Procedures

[fearor]

A couple of short questions where I can't find a reliable source for:

According to JAR-OPS EU-OPS

1)For example approach named RNAV (GPS) Rwy 04:
Is GPS equipment mandatory to fly the approach legally? What equipment do you need legally?

2)Mapt according to my book:
-can be a point of intersection of the glide path with the applicable DA
-navigational facility
-fix
-specific distance from the FAF
Can it be a "radar point"?

[rudderrudderrat]

Hi
Is GPS equipment mandatory to fly the approach legally? What equipment do you need legally?
My company SOPs say we need GPS Primary.
But according to Jeppesen:
http://jeppesen.com/download/aopa/dec00aopa1.pdf it seems you could do it with an FMS system provided its position is updated to RNP 0.3 (DME/DME)

[FE Hoppy]

Its called EASA these days not JAR or EU-ops. However you're looking for a document called AMC20-26 and another called AMC20-27.

[BOAC]

FEH/anyone - do you have an idiot's guide to EASA publications relevant to pilots? Have the JAR/EU Operational documents been superceded yet - eg 'EUOPS 1'?

EDIT: It's not easy! This looks like a start:
http://easa.europa.eu/agency-measures/docs/agency-decisions/2012/2012-018-R/Annex%20to%20ED%20Decision%202012-018-R.pdf

[hvogt]

FEH/anyone - do you have an idiot's guide to EASA publications relevant to pilots?Not sure what level of idiocy you're looking for, BOAC. I, for my part, have bookmarked their Flight Standards website (http://www.easa.europa.eu/flightstandards/) and downloaded this chart (http://www.easa.europa.eu/regulations/docs/rulemaking_regulations_structure.pdf) that illustrates the structure of the new regulations.

[BOAC]

Well, hv, this idiot did all that some weeks ago, and a pretty little chart it is too. Where however, is the Flight and Duty times pdf buried? There is no search function on the FltStds section, and they seem to have completely forgotten that html pages can carry links. Since none of the items on the pretty picture actually link to anything, I am also left looking for definitions of:
Part -ARA
Part -ORA
Part -ARO
Part -ORO
Part -CAT
Part -SPA

I'm take it you know where these definitions are, and how I find all the relevant docs - I just do not have the time to trawl the website looking for them. It really is unecessarily difficult.

I am getting that sinking feeling about EASA just like EUOPS. Ar least CAP371 was easy to find and read. I pity any airline Ops department trying to prepare for it. Was there not an easier way to index it all?

One last question for the cognoscente - when is it all/or parts effective? When does EUOPS-1 fade into the plethora of EASA publications?

[FE Hoppy]

EASA Flight Standards: Regulation on Air Operations - Structure (http://easa.europa.eu/flightstandards/air_ops_struct.html)

EASA Flight Standards: Regulation on Aircrew - Structure (http://easa.europa.eu/flightstandards/aircrew_struct.html)

The structure tab shows the full names.

It's bloody awful and clearly not fit for purpose as the end users i.e flight crew cannot navigate the mess.

[aterpster]

rudderrat:

My company SOPs say we need GPS Primary.
But according to Jeppesen:
http://jeppesen.com/download/aopa/dec00aopa1.pdf it seems you could do it with an FMS system provided its position is updated to RNP 0.3 (DME/DME)

That article was written a long time ago. When he wrote it the FAA did allow DME/DME for RNAV IAPs. They found out the hard way that was not a good idea so it has been GPS only for quite a few years now.

[hvogt]

I'm take it you know where these definitions are, and how I find all the relevant docs - I just do not have the time to trawl the website looking for them. It really is unecessarily difficult.Very difficult, indeed, and I must admit I'm still at sea myself, although things are gradually becoming clearer. What helps me a lot is the cross-reference table (http://easa.europa.eu/flightstandards/doc/Cross%20reference%20table_version02.xlsx). It's hidden on the Flight Standards site under 'Progress'/'Air operations'/'Cross reference table'.

As for those websites without a search function, I would simply use Google and limit the search to the relevant site. Entering "site:URL" after the search terms tells Google to do so.

[BOAC]

Thanks both - good know this idiot is possibly part of a larger asylum:)

[Permafrost_ATPL]

Welcome to the asylum :)

Only yesterday I tried to figure out where the current RVR requirements are for various Low Vis operations. Our company manuals have recently been amended so I thought I'd check the source. Well the 2008 EU OPS Subpart E has the old data and the new 2012 EASA Subpart E is paper thin and lists no RVR requirements. So right now I have no idea where it's is coming from :ugh:

[FE Hoppy]

http://easa.europa.eu/agency-measures/docs/agency-decisions/2012/2012-019-R/Annex%20to%20ED%20Decision%202012-019-R.pdf

Subpart E

;-)

All the info is in the AMC these days.

[Permafrost_ATPL]

Thanks a lot FE hoppy, I was starting to lose my mind!

Slowly starting to find my way around the new structure. Very intuitive:{

[Natstrackalpha]

Would it be possible to sue EASA for cerebral damage.

I`ve tried protesting, not one tit of a response.

maybe there is a fourteen page complaint sheet in blue . . .

they even say there is this brand new complaints procedure, bit like having a potty for emergencies . . . .

nothing actually, happens, but the s:mad:t goes into one place and stays there - champion.

Ni balpa, nor cabinet have responded.

[BOAC]

maybe there is a fourteen page complaint sheet in blue . . . - yes, but you would have to find it on the website first........................:).

[MarkerInbound]

I believe many civil US airports still offer ASR approaches on request. (The last PAR I saw was at an east coast USN field in the '90s. I think most have been decommissioned.) An ASR is not a published procedure.

There are very few civil ASRs left. The AFD lists two in Texas, one in Washington, none in NY, seven in Mich, etc. The military still has ASRs and PARs at many of their bases. They'll keep them as they are easy to set up at a forward base and so there is a need to practice at home.

I'm not sure what you mean, "not a published procedure." While NACA prints the miniums as a table and not a separate chart in their publications, Jepp does print ASR and PAR pages.