Argentina/Chinese fighter talks

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Jane's Missiles & Rockets

Fighter talks may afford Argentina advanced Chinese missile systems


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Fighter talks may afford Argentina advanced Chinese missile systems

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Publication:Jane's Missiles & Rockets
Author:Richard D Fisher Jr, Paris
Gareth Jennings, London
Section:SPECIAL REPORTS
Last posted:2013-06-28
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Argentina may be in a position to field advanced Chinese air-to-air and anti-ship weaponry if talks regarding the potential co-production of the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1/JF-17 multirole combat aircraft come to fruition.
Speaking at the Paris Air Show in mid-June, officials from Fabrica Argentina de Aviones (FAdeA) toldIHS Jane's that the company has had multiple discussions with Chinese officials over co-producing the fighter in Argentina. Although the FC-1/JF-17 is already jointly built with Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, FAdeA officials stressed that they are dealing solely with the Chinese in this matter.
While discussions are said to be far from over, if realised they will open up a wide panoply of Chinese weapon systems to Argentina that include the 100 km-range Luoyang SD-10A (PL-12) active radar-guided beyond-visual-range (BVR) air-to-air missile (AAM) and the very high speed CASIC CM-400AKG anti-ship missile, which has a range of 180-250 km...










Non-subscriber extract from a longer Jane's piece on the ramifications of ongoing Argentine-Chinese talks for local production of the JF-17.

Time to rethink the threat to the Falklands perhaps?

[What the Fug]

What does the The Argentine have to barter, that the middle kingdom would be interested in

[Roadster280]

Could be saber rattling, so they are seen to be doing something.

Treasury wise, they haven't got a pot to piss in. Unless the Chinese want to geschenk the hardware for their own political reasons, I find it hard to believe the FAA will be sporting new aircraft and missiles anytime soon.

[mad_jock]

Well they might say lots of oil sitting off an island that they own. Along with fishing rights.

[Fareastdriver]

Which at the moment belongs to one of their biggest export customers.

[melmothtw]

What does the The Argentine have to barter, that the middle kingdom would be interested in


I don't think it's a matter of barter, as the Chinese and Argentinians are already cooperating on the joint development and manufacture of the CZ-11 light helicopter, and this would further strengthen these ties.

Also, China has long supported Argentine claims to the Falklands as it sees parallels with Taiwan (which ties in with Roadster's notion of them "geschenking" the hardware to Argentina).

[Milo Minderbinder]

"What does the The Argentine have to barter, that the middle kingdom would be interested in "

Food
Soya to be precise
Argentina is the worlds third largest producer, but that could be increased with investment
China is the USA's largest buyer, and demand is increasing. The Chinese need to be less dependent on the USA

World Soybean Production 2011 (http://www.soystats.com/2012/page_30.htm)
Soy Stats 2012 (http://www.soystats.com/2012/Default-frames.htm)

How China?s Rising Soybean Consumption Is Reshaping Western Agriculture : TreeHugger (http://www.treehugger.com/sustainable-agriculture/chinas-rising-soybean-consumption-reshaping-western-agriculture.html)

[Jimlad1]

I've seen dozens of reports about argentina getting the latest wonder weapon.
Where they fall down is the total inability of the argentinean govt to acquire, train, support and operate any such force.
For those who worry, remember that the argentine navy has sufficient funding this year for about 135 sea days for its entire navy. A single rn escort spends more time at sea each year than their entire navy.
No disrespect to their military, and i've had the genuine pleasure of meeting some of their officers, but the task of turning their armed forces into sonething capable of threatening the falklands is going to take decades

[sycamore]

Lots of Chinese `military advisors/mercs`..?

[chopper2004]

In 2008, the Argentine Army Aviation evaluated the Z-11 and last year the first Z-11 built under license flew.

FAdeA flies first licence-built Z-11 - News - Shephard (http://www.shephardmedia.com/news/rotorhub/fadea-flies-first-licence-built-z-11/)

[Lima Juliet]

Calm down dear...

With these to hang under Eurofrightner then everything will be fine:

http://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/25_Meteor_for_sale.pdf

Kinematic range at least 3x AIM-120B according to the article :D

LJ

[TEEEJ]

Argentina is still interested in the ex-Spanish Air Force Mirage F-1Ms.

Google Vertalen (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nuevaeranet.com.ar%2Flocales%2Fnota-el-gobierno-nacional-podria-adquirir-12-cazas-para-la-vi-brigada-aerea-28808.html)

The Spanish Air Force held a retirement ceremony for the Mirage F-1 on June 23rd, 2013.

Ejército del aire. Noticia (http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es/ea/pag?idDoc=1D6D1A26F1CFD107C1257B7B003ECBA0)

Photos: Dassault Mirage F1EE(M) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Spain---Air/Dassault-Mirage-F1EE(M)/1782499/L)

[Trim Stab]

What does the The Argentine have to barter, that the middle kingdom would be interested in

China usually expects the barter to be in the form of the award of large infrastructure construction or mineral rights projects to Chinese companies. The provision of subsidised weapon systems is a sort of bribe to win these contracts which are often many times more lucrative.

Ironically, often the money for these infrastructure projects comes from western donor agencies!