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airwave45
27th Oct 2013, 05:25
I've seen a new EASA license which says NPPL (A), I thought they were going to be LAPL (A) ?
License issued in last 2 weeks, on new EASA format, Single sheet to be folded to A6.

When will this change ?
Will this change ?

airwave45
27th Oct 2013, 06:48
Have read section 4 of CAP804 (the new one)

It would appear that a LAPL could have been issued, but a reaplication will have to take place now to get a LAPL. and it would appear that the issue of the LAPL (S) will remove the ability to carry passengers in a Sailplane . .

Were the chaps at the CAA drinking heavily when they wrote section 4 of CAP 804 ?

To Change out an NPPL (A) with SLMG endorsement for a LAPL (S)
You must:

Hold an NPPL(A) with SLMG rating;
Hold an LAPL medical certificate (or a Class 1 or
Class 2 medical certificate) issued in
accordance with Part MED (MED.A.030). Any
limitation arising from the holder’s medical
status will appear on the medical certificate;
Have knowledge of the sections of Part OPS
and Part-FCL relevant to the LAPL(S) with TMG
privileges – in accordance with A.1(b) of Annex
II to the EASA Aircrew Regulation;
If the applicant has not completed 2 hours pilot
in command of SLMGs since being granted the
NPPL(A) with SLMG rating, comply with
FCL.105.S(b) – LAPL(S) Privileges and
Conditions on issue of the Part-FCL LAPL(S) in
order to be entitled to carry passengers, i.e.:
FCL.105.S LAPL(S) — Privileges and
conditions
(b) Holders of an LAPL(S) shall only carry
passengers after they have completed, after
the issuance of the licence, 10 hours of
flight time or thirty launches as PIC of
sailplanes or powered sailplanes.

issue of the NPPL(A) shall be credited towards
fulfilling this requirement.
Limitations and their removal
Where the NPPL(A) was obtained by flying
Touring Motor Gliders only, or the holder has
not fulfilled requirements equivalent to
FCL.110.S(a) in SLMGs other than TMGs
(except that the 15 hours is reduced to 8 hours)
nor passed a General Skill Test in an SLMG that
is not a TMG, the LAPL(S) will be limited to
TMGs only - (i.e. no privileges to act as pilot in
command of sailplanes or powered sailplanes).
This limitation shall remain in place unless and
until:
(i) the requirements of FCL.110.S(a) are
fulfilled in sailplanes and/or powered
sailplanes other than TMGs (except that
the 15 hours may be reduced to 8 hours);
and
(ii) the flight test required by FCL.125 has been
passed in a sailplane or powered sailplane
other than a TMG.
The requirements of FCL.110.S are:
FCL.110.S LAPL(S) — Experience
requirements and crediting
(a) Applicants for an LAPL(S) shall have
completed at least 15 hours of flight
instruction in sailplanes, or powered
sailplanes, including at least:
(1) 10 hours of dual flight instruction;
(2) 2 hours of supervised solo flight time;
(3) 45 launches and landings;
(4) 1 solo cross-country flight of at least 50 km
(27 NM) or 1 dual cross-country flight of at
least 100 km (55 NM).
(b) Of the 15 hours required in (a), a
maximum of 7 hours may be completed in a
TMG.

I'm absolutely baffled.

Whopity
27th Oct 2013, 08:51
I've seen a new EASA license which says NPPL (A),I don't think the CAA's computer will let them do this! A National licence now has exactly the same format as an EASA licence, the only difference being the words EUROPEAN UNION Flight Crew Licence written on the first page under the CAA logo. If it does not have that, it is not an EASA Licence.

Hotelpresident
27th Oct 2013, 11:30
Normally every time european union changes its mind and create other crazy ideas, national licences are automatically change to the new weird format generated from european crazy commisars.

U.S.S.R. (URSS) was nothing compared with the european commisars.

BigEndBob
27th Oct 2013, 18:27
Didn't realise I needed reading glasses until these licences appeared!