Pay Rise - The Benchmark Is Set.

[rick.shaw]

So the dockers have won a 9.8% pay rise. Good on them. Almost twice the initial offer of 5% from their employers.

Personally, I think that is an appropriate percentage for our next pay rise on our basic pay. And no, not at the expense of any other random rumored trade off(92 hours, bases, housing etc). And company wide thanks CX - none of this splitting groups again.

Oh - and that pay rise? Effective from now thanks CX.......... No more delaying tactics. Any down track deal backdated to whenever the current deal expires.

[The Messiah]

Sounds great Rick I'm all for it, my only question is what is the move when they say no?

[cxorcist]

... and hence the need for the AOA.

[Arfur Dent]

Oh Yes! The. AOA will fix our needs...............

[crwkunt roll]

The precedent has been set with VA getting something like 30% over 3 years. I won't happy to settle for 9.8% after the salary abuse we've had for the past 15 years.

[AnAmusedReader]

But have the dockers won the right not to eat their sandwiches in the toilets?

[quadspeed]

The level of disconnect shown by some of our -supposed- pilots genuinly worries me.

We fly for Cathay Pacific Airways. We are 3 month contract pilots. We came here for cash, and we leave for cash. That's the gig; that's your COS.

There is nothing better going for the vast majority of us, , and they already know that.

If you want a payrise, quit and go get yourself one, but don't throw around words such as deserve, fair, demand and benchmark. That's not in their vocabulary, and frankly it dissapeared from ours when we signed the contract.

When enough leave our wages will go up. But don't hold your breath; there's entire nations of pilots willing to do our job for less. A lot less. All we need to do is train them at a replenishing rate, which despite the sheer stupidity of it we continue to do.

Talk with your feet. Didn't think so.

[goingdown]

Best post i've seen for the longest time!

[Baywatcher]

As we all know, people won't leave because they are handcuffed by the housing!

[Will IB Fayed]

Personally, I think that is an appropriate percentage for our next pay rise on our basic pay

So if you ran a company, would you base pay scales on whether your employees want one, or on market forces.....
You're dreaming.....

Like old mate says above, only people leaving will give us a decent pay raise.

[geh065]

I agree with Will. Now if all the whingers would please leave so the rest of us can get a pay rise that would be great. You never liked it here at CX and never will so do the rest of us a favor. Thanks.

[Yeager]

Nooooo way, Really?? are pilots staying with CX because of the housing scheme and not because its such an awesome, fun place to fly aeroplanes?? :p I've been fooling myself for that long.... :{

[Will IB Fayed]

Precisely. We need more ****heads like ^^^^ him to piss off.

[geh065]

Some of us do actually like flying planes for a living!!

[AnAmusedReader]

Are you for real Yeager?

Just housing? What about HKG tax rates? Who else pays 15.5% into a PF? Who else hasn't furloughed pilots? The last guys furloughed, and missed they are, were the FE's when we got rid of the old Tristars and Jumbos nearly 20 years ago. Aren't you trapped by seniority?

Why are you still here if it's such a sh!t hole to be working in. And don't tell me about HKG pollution 'cos it's your choice to stay living in it.

Tell us honestly, why are you still here?

You're not fooling us: just yourself.

Take out the hundred or so whingers on PPrune and that leave about 2,500 who don't whinge and many of them (I know 'cos I fly with them) are not so pi55ed off that they don't even bother to read PPrune.

[Baywatcher]

It's the best job around. Just get on with it or leave.

[I'mbatman]

Two things:

1.) We don't need people to leave to get raises. In 2010 the company made a ton of money and market forces...ie pissed off employees who were willing to work to rule were effective in getting the company to the table.

2.) People ARE leaving. I've personally moved up 22 spots on the list since December. That is 1% of movement in 4 months which is almost unheard of here. Considering our mandatory retirements based on age 65 for all of 2013 is only 11, people ARE leaving, or getting fired. Doesn't matter to me.

Next time you are in the mailroom, have a look around. Lots of red "R"s littering the boxes.

Last time I saw that many "R"s was right before the company arbitrarily gave out raises that WEF 01/2008.

[White None]

Deep Breath -- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAaaaa.....
And Again----- HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOooo....

But I'm staying because yes it is (one of) the best job(s) around and for the record, personally I'm not "Handcuffed to the housing" I chose to take the extra shedload of cash, does that make no sense? (Apologies to those who don't have it, I wish you did.) Suspect it's primarily 'the based' who use the handcuffed phrase? The grass is always greener guys. Not having the choice, (HKG vs Base) anymore, I'll maintain a chipper demeanour by accepting the Up of the allowance/Tax etc vs the better lifestyle elsewhere, until the glorious day when we are offered basings again ... Deep Breath -- HAHa.....etc

[PatObrien]

In the words of the great Huey Lewis,

"I'm takin' what they're givin' 'cause I'm workin' for a livin'"

cue music..........

[Maid Day]

In relation to the topic, does anybody know what the recruitment department of Jetstar HK are offering for TC/Capt/FO for this start up venture? A reliable source says 3000 applicants! But yet to hear of any figures or conditions. The salary being offered is not being advertised, as recruitment are speaking (not via email) prior to interview. Hard to believe there are 3000 applicants with access to an employment visa via spouse, etc, or with resident status. Perhaps they are finding a way around this.

[Pucka]

There are a heap of jobs out there..ones that don't ligature your self respect..ones that leave you in the most part to fly as you were trained..but they may not pay the coin..in the end..you have to decide whether its worth flying that Otter in PNG or the 777 for some sheik in the smaller Emirates..either way, if you stay, button the lip.Its your choice to be in HKG..if you can't handle it, ...and forget the AOA..man up or sod off..easy street decision.

[White None]

Borderline poetic my friend:-

..man up or sod off...

Never seen it put better, may have to use that an irritating number of times :D

[ron burgandy]

Emirates just announced no profit share.

[crwkunt roll]

In relation to the topic, does anybody know what the recruitment department of Jetstar HK are offering for TC/Capt/FO for this start up venture? A reliable source says 3000 applicants!
COS have been posted a couple of times in the relevant thread.

[Brown Nose]

Man up or sodoff?

So you advice is to "pucker" up and take it with a smile on your face?

[quadspeed]

So you advice is to "pucker" up and take it with a smile on your face?

that's exactly what he is saying. Be a man about it. This is not, and never has been, the mom and pop shop down the street.

You're playing with grown-ups now and you've signed a contract. They put the cash into your account every month, and you take whatever gets them off with a smile. Freedom is never more than 3 months away.

But as a wiser man than me wrote.....freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose.

[ron burgandy]

Cathay Pacific to Pay NZ$4.56M Fine in Air Cargo Price-Fixing Case - WSJ.com (http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20130422-701787.html)

[ASH1111]

Why, oh why, for the love of all that is right and Holy in the world, can people not figure out the difference between "lose" and "loose" AAARRRGGGHHHHH

[boocs]

Sounds like you are about to loose the plot Ash!!

;)

b.

[quadspeed]

Keep in mind most of us barely have a high school diploma. Then again, making small houses big and big houses small isn't exactly rocket surgery.

[White None]

I think it's possibly because sometimes the intended "Lose" becomes a "Loose" or even a "Lo..ooooh aaah ooze" as we pucker up and take it?

[airplaneridesrfun]

pathetic views, mainly posted by managers to lower the expectations of most. 30% is not even close over 3 years. Needs to be a minimum 50% for this job to be viable anymore. In addition, massive increases in non salary items will be required such as displacement pay, rigs, proper leave credit credit, crewing of flights ( ie two captains, and two FO's for JFK, ORD, YYZ, LHR), defining of seniority issues in detail, and also the addition of another printer in dispatch for the 2700+ employees who use them. Why work in Hong Kong when you can go home and work for more bling - aviation, or not!

[quadspeed]

Why work in Hong Kong when you can go home and work for more bling - aviation, or not!

That's the very question your managers are asking. Our problem is the answer.

[ASH1111]

I say we start a collection fund for a new printer in Dispatch. Sorry dEspatch.

I'm in for 100 Honkies.

Serious Cathay, times are not that tough.