Air Carnival & Turbo Aviation new airlines on the way

[blackbirdsr72]

Two New companies have applied with the Ministry of civil aviation for the grant of scheduled airline operations. The details are as follows

Air carnival, based out of coimbatore plans to operate with 5 ATR's and plans to launch commercial operations in January 2014. The managing director is Hridayanath along with 5 other directors including lima Rose and Nedumaran.

Turbo Aviation from hyderabad who is into charter and ground handling have also applied for regional scheduled operations. The owner is Mr Umesh.

Volk airlines has been refused the Initial Noc for scheduled airline operations and paramount has been advised to clear former financial liabilities to be considered again.

SOP will be granted soon to Air costa to launch airline operations.

Air Asia will get the initial Noc as soon as the security clearance of directors arrives in MOCA from MHA.

Regards
Blackbirdsr72

[captjns]

Applications are cheap to file. Getting the money to lease the aircraft is another issue.

After the King Fisher debacle, leasing companies are not hard pressed to lease aircraft to Indian start ups:{.

But it's nice to dream... isn't it?

[blackbirdsr72]

You are spot on captjns........

After the fall of KF its very hard for indian startups to get aircraft's. Air costa struggled very much to get the 2 birds from ECC leasing. They were forced to book an ERJ190 from Embraer to prove the financial strength. Even after that they had to pay 8 months lease rents as security deposit for each aircraft when the standard industry practice is 3 months plus 1 month advance rental.

I have a feeling that zexus, Turbo, kairali airlines and New look airways will never take off likefreedom, volk, air Dravida and zav........

Air carnival has a healthy background but long way to feel the heat. By the way another company called sea bird also applied for seaplane services in kerala.

When 26 Airlines across the world was shut down in 2012 including Air Australia, BMI , spanair, Air Zimbabwe and our Kingfisher new players should do their home work before jumping into this business.

Regards
Blackbirdsr72

[blackbirdsr72]

Ram charan teja is one of the directors of turbo aviation and plans to invest 50 crores with the company. Umesh is pretty happy with the situation. Noc is expected to be cleared next month.

[captjns]

Ram charan teja is one of the directors of turbo aviation and plans to invest 50 crores with the company. Umesh is pretty happy with the situation. Noc is expected to be cleared next month.

Yawnnnnn. The say that at best, Murphy was an optimist.:}

[airbuswala]

Dear Experts,

Any scope on ATR 72 type pilots in India?:ugh:

[blackbirdsr72]

Two more applications filed with MOCA for regional scheduled airline.

Premier Airways

Skyquest Airways

Renewal of NOC's new applications

1. Air pegasus - shyson thomas has applied again
2. Freedom Air - Ashish has applied again, likely to get again since they have Two charter companies,AAA aviation and Freedom Charters.
3. Zexus Air- Planning again

Air Carnival likely to get the Noc for Regional scheduled airline.

Regards
Blackbird sr 72

[Mr.CB]

Heard that Air Costa is set to get its final approval from DGCA and the company officials will be coming to Delhi. Has the Approval been granted?? It was scheduled in the last week of august.. thanx

[blackbirdsr72]

I heard that there are some issues which still needs to be addressed. Also audit is going on in dgca. Might take few weeks more. Poor planning is making them bleeding. When the 2 birds arrived the reservation system was not ready, (negotiations were going on with naviataire and sabre) ultimately ended up with a delhi based company. The manuals were not submitted for approval except the security manual. So many basic works were pending.
Anyways lets hope that they get the RSOP soon. Don't want to see another entrepreneur in aviation struggling.

[palprthi]

Hi all

If any one of you knows more information about Air Carnival, please share.
About the promoters, Wet or DRY Lease, ATR 500 or 600. bits and pieces, chunks :p anything.

Thanks in Advance.

[Sunajs]

Does anyone have any info (re: Zexus) on the rumour that their NOC was rejected and they have investor problems? They have not signed their LOI with their 175's suppliers, cancelled their US pilot training, one of their main pilots has quit, and are no longer in dialogue with their US partners!

[blackbirdsr72]

Another company by the name skyjet has applied for Regional scheduled airline operations based out of delhi. They plan to operate with 3 A320's. Mr Thakur is the Managing Director and seems to have political backing.

[yetanotherrubani]

guys any update on zexus air???

[ChiefT]

Turbo Aviation has at least a background and track record operating biz jets and choppers,

Air Carnival seems to be a paper tiger, but I must admit, that I have no clue about their background.

[Sunajs]

Inside sources say that their NOC is due to be released this week.

[regional_pilot]

Does any body have any info about Air carnival please share....

[blackbirdsr72]

Air Carnival has recieved the NOC today....

[hifly787]

Blackbird
Be practical. Airlines now flying AI JET INDIGO SPICE AIR COSTA AIR ASIA . TATASIA starting in October. Do you really think there's space for more Airlines now ?

[blackbirdsr72]

Blackbird
Be practical. Airlines now flying AI JET INDIGO SPICE AIR COSTA AIR ASIA . TATASIA starting in October. Do you really think there's space for more Airlines now ?


I am not the person to issue the NOC dude.....😃...... so no need to assess my practicality. then if you want to know my opinion , If countries like brazil and russia have 4000 plus and 1200 plus airports why cant we have atleast 500 -550 quality airports..? if you take the statistics of international pax carried from the top 10 airports in india , more than 70% are by International carriers.. In BIAL its 90%..... Dont you feel theres more room for domestic and international carriers from india.?

[hifly787]

Blackbird
Exactly my point . We need big players for that with big money. Not two bit airlines like Pegasus Carnival etc .

[regional_pilot]

Hello Hifly!!! All that I can recall about "Big players and Big money" are KINGFISHER AIRLINES / DAMANIA / NEPC and I can go on... so where are these players now my friend they still have money don't they....wake up hiflyer u can even expect better service from "Small players with Better Brains" :ok:

[blackbirdsr72]

Hello Hifly!!! All that I can recall about "Big players and Big money" are KINGFISHER AIRLINES / DAMANIA / NEPC and I can go on... so where are these players now my friend they still have money don't they....wake up hiflyer u can even expect better service from "Small players with Better Brains"

i like it.......:D

[hifly787]

Blackbird
I say again KF used the PSU banks money. Damania and Khemka were non entities. A certain real estate guy from Vijaywada is finding out the hard way about running an airline co in India . You misunderstood my phrase of big players . To run international ops now you need companies like EK and EY with ruthless CEOs who are conversant with aviation. Just look at the great TF. He started ops June 5 2014 ,said he will break even in 3 months .Now he says Dec. Doesn't even mention which year . And believe me if TF is finding the going difficult, everyone else will ! Also small players with better brains don't come into aviation. They run provision shops !

[regional_pilot]

I say again KF used the PSU banks money. Damania and Khemka were non entities. A certain real estate guy from Vijaywada is finding out the hard way about running an airline co in India . You misunderstood my phrase of big players . To run international ops now you need companies like EK and EY with ruthless CEOs who are conversant with aviation. Just look at the great TF. He started ops June 5 2014 ,said he will break even in 3 months .Now he says Dec. Doesn't even mention which year . And believe me if TF is finding the going difficult, everyone else will ! Also small players with better brains don't come into aviation. They run provision shops !

EK - is wholly owned by the government of Dubai. EY - is the National airline of UAE in both cases there is a huge investment from the State. Your pointed out practicality in your previous discussions then it makes me wonder that you must either be foreign to India aviation or a ruthless critic of airlines in India.

Let me draw your attention to EY's decision to partner with 9W please think which airline could have made the best out of this deal I have my facts but I don't like to address them in this forum whatever the possibilities you may think the middle east carrier has done a lot of research about the aviation outlook in India so If you cannot rely the former you must have faith in the later's decision as you consider them as "Big Players" in International Operations.

Now coming to the airline from Vijayawada who you underestimate is maintaining a 80% load factor any new airline looks to stabilize their operating margins and turn profitable at least in a year or Two, with the previous governments not being able to support the request's of the airline community by and large I think we need to avail the moratorium in order to witness better governance from the present political system which should make this sector more secure and profitable among global markets.

You will soon witness a complete turnaround with the aviation sector in India and that's why we need more players like Air Costa, Air Carnival etc....

Also small players with better brains don't come into aviation. They run provision shops smart comment :D but this remark could hurt the sentiments of a provision store vendor but when you care less to address about airlines in this forum I can dismiss your comments without any regrets ;)

BE PRACTICAL:confused:

[justjet]

Dear All,

Which Aircraft will they fly?

Regards

[cyrilroy21]

Govt approves two new regional airlines - Livemint (http://www.livemint.com/Politics/ZbEIMDPnfQsunT7xU5RqlK/Govt-approves-two-new-regional-airlines.html)

[hifly787]

Regional pilot Quote
You will soon witness a complete turnaround with the aviation sector in India and that's why we need more players like Air Costa, Air Carnival etc....
Would you kindly explain how ?

[regional_pilot]

Don't be so pushy hifly your avidness should I say to explore is mediocre to the core. should this government prevail upon an individual like you or me to influence its policies in order to prove itself I don't think so Be patient In time you will see theme come to pass let say I owe you for know...until then my friend your ferreting should fly out from turbulent topics.....:=

[regional_pilot]

Those in the process of looking for new opportunity here is where you should find it, air carnival has kick started the process of inviting Job Application for various positions online Air Carnival - Job Application Form (http://www.form2pay.com/publish/publish_form/148822) :ok:

[blackbirdsr72]

Four New Airlines has been approved from the Ministry of civil Aviation. The NOC has been granted on 18.07.14

1. Air One (Scheduled)
2. Zexus (Scheduled)
3. Turbo (Regional scheduled)
4. Five sisters (Scheduled)

[cyrilroy21]

More new airlines

Govt clears the decks for six new airlines - Livemint (http://www.livemint.com/Politics/pjsYe97vavEWPoKPkPwbfO/Govt-clears-the-decks-for-six-new-airlines.html)

[regional_pilot]

New Delhi: The civil aviation ministry has cleared six new airlines—three national and three regional—by granting them no-objection certificates. Air One Aviation Pvt. Ltd, Zexus Air and Premier Air plan to launch operations on a national level if they get licences from the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA). Turbo Megha, Air Carnival and Zav Airways want to take to the skies as regional airlines, which operate within a limited geography and face restrictions on where they may fly to. Here is a snapshot of the new airlines and their promoters.

Air One

Air One is founded by Alok Sharma and his wife Shashi Bala. Sharma is a former president of Air Sahara and has worked with ModiLuft and InterGlobe Enterprises. The Air One management is largely made up of former Air Sahara executives and operate out of its office at Terminal 1, Indira Gandhi International (IGI) Airport, Delhi. It has six charter aircraft. The airline, which has only Sharma and wife as directors, has a paid-up capital of Rs.103 crore. It denies it’s a backdoor entry for the Sahara Group. Sharma said the airline will launch in March and work has started on it.

Premier Airways

Premier Airways is promoted by Umapathy Pinaghapani and a consortium of investors, according to consulting firm Capa. Pinaghapani is an Indian citizen based in the US. Premier Airways’ promoters are in the information technology, retail and distribution businesses and plan to start a national level low-cost carrier.

Turbo Megha

Southern movie actor Chiranjeevi’s son Ram Charan and Vankayalapati Umesh are directors of Turbo Megha Airways Pvt. Ltd, which is expected to start operations from Hyderabad. Turbo Aviation Pvt. Ltd, an associate company, has two Cessna Citation aircraft and is based out of Hyderabad. It also has provided ground-handling services to domestic airlines such as Air Deccan, Air Sahara, Jet Airways (India) Ltd, Kingfisher Airlines Ltd and Go Airlines Pvt. Ltd, among others.

Air Carnival

Air Carnival Charter Service was established in 2013 and is based in New Delhi. It is founded by S.I. Nathan, chairman of the CMC Group, which runs institutions offering courses in aeronautical and marine technologies in Tamil Nadu.

Zav Airways

Zav Airways Pvt. Ltd plans to start services in the Eastern and North-Eastern parts of the country. It is promoted by Kolkata-based Kishor Zavery. It plans to use Bell 412 twin-engine helicopters that can land in any airport.

Zexus Air

Zexus Air plans to launch services with Embraer E175LR equipment, according to the Capa website. The airline functions from a small office at Delhi’s IGI Airport. It declined to comment on its promoters. Source: DGCA, Airline websites, Capa, Mint research

Source : Livemint

[Sunajs]

Supposedly Zexxus got their NOC 18th July. At least according to a letter issued by Under-secretary Mr. Bahtia.

[blackbirdsr72]

Travel Biz Monitor :: Regional airline Turbo Megha Airways in talks to sell majority stake (http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/regional-airline-turbo-megha-airways-in-talks-to-sell-majority-stake-24965)

Regional airline Turbo Megha Airways in talks to sell majority stakeBy TBM Staff | Mumbai

Vankayalapati Umesh, Promoter-Director of Turbo Megha Airways, is in talks with Hyderabad-based Megha Engineering and Infrastructures (MEIL) to sell a majority stake in the regional airline, as per an ET report by Raji Reddy Kesireddy. "MEIL has shown interest and talks are currently on," Umesh said, adding, "We expect to close the deal in a month or so."*

Turbo Megha Airways is one of six airlines that received approval from the Ministry of Civil Aviation (MoCA) last month. Telugu actor Ram Charan Teja is its other Director of the airline. “We are currently doing due diligence,” PV Krishna Reddy, Managing Director, MEIL said. “Given the turbulent nature of the Indian and global aviation industry, where most players are bleeding, we want to take a cautious call only after an extensive due diligence process, which should take few more weeks to complete,” he added.*

MEIL, which has an order book of Rs 25,000 crore, is a customer of Umesh's charter aircraft firm Turbo Aviation. MEIL had reported revenue of Rs 6,000 crore for the year ended March 2014.*

According to Umesh, the airline needs at least Rs 70 crore to begin operations with three short-haul turbo prop aircraft in the first year, and an investment of at least Rs 15 crore per aircraft thereafter.*

“I have the required domain expertise and operational capabilities but certainly not the financial muscle,” Umesh said, adding, "Hence the talks with my large customers of charter aircraft for equity investment."*

Umesh said his airline needs deep pockets to pump in funds, given the long gestation involved in breaking even. He said he had informed most customers of his charter aircraft service about his stake sale plan. According to Umesh, once a deal is through his stake in the airline will reduce to about 30 per cent while Teja's will be about 15 per cent.*

Turbo Megha will be the second regional airline from Hyderabad after Air Costa, which commenced operations in October last year. It has identified 18 Tier-II towns and cities in the South for operations. The airline is in talks with Brazilian aerospace company Embraer and French-Italian aircraft manufacturer ATR to enter into lease agreements for at least three aircraft by year-end.*

[aviator3233]

Got a call from air carnival for the interview....did anyone else get it ? does anyone know the procedure to their recruitment ?

Thanks

[avl998]

I got the mail too, there site has got pretty limited info though they plan to commence the operation in May 2015 but I doubt dat with the aop process and proving flights to take place. Nyways
Things to ponder on

Do they have sufficient funding to run an airline?
When is the first aircraft coming?
Status of the ops manuals and other manuals as well?
Have they got the noc to import the aircraft if they plan to?

[avl998]

well d interview depends on how serious dey are to start with the operations if dey wud be serious dey would have picked up d rated guys for sure.

[flymore787]

Are there type rated pilots still out there?
I thought all the KF ATR guys moved on.

[avl998]

I am not too sure i am quoting an info which i got in december 2014, 55 atr rated guys are still out there (not sure how many of them are still maintaining there ir rating current) .

[flymore787]

That's a significant number.
But dont forget, there are multiple airlines/regionals coming up with ATRs soon.
Maybe all of them are retained accordingly.

Obviously the fresher is not going to be used for proving flights. They should have some rated guys available for that.

The recruitment is probably for the future induction of aircraft's.

[aviator3233]

Any updates on tom's interview anyone ?? wat to prepare ?

[flymore787]

That's anyone's guess.

Two hours for the interview. Don't even know how many rounds they plan to conduct.

My guess would be, basics of flight. But it could be more of an aptitude or personal interview.

That's just my guess.

How many people from PPrune going there?

[Sunajs]

Update on Zexus. Then CEO W. Kurup of Zexus has quit Zexus to become CEO of ORIEL AVIATION.

Oriel is based in Delhi and headed by Mr Inder preet Singh. They have reportedly applied for an NOC.

Zexus in the meantime has left a trail of bad debt. It seems the Company was advertising for pilots and charging them an "advance fee" that was used as operating capital and for Director wages. In fact it was simply a pyramid scheme whereby pilots that eventually realised the charade got paid back by the money of "new" recruits.

[anurag.kotoky]

Did anybody apply to Zexus and lose money?

[Sunajs]

Quite a few did lose money. Their offices are now closed and last I heard there was an investigation in process. Kurup has denied everything as saying it was his eartswhile previous partners (kaushik) that perpetrated the indiscretion and that he (Kurup) had left the outfit and was now with Orient. The plot thickens.