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scottyt
17th Oct 2013, 09:54
can anyone tell me what is the limiting factor when you are airborne to make a standard cat 1 ils. ?
As i understand it you only need the required rvr to make the approach legally?
Can you disregard the ceiling when airborne for an ils ?
ex. standard cat1 rvr 600m, overcast 100`
Can you still make the approach as long as you are visual at your DA ?
Can anybody send the link ?
be have been looking eu-ops doc 8168 etc..
thanks in advance.
Precision approaches do not take ceiling into account, only RVR. It is up to you if you go down to minima or not.
I do remember some takeoffs with 4000m visibility or so and finding ourselves in solid gray 2 seconds after takeoff..
Jeppesen airway manual, ATC, Eu-ops aerodrome operating minima:
"The ceiling must be taken into account when only non-precision or circling approach are available".
rayfill
19th Oct 2013, 10:15
in addition to Dufo, you may always start the approach regardless of rvr / ceiling.
However, when you are at the outer marker, the rvr has to meet the minima for the approach. If the rvr at that point is below the minimum required, you may not continue.
If you have passed the outer marker, and atc informs you that the rvr is below the minimum, then it doesn't matter anymore and you may continue to your DA.
FougaMagister
19th Oct 2013, 11:33
And by the way, the standard CAT I minimum RVR is 550m, not 600m.
pudoc
19th Oct 2013, 20:04
As above really.
We only worry about the RVR on an ILS. As said, you can commence an approach but cannot go beyond the outer marker or below 1000ft. In the UK it's always the 1000ft (above airport elevation), in the rest of Europe it's the OM. If there is no OM then you use the 1000ft.
If you've passed the OM/1000ft and the vis gets worse, you can continue the approach. This is because in this situation it is assumed the RVR is fluctuating so you have a chance to see the approach lights/runway.
mad_jock
19th Oct 2013, 20:41
RVR approach bans apply to all approaches what ever flavour they are.
There is no requirement for an approach ban due to cloud base. If the wx is RVR 550m OVC001 or even OVC000 you can give it shot if you like. And with CAT II lighting you might get in.
There is however requirements for cloud base to be taken into account in pre flight planning for alternative selection and fuel planning.