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ResumeOwnNav
19th Oct 2013, 07:25
Just heard from a friend that one of Air Niugini's ATRs has crashed in Madang?

The 2 pilots got out the escape hatch and have been taken to hospital.

twinjet69
19th Oct 2013, 08:49
Rumour has it in the creek at the 07 end of the runway, rejected takeoff? As above, apparently all crew (3) got out okay, but the aircraft was still burning some hours after the incident! Great to hear that at this point, it appears no one is badly hurt.

Kiwiconehead
19th Oct 2013, 11:16
Pics I have seen are of it submerged to cockpit windows and rh engine and rh outer wing burnt

Buckshot
19th Oct 2013, 19:44
Accident: Niugini AT42 at Madang on Oct 19th 2013, overran runway on rejected takeoff (http://avherald.com/h?article=46a2b3ac&opt=0)

Sarcs
19th Oct 2013, 21:04
Photo here...:rolleyes:

Air Niugini ATR-42 goes into river after aborted takeoff, Madang, PNG

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BW6fnEbCUAA8b8W.jpg

And a few more in this report from Aviation Safety Net:

Air Niugini ATR-42 goes into river after aborted takeoff, Madang, PNG (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20131019-1)


Must be that time of the month for runway excursions:{ here is a Avsafety report and phots on a Bae-146 on Balesin Is Philippines:

SkyJet BAe-146 suffers runway excursion on landing at Balesin Airstrip, Philippines (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20131019-0)

Sundy review-Planetalking puts an interesting spin on high wing water evacs in regards to the Madang prang:E:

PNG aircrash puts focus on high wing evacuations (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2013/10/20/png-aircrash-puts-focus-on-high-wing-evacuations/) :ok:

Jack Ranga
20th Oct 2013, 00:44
That's one way of putting a fire out.

Capn Rex Havoc
20th Oct 2013, 02:04
Now I know why they put that hatch in the roof of the ATR and Caribous. :ok:

Sausage Stuffer
20th Oct 2013, 02:57
Other than a short swim in the creek meaning wet clothes, loss of a few nav bags contents, all 3 crew are unharmed and recovering in Port Moresby hotel(s)
That all that matters.

sierra5913
20th Oct 2013, 03:26
http://avherald.com/img/niugini_at42_p2-pxy_madang_131019_2.jpg

ruddman
20th Oct 2013, 03:54
I wonder if there were crocs in the creek?

Always wondered about that every time approaching cairns thinking about the joy of surviving the aircraft landing short landing south and ending up in the Barron river trying to swim back to the bank with crocs possibly nearby.:eek:



I think I think too much...:bored:

601
20th Oct 2013, 08:12
At least he had the correct rudder input

Mach E Avelli
20th Oct 2013, 09:04
Not much threat from crocs in PNG creeks. The locals are smart enough to convert them to handbags. The surviving crocs are those smart enough to avoid the locals.

A far greater bio-hazard would be from blind mullets.

pngfacts
20th Oct 2013, 10:14
Air Niugini Cargo plane has been crashed in Madan PNG. The news site. PNG News Today (http://news.pngfacts.com/2013/10/air-niugini-cargo-plane-runs-off-runway.html)
confirmed that the plane has been crashed but the three crew members survived.

TBM-Legend
20th Oct 2013, 21:45
Confirmation: Air Niugini Cargo plane crashed


I would have thought the picture of the bird in the creek would be enough to confirm it!

Metro man
21st Oct 2013, 03:30
With the state of the right engine it looks like he made the correct decision to abort even though he ended up in the river. I would not like to have taken that problem into the air.

Reminds me of a HS748 incident at Stansted in 1998 where the Captain rejected the take off after V1 but would probably not be alive if he'd continued.

Mach E Avelli
21st Oct 2013, 05:12
At this stage no-one has said whether that nasty looking mess was due to post-impact fire or not. However looking at the singed grass behind the aircraft it sure looks as if the wing was burning before it came to rest.
Agree, there are times when V1 becomes meaningless, and a bloody great explosion would certainly be up there as a reason to put it back on the ground regardless. It looks more like it was shot down than fell down!

Capt Claret
21st Oct 2013, 07:32
Ben Sandilands, in this article (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2013/10/20/png-aircrash-puts-focus-on-high-wing-evacuations/) refers to the flight deck roof top hatch in the ATR being used as an emergency exit for ditchings. The article also refers to a similar hatch in the DH8 (does the -400 have one?).

As best I can recall from my DH8 EPs days, some 13 years ago, the flight deck hatch wasn't considered an "emergency exit", more for the evacuation of tech crew if the flight deck door was jammed/blocked shut.

I wonder if things have changed?

training wheels
21st Oct 2013, 07:44
The article also refers to a similar hatch in the DH8 (does the -400 have one?)

Don't know about the -400, but the MA60 has one (similar size and high wing design as the ATR72).

Ando1Bar
21st Oct 2013, 08:00
Ben's got it wrong - the escape hatch in the ATR isn't designed for passengers. It is within the cockpit - one has to throw out the rope and climb up 'stairs' on the side of the electrical racks. The cockpit is separated from the cabin by two locked doors.

In the freight world, surely this hatch would have been the quickest option for the crew to escape fire, even on 'land'. The other emergency exits are blocked by the freight and netting, the only other exit being the cargo door which would take a little while to open (an eternity during a fire!).

In case sierra's image a few posts above doesn't work for you (it doesn't on my mac devices), hopefully this will (from the avherald website):

http://avherald.com/img/niugini_at42_p2-pxy_madang_131019_2.jpg

Going Nowhere
21st Oct 2013, 09:40
-400 has one too. It's pretty much the same nose section as the 1/2/300's.

TWT
21st Oct 2013, 10:17
Ando,I can't see either yours or Sierra's pics (W7, FF and IE10)
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The web site hosting the pictures indicates:

Our Servers are currently offline due to the failure of the harddisk RAID controller, an IBM technician is on the way to Salzburg.

At this time we have no estimate when the server will come back online,
we do not see a chance before Tuesday Oct 22nd 2013 about 14:00Z now.

Why a RAID controller would put them off line seems strange?

You should see the pictures when the site is back on line.

Tail Wheel

Sarcs
22nd Oct 2013, 02:58
Pretty graphic pic there Ando (repeated below)!!:eek: You can also see pics on the Air Safety Net report:Air Niugini ATR-42 goes into river after aborted takeoff, Madang, PNG (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20131019-1)

Also noted that the ATSB is assisting with analysing the CVR/FDR data :ok:: AE-2013-184 (http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/investigation_reports/2013/aair/ae-2013-184.aspx)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BW5lGKeCQAABqbt.jpg:large

TWT
22nd Oct 2013, 03:44
You should see the pictures when the site is back on line.


Thanks Tail Wheel :ok:

TBM-Legend
23rd Oct 2013, 05:06
From an associate in PNG today::O

talking to the people in madang,
seems like the RH engine may have been trailing smoke on take off,
the airport fire truck ran out of water within 5 min, had to wait for town engine to arrive, looters were stealing the cargo while it was still burning.....I know you will be surprised, how could that happen in PNG ???

Mach E Avelli
23rd Oct 2013, 11:08
From another thread running on Rumours and News:


"On Oct 22nd 2013 the French BEA reported in their weekly bulletin that the aircraft accelerated for takeoff from runway 25 when upon rotation the nose gear did not lift off the runway, the captain, pilot flying, said in post flight interviews the controls felt very heavy in pitch. The captain rejected takeoff, the aircraft overran the end of the runway, went down a bank of about 3 meters, continued for about 100 meters before the right wing impacted the airport perimeter fence, causing the aircraft to turn about 45 degrees, right hand engine and right outboard wing caught fire, the aircraft slid down into a small creek where it came to rest partly submerged. The cockpit voice and flight data recorder were not submerged and were recovered in good condition. The right hand wing separated from the wing and fell into the creek. The investigation is led by the Authorities of Papua New Guinea"

Which, if correct, suggests that smoke and fire was post-impact. However, if it was severely out of trim, or there was a control jam, it still seems like a late RTO was a better option than taking it into the air.

AS for the looting - just goes to show that the cargo cult is alive and well.

Kiwiconehead
24th Oct 2013, 04:53
AS for the looting - just goes to show that the cargo cult is alive and well.

3500kgs of smokes on board - they would have been inside it before the crew got out the hatch

Jock p
10th Dec 2013, 00:04
Does anyone have an idea when the preliminary report will come out?

Seems somewhat slow in forthcoming. :rolleyes:

Pinky the pilot
11th Dec 2013, 01:27
the airport fire truck ran out of water within 5 min, had to wait for town engine to arrive, looters were stealing the cargo while it was still burning

Now why doesn't all of that surprise me?:rolleyes:

Em nau.

Tombstone Mentality
14th Dec 2013, 17:10
The preliminary report is available here:
http://www.aic.gov.pg/pdf/AIC13-1007%20P2-PXY%20Preliminary.pdf

VH-FTS
14th Dec 2013, 18:07
Wow, faster prelim report than the ATSB could pump out...

Kharon
14th Dec 2013, 19:59
Some basic type data – HERE (http://www.aircontractors.com/images/uploads/pdf/atr_datasheet_42_-_May2013.pdf) - page 6 has a diagram. Can't put my hand on a -42 trim sheet, but the mathematics make some interesting 'what ifs'. Pity the load grew legs.