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nick14
10th Apr 2013, 14:21
I'm tearing my hair out,:confused:

Does anyone have the reference for the rule that states that pilot training for licences and type ratings must be conducted through an ATO?

Thanks

ifitaintboeing
10th Apr 2013, 14:49
FCL.210 for the PPL:

Applicants for a BPL, SPL or PPL shall complete a training course at an ATO. The course shall include theoretical knowledge and flight instruction appropriate to the privileges given.


FCL.725 for class and type ratings:

(a) Training course. An applicant for a class or type rating shall complete a training course at an ATO.

ifitaint...

Edited to add 'and type'!

Curtis E Carr
10th Apr 2013, 14:54
From Commission Regulation (EU) No 1178/2011:

FCL.115 LAPL — Training course

Applicants for an LAPL shall complete a training course within an ATO. The course shall include theoretical knowledge and flight instruction appropriate to the privileges given.

FCL.210 Training course

Applicants for a BPL, SPL or PPL shall complete a training course at an ATO. The course shall include theoretical knowledge and flight instruction appropriate to the privileges given.

FCL.315 CPL — Training course

An applicant for a CPL shall have completed theoretical knowledge instruction and flight instruction at an ATO, in accordance with Appendix 3 to this Part.

FCL.410.A MPL — Training course and theoretical knowledge examinations

(a) Course. An applicant for an MPL shall have completed a training course of theoretical knowledge and flight instruction at an ATO in accordance with Appendix 5 to this Part.

FCL.515 ATPL — Training course and theoretical knowledge examinations

(a) Course. Applicants for an ATPL shall have completed a training course at an ATO. The course shall be either an integrated training course or a modular course, in accordance with Appendix 3 to this Part.

FCL.615 IR — Theoretical knowledge and flight instruction

(a) Course. Applicants for an IR shall have received a course of theoretical knowledge and flight instruction at an ATO. The course shall be: etc

FCL.725 Requirements for the issue of class and type ratings

(a) Training course. An applicant for a class or type rating shall complete a training course at an ATO. The type rating training course shall include the mandatory training elements for the relevant type as defined in the operational suitability data established in accordance with Part-21.

nick14
10th Apr 2013, 15:14
Thanks chaps,

I did also find a reference in the basic regulation article 7.

my_call
18th Apr 2013, 14:53
This (http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=620&pagetype=70&gid=2134&faqid=1312) summarises it quite nicely

How will the new rules affect Registered Facilities (PPL training)?

There is no provision for Registered Facilities (for PPL training) in the new European regulations. Under the new rules all training for the grant of all Part-FCL licences and ratings must be provided by an Approved Training Organisation. This will include training for glider and balloon licences. The Part-ORA sections of the “Aircrew Regulation” define a set of requirements for all ATOs, and then additional requirements to be complied with by organisations providing training for commercial licences, type ratings, etc.

Under the EU regulations, training organisations and Registered Facilities that have their principal place of business in an EASA Member State must apply to (or have their approval transferred to) the National Aviation Authority of that State. Any school that has its principal place of business outside the EU will have its approval issued and administered by EASA.

The EU regulations include a transition period in that Registered Facilities that are registered before the implementation of Part-ORA may continue training for the PPL under their existing arrangements up to 8th April 2015. For Registered Facilities with their Principal Place of Business within the UK, the implementation date of Part-ORA is 17th September 2012. For Registered Facilities registered to a Member State but having the Principal Place of Business outside the EU, the implementation date of Part-ORA is 8th April 2012. Any new training facility set up after these dates must become an Approved Training Organisation before commencing any training.

Any flying training school that is located outside the EU was transferred to EASA’s oversight in April 2012. These schools should obtain advice from EASA concerning transition arrangements.

nick14
19th Apr 2013, 12:28
Well according to the CAA approvals section there is no need for an ATO approval for MCC courses despite what part-FCL states?

BillieBob
19th Apr 2013, 16:14
What? The UK CAA doesn't understand the requirements (or has chosen to ignore them)? Shock, horror, who would have thought such a thing possible?