 13:43
It will be interesting to see how the report reads, no? Well, it will be interesting to see if a report is made available to read.

It's hard to imagine doing a forced landing such a short distance from your destination, after flying around in circles waiting for a "sand storm" to lift. (Kano has sand storms? Harmattan, sure, but sand storms, like in the Sahara?)

If all else fails, why not, indeed, use that wet compass to fly a heading that should take you to someplace with good visibility? That seems like basic airmanship, doesn't it? Well, I guess we will have to see what the investigators have to say about that.

Nemrytter
17th May 2014, 13:49
Judging from satellite data the only sandstorm remotely close to them was quite a bit North of their destination - if they did fly into it then they could've simply carried on in the same direction and they'd have flown out the other side. Better than circling in the middle of it.
I'd be very interested in knowing how high they were as well, sandstorms rarely reach anywhere near cruising altitude. Something doesn't add up.

AN2 Driver
19th May 2014, 10:42
Where is this place Kwasi Posa?

Google does not know it... Coordinates anyone?

Aluminium shuffler
19th May 2014, 19:01
Gun running?

NG1
19th May 2014, 22:00
With the aircraft coming right out a c-check in Bratislava I guess the maintenance company will be interested in the accident report as well...