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JDA2012
30th Mar 2013, 10:58
Hi all - some time after first posting here, I recently started, and then soon after finished, my PPL(A) at Air Navigation & Trading at Blackpool Airport. I would like to post both to express my gratitude to ANT and my instructor Russell Whyham, and to provide information and encouragement that a short-term, full-time PPL is possible in the UK even with the appalling weather we've had lately - 22 days end-to-end would have been quite possible had the weather held up for my planned test date. This obviously required some effort on my part, but would not have been possible without hard work and extensive support from ANT.

I did have a small head start of a 1-hour C172 AEF from Flight Academy Blackpool, taken last September, took a Class 1 medical last June (£428 with two additional tests) and paid £6495 up-front for a package covering 45 hours of flying, 45 landings at Blackpool, lesson briefings, all ground exams, R/T practical, skills test fee, APM Vol. 1 (Thom), CB-5 knee board, AME log book, C150 Pilot's Guide & Check List. I had 50 minutes of flying time left over on completion, which ANT kindly offset against the extra landing fees accrued (115 landings in total), leaving further payments of £249 for these and £191 for the licence issue.

I also received an NM-2 ruler, PP-1 protractor, Pooleys Spiral Flight Guide 2013 and Mile High Flare sunglasses as Christmas / birthday gifts from family/friends and spent £399 to purchase APM volumes 2/3/4/6/7, CRP-5W computer, CAA half-mil Ed. 35 Northern chart, Jeppesen Student Kit Bag, Sennheiser HME 110 & Pooleys headset bag from Proviation. Away landing fees came to £73 and finally I spent about £565 in diesel travelling between Manchester and Blackpool - a trip of 45-90 minutes dependent on traffic, ~2100 miles driven in total.

Training / course costs - £6817
End-to-end costs (with medical, kit, licence fee) - £7839
With diesel for car totals - £8404

Before selecting ANT I visited many FTOs in NW England (ANT, Westair, Lomac, Ravenair, Flight Academy Blackpool, Liverpool Flying School, Flintshire Flying School, Merseyflight, LAC, Manchester Flight Training) and investigated another few without visiting (York Flying School, Multiflight, Fly Blackpool).

I chose ANT due to their long history (est. 1947), competitive pricing, long opening hours, excellent onsite maintenance standard (trained in a very well-kept Cessna 150 Aerobat), comfortable building, Blackpool airport facilities (tarmac runways, ATC), convenient transport and critically that they offered upfront to attempt a 45-hour 3-week PPL provided that I would put in the required effort. I also learned after starting that it was a friendly family-run business, an additional bonus. Needless to say, I am very happy with my choice and cannot recommend them strongly enough.

A breakdown of my progress follows:

Day 1 (Sat 2nd March) - 3 flights, 3h35m, 3 TO&L, ground ex. 1-2/5 and air ex. 4/6-9
Day 2 (Sun 3rd March) - 3 flights, 3h, 3 TO&L, revision of ex. 1-9, intro to ex. 10, flight over my house and workplace
Day 3 (Mon 4th March) - 1 flight, 1h15m, 1 TO&L, ex. 10-11
Day 4 (Tue 5th March) - 1 flight, 40m, 4 TO&L, ex. 12-13, Air Law / Ops exam passed (83%)
Day 5 (Wed 6th March) - no flying, Met exam passed (75%)
Day 6 (Thu 7th March) - 1 flight, 50m, 4 TO&L, ex. 12-13
Day 7 (Fri 8th March) - 1 flight, 1h5m, 6 TO&L, ex. 12-13, R/T exam passed (93%)
Day 8 (Sat 9th March) - 2 flights, 2h20m, 16 TO&L, ex. 12-13
Day 9 (Sun 10th March) - 1 flight, 45m, 3 TO&L, ex. 12-13 + 2 flights, 40m, 2TO&L, ex. 18 in a PA-28 to/from Woodvale
Day 10 (Mon 11th March) - 2 flights, 2h, 2 TO&L, ex. 15-17
Day 11 (Tue 12th March) - 2 flights, 2h25m, 18 TO&L (10 at Warton), ex. 12-13, Human Factors exam passed (100%)
Day 12 (Wed 13th March) - 3 flights, 2h25m, 19 TO&L (10 at Warton), ex. 12-14, first solo completed
Day 13 (Thu 14th March) - 2 flights, 3h40m, 2 TO&L, ex. 18
Day 14 (Fri 15th March) - 3 flights, 3h, 3 TO&L (1 at Hawarden, 1 at Caernarfon), ex. 18, dual nav + 1 flight 1h, ex. 18, 1TO&L, solo local, 25h dual completed
Day 15 (Sat 16th March) - 1 flight, 1h10m, ex. 19, 1 TO&L + 1 flight, 1h5m, 1TO&L, ex. 18, solo local
Day 16 (Sun 17th March) - 1 flight, 20m, 1 TO&L, ex. 18 + 1 flight, 1h15m, 1TO&L, ex. 18, solo local, Nav exam passed (80%)
Day 17 (Mon 18th March) - no flying
Day 18 (Tue 19th March) - 2 flights, 2h40m, 2 TO&L, ex. 18, solo locals
Day 19 (Wed 20th March) - 3 flights, 2h40m, 3 TO&L (1 at Hawarden, 1 at Caernarfon), solo QXC completed
Day 20 (Thu 21st March) - 1 flight, 1h20m, 1 TO&L, ex. 18, solo local, 10h solo completed, Aircraft General / Flight Principles exam passed (92%)
Day 21 (Fri 22nd March) - no flying, R/T practical passed at Fly Blackpool, Flight Performance exam passed (90%)
Day 22 (Sat 23rd March) - no flying
Day 23 (Sun 24th March) - no flying
Day 24 (Mon 25th March) - no flying, back at work
Day 25 (Tue 26th March) - no flying, back at work
Day 26 (Wed 27th March) - no flying, back at work
Day 27 (Thu 28th March) - 2 flights, 3h35m, 10 TO&L (7 at Warton), revision of ex. 10-13/15-18
Day 28 (Fri 29th March) - 1 flight, 2h5m, 7 TO&L, skills test passed, 45h total completed

Special thanks to:
Russell, Grace and James Whyham at Air Navigation & Trading - Air Navigation & Trading Ltd. Blackpool - Flying Lessons at Blackpool Airport (http://airnav.co.uk)

Thanks also to:
Nick Ross at Proviation - >> Proviation Pilot Shop - Leading Flight Equipment, Pilot Supplies, Aircraft Equipment, Aviation Headsets (http://www.proviationshop.co.uk)
Ray Sheldon - my examiner and top chap
Fly Blackpool - Fly Blackpool - Trial flight lessons at Blackpool Airport (http://www.flybpl.com)
Blackpool Airport - Blackpool Airport | Official website of Blackpool international (http://www.blackpoolinternational.com)
Caernarfon Airport - Caernarfon Airport Homepage (http://www.caernarfonairport.com)
Hawarden Airport - Welcome to Chester Hawarden Airport (http://www.chesterairport.co.uk)
BAE Warton - http://www.baesystems.com/location/BAES_020240/warton
RAF Woodvale - RAF Woodvale - RAF Station Homepage (http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafwoodvale)

TriBeCa
30th Mar 2013, 11:40
Interesting reading. And congratulations. :D:D
ANT is a wonderful place and rightly deserves the good reputation it holds.

shanvy
30th Mar 2013, 12:37
Congratulations, that's some achievement, even more remarkable given the weather we've had recently.

I passed my PPL last summer at A.N.T. and my night rating there a couple of months ago. You are right, it is a great, family business. Very friendly, helpful and professional. There's always someone to chat to in the club and because they are also a maintenance company the aircraft are always in top condition. I can't recommend them highly enough

Steve6443
30th Mar 2013, 13:41
Well done on this and great of you to have posted the info but this post still breaks the most critical rule of learning to fly:

never pay up front, regardless of how reputable the school is.....

AviatorRodent
30th Mar 2013, 13:46
I second Steve6443, but that's based on my own experiences.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a massive achievement, well done, congratulations and thanks for sharing!

piperboy84
30th Mar 2013, 14:11
Congrats, that is impressive and shows it can be done in those time frames, there also a fountain of info in your post for the aspiring PPL

Again, well done

Kevin31
30th Mar 2013, 14:32
Hi

Big Congratulations great job well done.

Thanks for sharing your experience and brilliant write up.

Im currently 26 hours into my PPL but feel Im falling behind on theory. Done my Air Law but struggling with MET. Please can you give any tips on how you study for all the exams?

Help be appreciated thanks.

Kev

AviatorRodent
30th Mar 2013, 14:54
PPL Confuser is a great help, also the PPL Exam Secrets Guides EASA PPL Exam Secrets Guides (http://shop.pilotwarehouse.co.uk/product19670023.html)

Mickey Kaye
30th Mar 2013, 18:49
Well done

and in March as well very impressive

Mickey

airpolice
30th Mar 2013, 21:51
Well done, and thanks for sharing in such detail. That's the kind of post that many a student will benefit from reading.

JDA2012
2nd Apr 2013, 20:48
Thank you all for the kind words. All ready for the summer weather now, should it ever arrive - certainly glad to have the licence out of the way. I really enjoyed my time at ANT, and hope to return soon for more sitting about even if not flying until the next payday. I fear they may be somewhat overshadowed by flashier companies, but if you do the research they clearly stand out, and the reception on arrival only confirms this.

I did read not to pay up front, but went ahead anyway as the school has been there 66 years, I was doing the entire course in very short order and there was a considerable saving to be had by doing so. Still, I accept that this sort of thing may be viewed as an unacceptable risk by some.

For each of the exams, I read the relevant book during my free time (i.e. all the time not in the air - at ANT during the day and at home at night) in the order noted, then went through all of the exercises at the back as I finished it. Any questions I got wrong I noted, then re-read the relevant sections and re-tried the missed questions. Once I had got all questions right at least once I sat the exams. Practical experience also helped in many cases - particularly for the Nav and R/T exams. I have heard various things about the Confuser but did not use this.

As you can see, my Met score was the absolute minimum to pass - with only 20 questions there is little allowance for mistakes or knowledge gaps. Getting the exam out of the way early also helped in that it was one of the tougher ones, but the learning curve was very steep at that point (I was very uncomfortable in the aircraft for the first two days, and not really happy until day 11). All I can advise is to learn the material and test yourself until you are happy you know it - it is there to keep you safe as well as to pass the exam and I am very mindful of that myself.

Best of luck to all aspiring pilots - just keep at it, I never thought I'd get it done even ten days in, yet another ten later I was both ready for the exam and loving every minute of it :ok:

Croqueteer
3rd Apr 2013, 08:10
:)Steve is right, but if you have to pay up front, then ANT is the one to do it with.

Mike Echo
3rd Apr 2013, 13:51
Started my PPL with ANT way back in 1969 and always found them a very friendly and professionally run Club. I seem to remember my first flight was with Keith Whyham and his mother Dorothy helped with tea. Really nice people and the aircraft were always well kept by Chris Whyham. They always seemed to be overshadowed for some reason by Westair.
Nice memories of Chipmunk aerobatics over Southport sands and no way of missing the airfield with the Tower nearby!

Good to hear they are still giving the same service.

M.E.

riverrock83
3rd Apr 2013, 16:18
Congratulations!
I've also just passed my PPL Skills test (on Monday 1st) although I did it in a considerably more leisurely fashion over 2 1/2years (!) and 66 hours which included 3 quite different types of plane (Bolkow Junior, PA-28, SA Bulldog). I hope the extra experience will help me in the long term. A fair number of my hours were "revision" and checking my currency although I've also done an intro to aerobatics, taken off from grass and sat beside others as they few to fly-ins. I've also helped fly 50 hour checks and assisted an LAA inspector with maintenance.

Looks like you got the same score as me on MET...
Kevin - As someone mentioned before, the Exam Secrets Practice PPL exams make some of the exams very easy - but only use them once you have already studied the material fully - and make sure you know why you got wrong answers.

Just looking forward now to that envelope arriving in the post in a few weeks!

Jackson-Pollox
7th Apr 2013, 12:14
I think waiting for the license in the post will be considerably longer than the course itself.

Great achievement! :D

stickandrudderman
7th Apr 2013, 14:57
Great achievement, great write-up, well done.:D

never pay up front though!

JUST-local
11th Apr 2013, 13:01
JDA2012 Well done!

A fantastic achievement and excellent write up :D

Jackson-Pollox
4th Jun 2013, 15:03
Cant believe this thread has not had more views :eek:

thing
4th Jun 2013, 21:54
:D:D:D:D Well done that man.

sundaypilot24
5th Jun 2013, 11:56
Congratulations JDA2012.
I renewed my PPL at ANT in 2004. It was and, from the sound of it, still is a great family based flying club. My instructor, Phil Williams, was excellent although I expect he has moved on by now. My examiner was the similarly excellent Ray Sheldon.
All the best to Grace and Russell. I'm very cheered to hear that you are still there.
I would still be flying there myself if a job move had not forced me to leave.

LowNSlow
5th Jun 2013, 12:40
Congratulations on a great achievement JDA2012 :D:D

ANT sounds great, pity there aren't more like it.

Kapish
6th Jul 2013, 11:58
Well done, congrats.

Gulfstream757
6th Jul 2013, 18:57
Major congrats, great reading for a new student pilot.:ok:

Leftofcentre2009
7th Jul 2013, 15:13
Hi & Congrats
Can i ask how long it took for the CAA to process your licence application?

JDA2012
7th Jul 2013, 15:21
About as long as the course! Posted 30th March, came back 23rd April, so 24 days. That seems about typical; two chaps that qualified shortly before and after my course received theirs after about three weeks also.

Whopity
8th Jul 2013, 07:57
Firstly congratulations on a notable achievement. Under the new EASA rules, the Examiner is now responsible for ensuring that the candidate meets all the requirements for licence issue before he conducts the skill test:FCL.1030 Conduct of skill tests, proficiency checks and assessments of competence
(a) When conducting skill tests, proficiency checks and assessments of competence, examiners shall:

(2) verify that the applicant complies with all the qualification, training and experience requirements in this Part for the issue, revalidation or renewal of the licence, rating or certificate for which the skill test, proficiency check or assessment of competence is taken;
That means you now need 45 hours before you are eligible to commence the skill test; something few examiners are aware of. Lets hope the CAA don't notice!

shortstripper
8th Jul 2013, 10:00
Plus diesel for car - £8404 ??????

I hope that's a typing mistake! :eek: Well done on the PPL :D

SS

JDA2012
28th Jul 2013, 12:39
SS - that's the total including the £595 diesel. Original post modified slightly to clarify.

Whopity - an interesting area! Obviously I'm biased, and the intent may differ, but that is not what it says in plain English. FCL.1030 (a) uses the wording "when conducting". If they meant to state that 45h should be completed before the test, they should have used "whilst conducting", or indeed "before commencing" as they use "after completion" in FCL.1030 (b).

As the skills test covers an extended period, "when" in this context implies "at any point during the conduct of the test". It does appear to preclude completing the test before you have 45h, but as I hit that point 50m before the end of the test this is no problem.

The application form of course contains a declaration by the examiner to the effect that the experience requirment of FCL.1030 has been met, but this is filled in after the test, hence again no problem.

The CAA did not seem to have any issue with it when the logbook was sent in anyway :ok:

AberdeenAngus
28th Jul 2013, 16:11
I see many posts warning against paying up front for obvious reasons.
However, surely you would be protected if using a credit card, or a Visa debit card.

glencoeian
28th Jul 2013, 17:19
good reading, congratulations I wish I was in your shoes !! 25 hours in a year and a half so far for me - close call on Met exam :-)

JDA2012
30th Jul 2013, 16:16
Hi Aaron - last minute advice indeed! This is going to sound very basic but just make sure you can practice what you've been taught and try to stay relaxed; my skills test was about the most relaxed flight I'd had up to that point, but then again to say I was tense at the start of the course would be a massive understatement. It did help to know that the aircraft was capable of a lot more than I needed from it also - 45 degree turns are nothing to worry about when you've experienced 90 degrees (which I expect is nothing once you start going upside down:E).

You will know if you are ready - obviously you've done your solo QXC and the 10 hours required so you can handle the aircraft, just a matter of making sure you know the drills, particularly PFL/EFATO. The worst bit for me was the various types of landings at the end, but after you pass remember that you can then just fly to where you're going and land once, no more circuits :D Going through drills sat at home works well, and make sure you have any paperwork you need where you can get to it (in your kneeboard).

Believe in yourself and good luck!

10002level
2nd Aug 2013, 09:08
Well done. This takes me back to 1982 when I completed my PPL at ANT on an Air Cadets Flying Scholarship. Four weeks in a B&B at Blackpool and 39 hours for the issue of a PPL. I loved every minute of it and it was an excellent start to my career in aviation. Back then it was Keith Whyham who was running the school, with the Instructors being primarily Bill Robinson and Ian Sixsmith, who I later worked for when he was the CFI at MSF. Great times and I still remember looking down on Blackpool Tower out of the window of the Cessna 152 on my first solo and realising that I was actually on my own in an aeroplane. It is something never to be forgotten, even after 12,000 hours or so flying.

You are now entering into a world that many dream of being, but few actually achieve. Every time you taxi out and see people watching from the the side of the fence, remember that they too would like to be where you are sitting. Never stop learning and always take on board good advice: it is the only thing in aviation that actually costs nothing. Enjoy your flying and keep safe.

chillindan
10th Jun 2014, 21:17
Inspirational thread, thanks for taking the time to post all of the details of your training. I'm 17.5hrs into my NPPL(M) in a Eurostar after 3.5 months. Loving every minute of it and cant wait to be able to go flying when ever I want (or when my wallet allows) with my girlfriend, kids, mum, whoever will come with me! Its a dream that has been 33 years in the making for me....

Bluebear1872
16th Jun 2014, 11:21
Well done in passing, great achievement. When I commenced my PPL in 2000, I paid up front on my credit card. In 2001 the flying school went bust, but as I had paid by credit card I never lost any money, and was given a cheque to finish off my PPL at another establishment.